Raidniggers moving to LV

>Raidniggers moving to LV
>2 teams in LA

So long faggots. California is officially ours

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Fuck off commie

>NFL team in Vegas
The way the League did San Diego is bad enough, if this happens I'll have to switch to watching college memeball.

49ers are a meme in the bay now. It goes Warriors, Giants *power gap* Sharks, 9ers, A's

>the way the league did San Diego
they did nothing, the city of San Diego and it's residents refused to vote in favor of tax money going towards fixing Qualcomm

the same shit happened with the Rams

We are talking about football you retard. 49ers are silicon valley property now not Bay area

Why should they vote to fix it again?

because the place is a shithole? the stadium is falling apart and outdated.

you want a team and place to host live events? pay to update it

Raiders will still be the more popular team

SF is forever a SF thing

no one outside of it gives a shit

nothing bad about a vegas team

the market is bigger than 6 or 7 other marktes in the league already

after reading up on this whole debacle I come to terms with a vegas team especially because California is bleeding money and vegas is a fast growing city

>let's give the city that never sleeps, allows public drinking, and always busy a team with the rowdiest fanbases...what could possibly go wrong?

>they did nothing,
Except, you know, promise the Chargers the $175 million they needed to finalize a new stadium deal and then reneg at the last minute.

>the city of San Diego and it's residents refused to vote in favor of tax money going towards fixing Qualcomm
They refused to vote in favor of MORE tax money going towards a new stadium, the city had already agreed to pony up a big chunk of change.

up until 96 LA was literally the same down to public drinking

the fanbase grew tenfold and the team did well until the nignogs got rowdy and the earthquake nearly crippled the city for years to come

>They refused to vote in favor of MORE tax money going towards a new stadium
the tax money was coming from hotel taxes not the people of SD or the people in the county of SD

SD declined what LV accepted and might get a NFL team because of it

>nothing bad about a vegas team
Actually a Vegas team will be catastrophic for the sport. Once the casinos are in bed with the League, we'll never be rid of them. See: what happened to Serie A, only on a much larger scale.

What does this have to do with what I said?

>49ers are silicon valley property now not Bay area

where is silicon valley located?

49ers are not just a SF thing you dumbass the stadium is in Santa Clara. Once the Raiders are all of NorCal will be 49ers territory and since Socal doesn't have a team anymore they will be Niner fans

>Actually a Vegas team will be catastrophic for the sport.
complete speculation

30 years ago Vegas was the gambling center in the United States

20 years ago it was still the center but small casinos popped up around the states like pimples

10 years ago Vegas is still the center but now it has more neighbors in California , Arizona and around the states again

Now , Casinos are almost in everywhere from Washington to New York

Small cities like buffalo , new york to grand rapids , michigan.

Yes I understand many of these places aren't as big as vegas but gambling is no longer the issue for all major 4 leagues here

NBA is even considering sticking a team in vegas if the NHL team works out

they said the same thing in the 80s when raiders moved and the fanbase in oakland still grew

I live in san jose , oakland is closer to santa clara than SF , those rich executives don't even go out to watch the games
ninersnation.com/2016/10/25/13407656/santa-clara-city-council-49ers-declining-attendance-levis-stadium

the niners decided to move far from their own city because they were too cheap to land a spot a little 10 miles north

>complete speculation
You meant to say "historical fact." EVERY time sport has become entangled with vice interests, sport has suffered. EVERY time, without fail. Boxing, baseball, soccer, doesn't matter. Entangling it with the wealthiest sports league on the planet will produce the most spectacular failure to date.

>Yes I understand many of these places aren't as big as vegas but gambling is no longer the issue for all major 4 leagues here
Small gambling venues aren't the problem, it's the clout and power of the industry and it's largest firms that's the issue.

>NBA is even considering sticking a team in vegas if the NHL team works out
They'll pay the price as well.

>since Socal doesn't have a team anymore they will be Niner fans
alternatively they will just be fans of one of the two teams in LA

I think he's referring to the fact that the 9ers play in Santa Clara, which is 40 miles away from SF and practically not even in the area anymore.

Also Santa Clara is home to some big name tech companies.

