Without using memes or logical fallacies, explain why Feminism should not be encouraged and upheld in modern society

Without using memes or logical fallacies, explain why Feminism should not be encouraged and upheld in modern society.

Why are you against women and men having the same basic rights and freedoms?

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a fucking leaf

Are you done shitposting yet?

I'm all for equality between the two genders.

That is why feminism is wrong.

FPBP

Feminism lies about many things, the most prominent lie being the wage gap. That has been debunked enough times so I won't go on about that. I don't think an ideology that brainwashes people with lies is acceptable in any society.

>Feminism
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Feminism leads to retarded things like this.
>you can't say hello to me on the streets, It would rape my personal space

kek

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>Why are you against women and men having the same basic rights and freedoms?

They already do, name one basic freedom or right a man has that a women doesn't

There is no need to have a ideology to campaign for something that already exists

Not a single argument.

Expected and typical.

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>BUT user THAT'S WHAT FEMINISM IS TRYING TO DO. WE'RE TRYING TO BREAK DOWN GENDER BARRIERS

how do you reply?

What rights do men have that women don't?

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>feminism is an anecdote from one person i disagree with

i'm a feminist and i know how the wage gap works.

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Alright, I'll see you in the women's shelter then after I say you brutalized and raped me.

There is nothing wrong with feminism.
There is a problem with anti-equality supporting females calling themselves "feminists".

Without using memes or logical fallacies, explain why Men's Rights should not be encouraged and upheld in modern society.

Why are you against women and men having the same basic rights and freedoms

If the definition of murder was changed to going for a stroll in the park i'd be all for it of course, its a no brainer why should somebody be locked up so harshly for something so utterly benign thats insane.

The definition of feminism has changed, what it means to be a feminist has changed, and feminists changed it.

I would tell them that I agree. Misandry is a big problem in the world

Well OP ?? We're waiting

statistically speaking that will never happen to you.

meanwhile the people you hate, some of them have already been raped. you're literally running from ghosts, most of which is just because people have been PURPOSEFULLY antagonizing your stupidass.

>Why are you against women and men having the same basic rights and freedoms?
I'm for that. Feminism is not. Therefore feminism should not be encouraged or upheld

> same basic rights and freedoms

They already have that.

Women actually have more.

Women have more rights in law than men do.

Why is it called feminism?

Women do have the same basic rights and freedoms. Thats the problem with raging feminists, they create problems their own problems and try to tear down anyone who points out their nonsense.

I'm not. Why does feminism harbor hateful views towards males? And what else do women not have access to that men do?
Riddle me this you fucking leaf.

IT'S ALWAYS A LEAF. EVERY. TIME.

Feminism isn't about equality.

Feminism claims they stand for equality, but saying something is not the same as doing it.

In reality, my experience with feminists is they are an anti-white-male hate group, who cowers behind the false claim of equality.

It's allot like religions who claim to promote peace and women's rights, while simultaneously preaching hate for atheists and shaming women for leaving the kitchen.

Saying you stand for something is vastly different from actually standing for it.

>statistically speaking that will never happen to you

Listen here, I once got my dick sucked without consent on what was supposed to be a little date to watch one of the Harry Potter movies.
I wanted to have a nice time and instead some girl decided to rape me and tarnish my status of being a good boy.

Now, if we want to remove gender barriers, I'd like to stay in the women's shelter please, since there aren't any men's shelters in my town.

>explain why Feminism should not be encouraged and upheld in modern society

Because it is a discriminating doctrine based around a small group gaining supremacy and suppressing another group based on factors that are outside a person's influence. It encourages hate and distrust, and set back our development as a species by decades.

If feminism = equality, why don't you just call it "equality"?

Because that's called egalitarianism, not feminism

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women and men are sexually dimorphic and hence have different strengths and weaknesses. women are literally biologically created to be homemakers, not breadwinners.

female hypergamy destroys the once simple societal arrangement of the sexes, where the husband works and the wife raises their offspring.

women in the workforce lowers the average salary for everyone, destabilizes families, and only benefits corporations.

you're describing capitalism.

rectum btfo

because feminism is feminine. it isn't female-exclusive, it's about breaking down the artificial masculine barriers of patriarchy.

FPBP

Without using memes or logical fallacies, explain why National Socialism should not be encouraged and upheld in modern society.

