So how does Sup Forums feel about Americans who identify by their ethnicity/ancestry (German, Irish, Italian, Reptilian, etc)?
Do you have any preferences to how they should identify themselves? Do you prefer them to identify as, for example, German despite not being born and raised in Germany? Or something like Irish-American instead? Or just "American."
Because the latter just simply isn't accurate, and makes absolutely no sense in the context of North American demographics. Also, what dressing should I put on my salad?
it does when they are entirely non-majority or born in a different country
imagine filipino-american why is that inaccurate? his experience is certainly not just american
James Bell
I find it embarassing and I feel isulted by the "cultural appropiation" of "German"-Americans. For me its a sheer mockery
Alexander White
Americans are Americans saying they're "German" or "Italian" or "Swedish" is fucking retarded Like what if an actual German comes to you? Do you just say "oh I'm German too :DD" that's fucking retarded you're Americans and that's it
Carson Harris
>Americans are Americans That just isn't physically, historically, nor demographically correct.
Jose Garcia
it makes sense and is appropriate if you're a first or second generation immigrant. as in, if you or your parents were born in, say, germany.
but if your family's been living in the 'states for 200 years and you still go on about 'muh heritage' it's just sad. if american english is the only language your parents spoke and you've never left tennessee or ohio then no, you are not german-american or filipino-american or anything. you're just an american, maybe with a caucasian or east asian ancestry. take the 'black' people of america for example: most of them are more white or latino than west african at this point. we wuz kangs is total bullshit and the muh heritage thing some of the white americans have going on is no different.
Elijah Kelly
You realize there was huge amounts of german speaking, german acting populations in the american mid west until you went autistic in WWI
Jack Jenkins
(American as in Unitedstatesian but nobody says that) no, that's exactly what you are and what the rest of the world thinks of you You're American You're not Swedish, Norwegian, German, Irish. Go to any of those countries and you will not be treated as anything else other than an American. Because that's all you are, an American. You were born and raised and lived all your life in your America, you're an American. Before you start whining about the differences between states or demographs every single country has regional variation as well. Variaton that is far bigger than in the US since we actually have thousands of years of history between regions. Spanish people say they're Spanish and not Basque, Fennoswedes say they're Finnish etc. etc. Americans are Americans and nothing more
Camden Wilson
They arent german anymore. Stop pretending to be something you arent. We dont see you as German
>inb4 but m-muh german blood D:
Ian Gutierrez
This
No, your society is just fucking retarded, and your stupid identity politics don't mean anything outside of your borders.
Brody Wood
>DFC >pointy tits mah dick
Levi Powell
I definitely agree, but "muh appropriation" is simply inaccurate
Evan Mitchell
olive oil + balsamic vinegar
Oliver Davis
The type of "American" you're speaking of simply doesn't exist because no demographic or ethnic group (except maybe for the natives) has any way to claim such. The amount of people living and born here is too varied and vast for "American" to be an actual thing aside from nationality. It just isn't possible (yet). :/
Henry Cox
>"I'm like 1/4 German, 1/8 French, 1/8 Romanian and 1/2 Irish! Haha, wrap your head around that, haha!"
Angel Richardson
I couldn't finish that webm. I'm going to vomit.
Jonathan Cox
>muh genetics and ancestry Nigga from video related is 100% polish man, despite the fact his parents were born in diferent country. He was born in Poland, grew up in polish culture and speaks perfect polish. He is 100 times more true pole than an american who's parents left Poland and go to USA and he "identify" himself as pole. youtube.com/watch?v=CVqe2AKHpcc
Juan Campbell
But he's not ethnically a Pole, though.
Matthew Hughes
like that means anything in this time and age anyway
Nathan Long
>The amount of people living and born here is too varied and vast for "American" to be an actual thing aside from nationality Nationality is all you are though. I already told you the regional variation in other countries exists as well and is even bigger than in the US and yet you still use that as an excuse. India probably has the most diversity in the world yet they're still all Indian, call themselves and identify as Indians. Same thing with the Chinese and Russians It's only the US that is so fucking retarded with this concept. You're all Americans, you have zero relation to the country your ancestors came from hunders of years ago It's honestly a bit insulting to, for example, claim you're "Finnish" when you know nothing about Finnish culture, people, history etc.
Parker Ross
>"Oh my god, yeah, you can definitely tell that my family is of German ancestry. We all love beer, we eat sausage and make Krauskefarben like our Oma, haha! I even speak some German: Wiiehlst du miiisch kuss-en? That means 'do you wanna kiss me', haha!"
