What would this part of the world be like if the US never existed?

What would this part of the world be like if the US never existed?

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LO- hey wait a minute

We would lost our most populous country.

Colonized by China and Japan

It would be British

Why are Americans always opening threads about South America?

Cuz CHI.

Very likely, also the french presence would be higher

A futuristic utopia.

Fuck the French. Don't you dare even mention their pathetic nation in my presence again, is that clear?

because South America is one big plaything for America. We enjoy fucking around with their governments and shit just to see what happens.

But would they be better off, as in no mind boggling poverty and africa tier corruption?

If we wiped out their natives like we did in NA then yes

but would you be 1st world by now if we didn't do any of that shit? would your politicians be less corrupt?

Habana, Cuba

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Of course, and also 120% white.

A nation? On the other side of a certain channel perhaps?

But there are no amerindians in Argentina for example. They are Italian and white. And the country is literally run by the football mafia.

Prosperous and autonomous.

damn, so sorry

Yeah so it's basically Italy. Imagine if it were filled with actual humans.

98% of them died due to diseases. The only reason they didn't got wiped out in Mesoamerica and The Andes like they were in the US, Canada, Brazil, the Caribbean, Argentina or Uruguay, is because of the sheer number of them. Tenochtitlan was as big as Constantinople, if not bigger, unlike the nomadic tribes you had to deal with.

As you can see, nomadic tribes got wiped out everywhere in the Americas thanks to illnesses, not just the Anglo ones.

Surely there must be some material explanation for the relative underdevelopment of South America other than "muh injuns"

Yeah, your country's insatiable desire for drugs

Damn so you're calling them unprosperous?
Why not just call them a bunch of peasant beaners you racist bitch.

The world itself wouldn't be what you see today: Science, Technology, Engineering, Health Care, Economics(Absolute shit!); and the rest Space travel, internet, mobile phones, Nukes weapons, death, malnutrition, lack of drinking water, overpopulation, countless diseases and viruses, ecological damage, genocide, extinction, stupidity....... i could go on

CHI

Yeah sure that made the whole SA continent poor and africa tier corrupt (except maybe Chile and Uruguay).

It would be worse, Africa is the way it is because of European imperialism. South/Central America would be less than Africa tier since Asia would also get in on the fucking. We've protected them from that for over 300 years.

Kek. They're a shithole.
Thanks to you

>We've protected them from that for over 300 years.
Nigger, you even helped France blockading our ports a number of times, not counting the times you invaded + the dictators and coups.

Not just them, right. Every shithole in the world is a shithole thanks to us.

No, you actually fucked them good with all the cups and shit

Not every. But close

They'd be the US instead.

Perú would try their best!

Not him but why do you guys always bring up dictators and coups if you know damned well you wouldn't be much better off now if there were no dictators or coups. That's my question in the OP actually

that's right. and without us, they all would be 1st world right?

I thought Peru already tried their best?

where is "love"

Peru hasn't the gaucho power


m.youtube.com/watch?v=njntSJMvOFg

Much worse off
Despite the memes, Latin America is actually much better than most of the planet right now
American presence in the new world has prevented any old world countries from destroying us
If it wasn't for America, NZ would be under tyrannical Japanese rule

In the case of Mexico it was way before the commie shit, dickhead. Porfirio Díaz and Victoriano Huerta, between 1876-1913. And no, we weren't better because of them. Nobody asked you to intervene either, in any country, so you can fuck right off defending your interventionism cancer.

triggered

American ignorance never ceases to amaze me, and despite that, you can't keep your mouths shut.

Japan would have made Latin America safer and more developed. Justlook what Japan did to Taiwan and South Korea.

I doubt it. You would still have Canada, Australia and UK backing you up.

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so it goes like this
>your intervention! your coups! hurr durr
>ok ok sorry that was bad, total disaster
>now answer me, would you be better off now if we didn't do any of those horrible things? would you be less poor and not as corrupt?
>but your intervention! your coups! hurr durr
can go in circles forever never giving a straight answer

We would have been a thousand times better without Porfirio and Huerta. What are you rambling about?

The real answer is that we don't know.

TRIPS DON'T LIE
You should have let Japan colonize NZ
Right now we are being colonized by savage cruel chinks, please change history and never put the oil embargo on Japan

We could have had a Japanese empire that spans Southeast asia, Australia, NZ, and West coast of south america
It would have been GLORIOUS!

UK got BTFO by Japan in the Pacific theatre
They took all the British colonies in Southeast Asia without a sweat
You Americans severely overrate the Brits in WW2

Australia would have put up a great fight like they did in WW2, but their population would have been overwhelmed in the end

Do you think President AMLO is going to ally with the Chinese and the Russians when WW3 breaks out?

But the Brits abandoned them as soon as they could. There is a reason Australia sees us and sometimes Canadians as a more dependable ally.

True but why does a simple question trigger them so hard?

My ignorance is much more than most.

Tell me about mexican food.

Why is it so tasty? Also why do your women love me so much?

I like New Zealand and Australia a lot. They're good countries with pleasant accents.

I will never forgive the US for propping up Trujillo and deposing Juan Bosch, our first democratically elected president.

Fucking gringos only support freedom when it suits them.

Thanks man, I like Americans and their accents too
Americans are the most civil and friendly tourists in NZ

CHI

Sorry this is not a thread about condemning the american aggression. I admit we holocausted
everyone and it was a total disaster. The question is, would any of their (yours too?) cunts be 1st world now if we never interfered with them. If so, what would be their path to prosperity, year by year.