>EVERY time sport has become entangled with vice interests
sports are still entangled with vice interest

but you can't provide a single fact that a vegas team will be detrimental to the leagues that are willing to test the market because it has never happened before

I could say a toronto football team would be devastating to buffalo and detroit and the league because of financial reasons but is it true? all speculation

>irrelevant puck over anything

gr8 b8

You cant be a fan of an LA team and not live in LA. LA has a very secluded proud culture that you cant just bandwagon.

>sports are still entangled with vice interest
The NFL isn't in any significant way.

>but you can't provide a single fact that a vegas team will be detrimental to the leagues that are willing to test the market
The fact that anything the gambling industry gets its hands into it owns is immutable.

>because it has never happened before
Serie A, Black Sox, countless instances in combat sports, etc...

>I could say a toronto football team would be devastating to buffalo and detroit and the league because of financial reasons but is it true? all speculation
A Toronto team wouldn't undermine the fundamental competitiveness of the League as a matter of course.

>$(ERS faggot using "niggers" as an insult while this shitbag is on his team's payroll

dude are you joking? ive lived in the bay area my entire life. the 49ers are WAY more popular than the raiders

you're a dope

Warriors (biggest bandwagon i have ever seen)
49ers
Giants
Raiders
BIG GAP
A's
MASSIVE GAP
Sharks

and this is as someone who is a 49ers/a's fan

>The NFL isn't in any significant way.
I would take a knee to that all day everyday

Aint nothing wrong with smart conscious blacks like kaep. Fuck those retarded rowdy Raidniggers living in shithole Oakland

how is the NFL not entangled when they focused on some half black fuck taking a knee for half the season , still try to force london games down our throats and to europes , the whole pink cancer awareness program until recently , LA , etc

the league is not innocent from anything

>black sox and european football
One happened in 1919 and another is completely different sport in a completely different league

not very great example you have there

>how is the NFL not entangled when they focused on some half black fuck taking a knee for half the season
The League didn't focus on it at all, they tried to downplay and ignore it. Also, what the fuck does this have to do with the gambling industry?

>still try to force london games down our throats and to europes , the whole pink cancer awareness program until recently , LA , etc
What the fuck does any of this have to do with gambling?

>One happened in 1919 and another is completely different sport in a completely different league
>"lol no wun rememba dat. lol no wun gaf bout no socca."
You wanna be willfully ignorant, that's on you. Just remember that you were warned that no sport has survived a run in with large-scale gambling (organized or otherwise) unscathed.

>EVERY time sport has become entangled with vice interests
>those not vice interest
>gambling is the only vice interest


Again you have absolutely no proof that a vegas team would harm the league anymore than it already harmed itself with the whole LA fiasco

You are claiming gambling is going to destroy football but so far hasn't placed a dent on the sport in over 100 years

what are you getting at here? Do you think vegas is still ran by big guy mafia bosses that control congress and sports

>tfw your alma mater does not have a football team

>those not vice interest
They aren't...

>gambling is the only vice interest
It is the one in question.

>Again you have absolutely no proof that a vegas team would harm the league anymore than it already harmed itself with the whole LA fiasco
I've provided a unanimous historical record worth of a proof, you simply choose to pretend it doesn't exist.

>You are claiming gambling is going to destroy football but so far hasn't placed a dent on the sport in over 100 years
Because past League admins aggressively avoided getting involved with it, for good reason.

>what are you getting at here? Do you think vegas is still ran by big guy mafia bosses that control congress and sports
Do you think it isn't? It isn't run by the mafia any more, but the people pulling the strings today are as corrupt and powerful as they've ever been. Have you ever even set foot in Vegas?

yeah almost everyone has an (((indian casino))) near by now now need to make a pilgrimage to LV or atlantic city if you want to gamble

quads of verity

That's wrong. St Louis approved like $400 million for a new stadium.

And giving welfare to billionaires makes you retarded. Plain and simple.

The Heat are the biggest bandwagon team in NBA history. That's not even debatable.

>And giving welfare to billionaires makes you retarded. Plain and simple.

Nigga, do you not understand how much stadiums cost? Only a handful of NFL owners have enough money that they could afford to build one entirely on their own.