Lincoln Anderson
>Nigga from video related is 100% polish man >despite the fact his parents were born in diferent country Contradiction.
>He was born in Poland, grew up in polish culture and speaks perfect polish. So he's culturally Polish. But not actually Polish.
Parker Torres
your homeland is where your genetic roots are, not where you were born
Austin Kelly
>Nationality is all you are though. But there's no ethnic or ancestral Americans (except natives).
>I already told you the regional variation in other countries exists Regions, yes. But they still belong under the same family and ancestry. Natural born Americans aren't capable of that.
>is even bigger than in the US and yet you still use that as an excuse. Then those countries wouldn't count.
Lucas Ortiz
embarassing, then again no one claims Belgian ancestry so I don't really care
Carson Gutierrez
The guy's babyface is really throwing me off.
John Brown
He can talk with an ethnic pole in polish without any problems and he is fully ingrained in polish society in culture. And culture is more than just language and food.
Joshua Diaz
Identifying as Russian will get you lynched in America, so I don't care. I don't understand what is wrong with identifying as simply American, though.
Asher Gonzalez
>But he's not ethnically a Pole There is nothing like pure polish. Poland used to be multicultural superpower for several centuries and since fucking middle ages to nowadays we use law of war in case of nationality
Brody Bailey
But he's still not an ancestral or ethnic Pole. So identifying as one doesn't make much sense outside of national and cultural contexts.
Tyler Diaz
>There is nothing like pure polish. But you still have distinct Polish ancestry and ethnicity embedded in you.
Hunter Turner
It's pretty stupid when they can't speak the language, can't even pronounce their surname properly and they know nothing about the homeland of their ancestors other than a few bits of information. And let's not forget that most are more mixed than a bag of mixed nuts.
He's saying you are solely part of the American nationality since there is no American ethnicity.
Jonathan Young
THIS Calling yourself another nationality (''''''''''''''''''''''''''''ethnicity'''''''''''''''''''''''''''') when you weren't born and have never ever been there is retarded. We give a fuck if you're brown, white, yellow or black, or that 200 generations ago your family came from other continent, you're a fucking American and that's it!1!1!1!11!!11!!
Grayson Murphy
>Poland 1050 recorded history >Russia even more if counting Kievan Rus' >Own languages >Own we wuz may mays
>America 2017 - 1776 = 240 >Language of former ruler >no unique culture
Now you understand? What does it even mean that someone is american?
Julian Evans
I think the issue arises from a linguistic mixing of the cultural and ethnic notion of German. Some people will claim that you're not German if you're culturally German but ethnically not. Same for being ethnically German but culturally something else. In the end it's easier to specify what kind of German you mean than to have this autistic discussion every day.
Charles Nelson
He lives his entire life in Poland and identify himself as Pole. He is equally polish to me. Genetics don't matter.
>tfw american >tfw family of german immigrants from two-hundred years ago >tfw family still practiced german culture and traditions >tfw speak german since childhood >tfw have traits only people from germany click with, but americans find strange >tfw still don't count apparently
Then again, we're ethnic Bavarian, so maybe it's best not to be associated.
Caleb Peterson
Yeah, but he's still not ethically nor ancestrally Polish. Which is what Americans used to identify themselves: ancestry, ethnicity, or race -- since there are no American versions of those unless you're red skinned. He's only culturally and nationally Polish, which is something simply not possible in North America right now.
Aiden Perez
Such butthurt, looks like someone got deported.
Wyatt Morgan
she's a pornstar lmao
David Morris
Yes it is, in fact you can only be an American by culture (>>>) and nationality, but not ethnicity.
Brody Barnes
There's no American culture here because there are too many here that conflict with another (which keeps making the news in the 2010s).
>but not ethnicity Which is what Americans use to identify by.
Oliver Lopez
>Bavarian literally Serbs in denial, not even shitposting
Ethan Young
That's cool and all, but these days Americans have a distinct identity and culture. One that they are very proud of. So I don't get where these 'muh heritage' people come from.
Joshua Phillips
stfu little Russia
Tyler Turner
>serbs explain
Oliver Reed
>What is white Serbia?
Aaron Johnson
Ethnicity means fuck all. It's the culture that matters.
Parker Edwards
And the race/ethnicity belonging to that culture. Culture is just the predictions and habits of that ethnic group. That's what it means to have culture.
Jacob Walker
Culture is more than that seeI think ethnicity or genrtics arent even listed there
Landon Edwards
>I am American: the post that makes absolutely no sense. A person born in Finland is not Finnish if their ancestors haven't lived here for +200 years? A dude with dark skin will never be Polish even if he was born and raised there?
ethnicity has no relation to culture at all.