South America would be shit regardless because we founded colonies to extract resources, not build self-sustaining societies. Independence was just about local crillios wanting resources for themselves and besides we were bankrupt and in ruins from Napoleonic Wars so we had no interest in holding onto our colonies.

The continent was plaything for British and French in XIX century as much or even more than US. I'm not saying all of US actions in 60s-70s were justified and there are times such as CIA removal of a moderate socialist government in Brazil that they went overboard, but most of people who complain about them are commies like Noam Chomsky. If they opposed US actions out of humanitarian reasons, then it would be fine (and some of regimes like Argentine military government did very nasty things in 1970s). However, guys like Chomsky don't care about people killed in Dirty War, they really just dislike that US prevented commie takeover of South American cunts. There could have been 4-5 Cubas down there if Russians had their way.

It's one thing to oppose US installation of dictators in Southern Cone on principle, it's quite another to oppose them simply because said dictator wasn't your guy (note that Cuba is totalitarian shithole, but leftists worship it). This happens in Spain as well. Commies bitch about how terrible Franco was yet if they had their way we'd have had a clone of Stalin's Russia here.

It's like every time I go to a mexican restaraunt I get extra girl spit in my salsa, and the food is better than the plebs get.

CHI

We'll never know but it certainly didn't help.

But countries can change. They can reform or do a complete rehaul like China.

I'm not Mexican you tards. I also don't live here.

China is still a totalitarian shithole though.

They'd probably still be a part of the empires that once owned them.

Latin America has WAAAAAY higher living standards than chinks

>our

Why do you identify as Mexican if you live in America?

>American education

See

user pls stop talking.

Please no, AMLO will fuck things up horribly. We would second Venezuela.

user please kill yourself.

Better

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemala_syphilis_experiment

Thanks mate. Your post is almost too good for this degenerate board. Then why do Mexicans always blame us for their miseries, going as far back as 200 years ago?? I mean they have many reasons to hate us, but still they probably wouldn't have been much better off now had those events never happened.

Hell yeah, gotext confirms American education is preferable to alternatives.

>It's one thing to oppose US installation of dictators in Southern Cone on principle, it's quite another to oppose them simply because said dictator wasn't your guy

I don't know why people forget about the coups in Central America.

>APOLOGIZE
> In October 2010, the U.S. formally apologized to Guatemala
I said I was sorry

Big important and powerful countries always get blamed for everything bad that happens. US, Britain, Germany, Russia, etc.

La raza cosmica would ascend and herald a new golden age for all mankind.

Be honest his post just confirms your prior opinions. The Soviets being dicks does not excuse American interventionism. I can guarantee that Mexico would be much better off, as would most of Latin America if the US didn't orchestrate coups against democratically elected governments. The US has left a legacy of stunted democracies in the region.

As an example I'm Dominican. The US forced us to give them 90% of our tariff revenues until the 1940s, depriving us of money needed to build infrastructure,

Americans are fucking evil

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Canada#Project_MKULTRA

They even did that to their own citizens. So what can you expect?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment

Evil is live spelled backwards.

Its a hint that we're trying to keep you alive. For what purposes most of us must have forgot by now.

its not so simple, stupid fatfuck
its not the same to ask if usa didnt intervene, than to ask if usa didnt exist
either ways, things would ahve been bette rprobably, because youre a filthy cancer. it is a certainty that allowing yuro colonialism to continue in the 20th century would have been a net good for humanity. that doesnt mean every country was weak enough to become colonies again... shitxico maybe, but many south american countries no in fact uk attemtped to annex argentina and got btfo

on the other hand, its also a certainty that a non intervening usa would have allowed at least central america to become a tranquil place like costa rica is, witha boooming tourism sector based on the maya riviera.

nonetheless, while usa sticked its greasy fatfuck fingers in evry latin american cunt, (effectively confirming that youre a piece of shit in every scenario possible), that doesnt mean some shitholes here didnt became so ebcause of their own faults. in conclusion,its complex, stfu

Yuro colonialism was a cancer you retard
NZ exploded in living standards and economic growth once we were independent

Don't call him names sheep fucker

Amy Schumer is fucking disgusting.

One day in a corrupt to the core Mexico. Our fault I am sure
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So you are the anti-US panamanian everybody talks about! (?)

This doesn't excuse it you fucking tard.

Probably similar, but it would have been someone else taking advantage of their weakness.

Wealthy and democratic

>stupid fatfuck
triggered. point proven. you can't even have a civilized discussion. how is it not simple? very simple. so my guess about your cunts was right

kek I know. That whole bunch but the doggo to be absolutely honest

I can imagine three scenarios:

>Central America would have been colonized by the british while Spain and Portugal would fight for territories from Colombia to Patagonia.

>The british just go directly to Japan or the Russian far east and just make trading ports or tries to impose colonies. This scenary is unlikely because the resources for a simple voyage like that would have been massive and it wasn't like they didn't know how big Earth was, they just didn't know if there was any land left to explore and colonize.

>don't call him names
really. did you read his post? he is so triggered his ass is on fire lmao

>muh Monroe Doctrine

Mexico fought off France without your "protection". The DR fought off Spain. We didn't need you to "protect" us.

excuse what my butthurt dominican friend?