Nigger, do you not understand how finance works? You don't need a fucking penny from the public. If you want to build a stadium you borrow money from a bank and pay it back with revenues, not fucking tax dollars. Nobody, not even Korenke pays cash for stadium construction you utter fucking moron.

I have no idea how money works: the post

YOU clearly don't understand how finances work.

>getting a ~$1 billion loan for a stadium when your net worth is $2 billion
>being able to pay off the interest on a $1 billion loan while making less than $50 million a year

I have no idea how money works: the post

Man I live in SF and I still see more Raider gear than 49ers gear. You go to the east bay and it's all Raiders. 49ers fan base has disappeared lately but even when they were Good I still saw more Raiders fans in the bay area. You must be from the shit hole that is the south bay

And yet that's exactly what has happened for a bunch of stadiums you fucking retard and is exactly what the Raiders are doing right now.

You really need to just kill yourself. The fact that you think public financing for private profit on stadiums is both necessary and the right thing to do makes you unworthy of continuing to exist.

This is also measurably false in terms of actual fandom. Historically (i.e. since the Raiders came back in 1995), the 49ers have commanded a notably bigger market share in terms of viewership, attendance, season ticket waits, merchandising (within the Bay Area) etc. That's what happens when you have a market all to yourself for 13 seasons.

>smart conscious blacks like kaep
> smart conscious blacks
>like kaep.

This isn't a home loan. It's based on revenue projections.

You should give Goldman Sachs and Mark Davis a call because they obviously disagree.

Yes the 49ers are a huge fair weather team I am aware of this. Now that the 49ers are terrible the stadium is empty while even when the raiders were 0-10 a few seasons ago they were still selling out games. I think that is a better measure of "actual fandom"

banks have always loaned nfl owners for stadium renovations and construction

I mean right now stan is paying off the stadium through his own pocket , revenue from the concessions in LA and eventually from the new stadium when it gets rented out for NCAA and conventions

Mark Davis is doing the exact same thing for vegas`

Stan is borrowing about $1 billion for the Inglewood stadium.

What are you talking about dude? You do realize that the Raiders had been blacked out on TV in the Bay Area for the better part of the past decade because the stadium was never sold out right? And that the 49ers are on TV every week because they have been sold out since, like, 1982?

I realize that now the 49ers god-awful stadium is half empty because the team sucks and so this "sellout" number is kinda bullshit. But the fact is that even when the 49ers and Raiders sucked (i.e 2003-2010), Candlestick would still sell out and the 49ers were way more popular than the Raiders.

And no, I'm not in the South Bay, I'm in the East Bay.

Although let's be fair, the Bay Area is probably the biggest bandwagon area in the country. Warriors gear went from almost non existent pre-2014 to seeing it on every other person

> selling out
Not even close to selling out and they were routinely blacked out from tv because attendance wasn't high enough.

Try being more blatantly wrong next time.

>Man I live in SF

Must be nice being rich

But sports betting is illegal in all those casinos

Niner "fans" going to games and drinking chardonnay and eating sushi, while actually paying attention to maybe one series. Fucking faggots.

LA Raider fan here

That's because the Raiders aren't a Bay Area team. They never have been

I've got some bad news for you. Every single team is trying to replicate that model (Niners weren't even the first) to some degree. It doesn't matter if asses are in seats when there's more money to be made in clubs, lounges, bars, and on the concourses.

Welcome to the NFL.

>tfw 49ers and A's fan
>tfw I hate how Giants fans are so elitist and the terrible rich pompous atmosphere at AT&T park
>tfw the 49ers are the same way
>tfw hypocrite

>IMPLYING

thesportster.com/football/top-15-nfl-teams-with-the-most-fan-arrests/

>LA is like 90% raiders fans
>get 2 literally who teams no one cares about

nice one nfl

> start in Oakland
> win 2 of 3 titles in Oakland
> spend 43 of 57 years in Oakland
> was never an Oakland team

Okay cleetus.

>And yet that's exactly what has happened for a bunch of stadiums you fucking retard and is exactly what the Raiders are doing right now.
The Raiders are getting $750 million in public funding you fucking retard.

>You really need to just kill yourself. The fact that you think public financing for private profit on stadiums is both necessary and the right thing to do makes you unworthy of continuing to exist.
Do you get off on being incorrect, is that it?