Michael White
Yeah, and it's an overbloated and inaccurate explanation. A culture is just a series characteristics and predictable features exhibited by a distinct group of people. Whether we're talking ethnicity, ancestry, nationality, history, gender, subgroups, demographics, &c. If it's a regular thing associated with a group of people, that's culture.
>A person born in Finland is not Finnish if their ancestors haven't lived here for +200 years? A dude with dark skin will never be Polish even if he was born and raised there? Not ethnically.
>ethnicity has no relation to culture at all. Ethnicity is one of the main defining dimensions of a culture. Most cultures are bound together through their ethnic heritage.
Gabriel Brown
That's how it usually works, though.
Landon Sanders
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Oliver Bell
Who gives a fuck?
Obviously your Nationality comes first but that doesn't mean your ethnic heritage means nothing
Jace Perry
I can understand if they're fairly recent immigrants, otherwise it seems silly to hyphenate unless they're "ethnic"
Eli Brown
but your ethnicity or skin color doesn't in any way determine the way you act or think or speak, which is pretty much all culture is.
>Most cultures are bound together through their ethnic heritage yeah, but that's only statistics. geographical coincidence. these things change constantly, even if slowly
does it? I know many Finns who were born abroad or had foreign parents but I've never met a Finn who was raised in or lived for decades in another country
Adam Diaz
>I know many Finns who were born abroad or had foreign parents It's just assimilated immigrants
>but I've never met a Finn who was raised in or lived for decades in another country There are no Finns in Sweden or in immigrant communities worldwide?
Nathan Foster
>but your ethnicity or skin color doesn't in any way determine the way you act or think or speak, which is pretty much all culture is. Aside from mild genetic influences, ethnicity doesn't determine behavior. But cultures are still connected by the ethnicity they inherit. It's historical coincidence, but it's still prevalent enough to continue and create social norms and characteristics distinct or associative to that ethnicity and regional natives.
>yeah, but that's only statistics. geographical coincidence. these things change constantly, even if slowly But many things still remain the same. Many traditions still keep running that are seldom found in other cultures and ethnic groups. And many habits and characteristics still pop either repeatedly or within what you can normally expect from that group.
William Brown
>what dressing should I put on my salad? Some veggie oil.
Sebastian Sanchez
>So how does Sup Forums feel about Americans Gas them all to be honest
Dominic Lee
It would irritate me less if you weren't just doing what ever was fashionable.
In the 60s and 70s a good chunk of your muh heritage was for England, but that fell out of fashion and you stopped. It loses any sort of integrity it might of have when you think your entire gene pool can change over a few years.
Blake Howard
I fucking hate them and they should be shot for being so ignorant as to identify with a culture that they have never truly experienced.
Connor Davis
I have some relatives who have moved abroad years ago. one moved to america in his teens maybe 30 years ago. He still speaks good Finnish and knows the culture and all but I still don't consider him "one of us". He acts like an american, his mannerisms and way of speech is american, he dresses like an american...
and on the other hand many of the kids i went to school with had immigrant roots. but all of them acted and seemed like nothing but Finns. To me they were all more Finnish than that relative of mine who now lives in america. I honestly can't see how anyone could disagree.
but doesn't that mean that a person born in American could never be a true German or Irish or Japanese or whatever? they don't share the traditions or the homogenous ethnicity of the people around them. Americans can't be anything but Americans is what you're saying, no?
Lincoln Campbell
Think it's pretty stupid and you sound like the living embodiment of the "Muh Ancestors" meme.
If you can actually speak german, and live a german type lifestyle and only max 3rd generation sure, but other than that. No, you're American.
Carson Cook
>tfw Dutch-Canadian >both parents moved to Canada in the 1970s >spent summers in NL >routinely go there to see family >have strong cultural ties >speak fluent Dutch as well as English >have 100% Dutch background for at least 200 years >come on Sup Forums >get mocked for having some association with my heritage
Fuck you guys
Isaiah Richardson
whannnhh whannann
hey uhm
hey uhm
uh int can I be uropean?
Kevin Nguyen
its all about the 'oppressed' cultures nowadays, hence why the Irish aren't treat like shit and people leap through hoops to claim any sort of green blood, even if they're surname is Cromwell. Same for the scottish, or 'scaddish'. case in point: youtube.com/watch?v=29UMACdfyZw
Charles Parker
Depends.