Take a look at what kind of revenue you need to have to repay a fucking $1 billion loan.

Don't think they'd be taking that $750 million from tax payers if they disagreed.

Bro fuck off, nobody cares about handegg it suck

>banks have always loaned nfl owners for stadium renovations and construction
Yeah, but how long has it been since an owner and a bank were willing to build a stadium without any tax dollars?

>I mean right now stan is paying off the stadium through his own pocket , revenue from the concessions in LA and eventually from the new stadium when it gets rented out for NCAA and conventions
He's not just building a stadium, he's building an all-purpose facility with event space and commercial real estate. And he's only going to be able to pay for it because of the LA TV market.

>Mark Davis is doing the exact same thing for vegas
Nope, tax payers are covering 1/3 of the cost there.

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Maybe if they go 1-15 or 0-16.

A normal amount over the course of 30+ years.

They won't reject stupid people giving them free money when the alternative is worse.

> Yeah, but how long has it been since an owner and a bank were willing to build a stadium without any tax dollars?
Not long at all. Giants did it in SF, Warriors are doing it in SF, Giants/Jets did it with MetLife, Korenke is doing it in Inglewood.

> And he's only going to be able to pay for it because of the LA TV market.
This is completely wrong. The TV market doesn't matter at all in the NFL for team revenue because all contracts are national and none are local. Local tv market size and deals matter for MLB, NHL, and NBA because those are all primarily carried on regional networks. He's paying it back with revenue from the stadium as well as the payoff from the rest of the real estate development on the site.

> Nope, tax payers are covering 1/3 of the cost there.
He still got a loan guarantee for an amount that is substantially higher than his total net worth.

desu Jags and D-backs pulled it off pretty well with the pools

>A normal amount over the course of 30+ years.
$70+ million a year. lol, "normal amount."

>They won't reject stupid people giving them free money when the alternative is worse.
So, just so we're clear, you're retracting your claim that they disagree?

>Not long at all. Giants did it in SF,
First one in the MLB since Chavez Ravine in 1962, and they still got a small tax abatement and tons of infrastructure upgrades.

>Warriors are doing it in SF, Giants/Jets did it with MetLife,
Okay, but how are those models at all replicable?

>Korenke is doing it in Inglewood.
Because he and the other owners want to tap the LA TV market. And he's still getting abatements and tax breaks, and the costs to the city of stuff like providing emergency services is expected to outweight any economic gains that may be generated. Kroenke is also the 4th or 5th wealthiest owner in the League.

>This is completely wrong. The TV market doesn't matter at all in the NFL for team revenue
It is the largest source of team revenue you ignoramus.

>because all contracts are national and none are local. Local tv market size and deals matter for MLB, NHL, and NBA because those are all primarily carried on regional networks.
What the fuck do think happens to NFL TV money, that it just vanishes into thin air?

>He's paying it back with revenue from the stadium as well as the payoff from the rest of the real estate development on the site.
lol, it's not 1957, stadium revenue is fucking nothing. Even a unique venue like CoC isn't going to make enough to cover those massive interest payments.

>He still got a loan guarantee for an amount that is substantially higher than his total net worth.
Because he has other investors and the local government with him. You seriously think his money is the reason LVR is happening?

>all the players, coaches, and team executives are relatively rich
>"rich people can't appreciate football the way us poorfags do"

>Nope, tax payers are covering 1/3 of the cost there.
Vegas residents are not paying for the stadium

I live here the reason why we didn't protest like crazy is because the tax was agreed upon hotel and casino owners to tax the hotels

No one here is paying a cent just the tourist

>Nope, tax payers are covering 1/3 of the cost there.
>A bill to raise hotel taxes to fund an NFL stadium and a convention center expansion has crossed its first hurdle in the Nevada Legislature.
sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2016/10/11/nevada-state-senate-approves-hotel-tax-bill-for-vegas-stadium/
tax payers sure

tax payers from southern nevada
NO

t. new Bay Area resident

No faggot. The Sharks haven't won shit and constantly choke. They are the lowest. The Warriors are popular at the moment, but unless they into dynasty mode it will fade. The Niners and the Giants are the perennial faves.