If the people have maintained the culture of their ancestors, then they have a perfectly natural right to claim their ancestral heritage. I'm 60% Irish myself and don't really give a shit about my heritage, but my mom and her entire half of the family are 100% Irish, her father still has the fucking accent even. They're fucking Irish.
A better question would be to ask "When does someone lose their ancestral heritage and when do they assimilate into their local heritage?"
It's not when they get off the plane. You're still Irish when you step off the plane. You're still Irish when you buy a house. You're still Irish when you fuck someone and have a kid. And if you raise that kid Irish, which is what you are, why the fuck shouldn't the kid be able to identify himself as such?
And now that I've actually gotten the logic portion out of the way, let me a go a little farther and say this: You yuropoors are a bunch of complete fucking pussies, the only reason you even care in the first place is that you're insecure babies about big daddy America being so much better than you in every way that you feel compelled to whine and bitch about it. Practically the same tier as the worst of the SJW that won't stop bitching uselessly about cultural appropriation.
Why don't you just suck it up and be proud that some of us even still give a fuck about you.
Chase Carter
>Americans can't be anything but Americans is what you're saying, no? No because "American" isn't a thing since there's no group distinct group to take that mantle and define the entire country with. Maybe as a nationality, but not as an ethnicity as in other European countries. And people in American identify through ethnicity, not nationality. Simply because there's no American ethnicity possible for the next hundreds of years.
Landon Davis
It's silly, and all it does is polarize the population further. You're not a melting pot, you're like water and oil, not mixing.
In Australia you're Australian approx. two hours after you've moved in.
Luis Howard
there's a difference you fucking retard, they're talking about new world mutts who don't even speak the language or have the culture of the country they're claiming heritage from
Easton Fisher
Its different when you're supposedly "white" and you know your family has only been here long enough to turn from wheat farmers into masters of faggots like you.
Oliver Walker
Sup Forums is fond of Civic Nationalism.
To them a German is Ahmed Turkoglu the Kebab salesman from Munich
Juan Ortiz
>>inb4 but m-muh german blood D:
Isn't that a quote from your Fuhrer?
David Gray
But Europeans don't identify themselves with ethnicity, maybe with the exception of a small vocal minority you'll find browsing Sup Forums. It's the culture that matters: the way one acts and speaks and so on. And Americans already have a strong culture of their own. There's the small talk thing for one that's very American. Just compare American television with British, there's a difference.
I just don't see how ethnicity (skin color, genealogy, ancestry, so on) have anything to do with this.
Gavin Adams
>an american who's parents left Poland and go to USA and he "identify" himself as pole.
But isn't the american-born pole who identifies as Pole, also culturally polish?
Aaron Lopez
Firstly, fuck int.
You're all sandniggers, gooks, bitches, skanks, niggers, etc until you prove otherwise.
A German is something that according to Amerifaggots, gassed jews, killed russian peasants, etc I lost interest.
Chase Walker
If he identifies as German and speaks German flawlessly then sure. But most Turks don't.
Eli Perez
The reason you don't see us as German is the same reason we don't see you as human.
Jackson Perry
Most turks are born in Germany though. So they're german according to your retarded standards.
Hitler would have gassed you
Camden Wood
you just see them as food
Cameron Johnson
>If he identifies as German and speaks German flawlessly then sure.
Germany has dialects that are not intelligible with standard german, so are they not germans either?
Heil Hitler mother fucker
Samuel Sanchez
Well you did bomb the shit out of Hamburg.
Luke Gomez
hitler would've gassed new world fucks like you, you're not german at all
Andrew Hall
Cry a river before you respon.d
Jose Powell
do you live in the hamilton region?
Jackson Smith
You know that we have a "joke"(probably reality) here that says that americans are so retarded and ignorant about anything outside their state that they believe that hitler is still alive and kicking? It doesnt seem really that off the more I interact with americans.
Gabriel Scott
Hitler decorated Henry Ford with the Grand Cross of the German eagle
Jack Adams
It is irrelevant
If I can see you are white then I know you are ethnically European. Whether the country was England or France or Russia or whatever is IRRELEVANT
Austin Russell
Shit banter, work on it
Oliver Baker
Dude Hitler was the only bright spot in your cringe-worthy history.
Owen Cook
How would you know? You don't know anything about history outside your own little pond.
Eli James
>writes like a redditor >speaks like a Sup Forumstard Yep, you're a mutt.
Anthony Smith
only to a non-European
James Robinson
>How would you know? You don't know anything about history outside your own little pond.
Are you implying that America isn't the world's dominant super power and that you're not speaking english right now and enjoying American technologies because you don't suck America's dick?