Why are you against having the country unify around a shared sense of identity?

>Without using memes or logical fallacies, explain why Feminism should not be encouraged and upheld in modern society.

The feminine is inferior.

>Why are you against women and men having the same basic rights and freedoms?

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Pub.L. 88–352, 78 Stat. 241, enacted July 2, 1964) is a landmark piece of civil rights legislation in the United States[5] that outlawed discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.[6] It ended unequal application of voter registration requirements and racial segregation in schools, at the workplace and by facilities that served the general public (known as "public accommodations").
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

Feminism hasn't been needed for the last 60 years.

Equality >>>>>>>>> femenism

>Why are you against women and men having the same basic rights and freedoms?

I'm not. Maybe you should clarify your question, Justin.

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Equality is unnatural.

Egalitarianism and feminism are both bullshit. They ignore or excuse and promote inferiority, respectively.

>Why are you against women and men having the same basic rights and freedoms?

Since women and men have had the same basic rights for decades now and anything that changes the current dynamic is NOT actually "helping women" but hindering men under false pretenses of women not being equal, I'd say feminism is a shit sandwich.

What do you consider feminism?

Most feminists consider it a political ideology where females retain their privileges while also gaining advantages of being "equal"

That's not the feminism I want.

feminism is mainly about convincing the worst of the people who vote that women are just like them

It's propaganda like that uses no facts, just emotion-toying, that fuels the new feminist argument. It pisses off everyone with common sense and fuels femnazi's autism.

Men and women are not the same and therefore, not equal, and not should not be treated as if they are equal.

The better societies are ones with well defined gender roles, building strong masculine and feminine identities, which together make a society wholly stronger.

>women and men having the same basic rights and freedoms
Women haven an objective advantage in society. Therefore modern feminism is the only thing preventing true gender equality

Faggot

That's not what the feminist movement aims to accomplish, it it were then the movement wouldn't exist because there are already equal rights (women actually have it easier)

>Feminism's scientology tier attempt at indoctrination

Oh I'm laffin'

>The better societies are ones with well defined gender roles
lolwut? Traditional gender roles are more common in poorer societies with less stable governments

Because it is based on a lie.

Women are not oppressed, they are the protected, provided-for class.

They have always been coddled.

What they lack in legal agency they more than made up for in social agency.

You can not believe in evolution and believe that women have been oppressed. It is obvious that men have been the workers, the fighters, the warriors, the earners, and the protectors while women sat on their asses and had life handed to them. If this were not so, women would the stronger, faster, better hand-eye-coordination, etc. Instead we see the opposite.

Feminism is based on lies and perpetuated by selfish human nature which always prefers to blame others than take responsibility for one's situation.

Feminism is recycled Marxism for obese ugly dumb girls.

>emotion-toying, that fuels the new feminist argument

This commercial exemplifies how targeting feminine insecurity is a gold mine for selling products. She even says in the commercial that she is qualified for the promotion because "feels" like she is a good leader. Feminism is nothing more than a marketable brand to sell tampons and barbie dolls.

correlation != causation

Wealthier countries do better than poorer countries in spite of eroded gender norms, not because of.

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Prosperity comes before the erosion of gender norms

No, wealthier countries do better because they can double their workforce, and therefore double their economic output, by having women work. Plus other benefits to gender equality. Obviously acknowledging that "feminism" is not "equality," but equality would lead to things like male victims of rape and DV being taken seriously, or men's lives and health being taken more seriously so they aren't viewed as expendable anymore

>Why are you against women and men having the same basic rights and freedoms?
I'm not. Neither is pretty much nobody in any first world country.
You don't lack the same basic rights as men just because you think air conditioning is sexist and don't like how men sit while riding the subway.

>Why are you against a movement that fights for the rights of both men and women

I'm not, feminism doesn't fight for equality. It fights for all power and privileges to be handed over to women at the expense of every cisgender white male. So it's a power disparity movement in favour of women, it's even in the name. It's not equalism, it's feminism.

>Feminism
Nothing wrong with it until the 2nd strings came. We've had Neo Feminazis and pic related ever since.

The future evolution of humanity is to be sexless. Once we no longer need females for reproduction we can stop producing them. Given that men currently have the power this is our choice to make.

>same basics and rights
I kek'd

Tits or GTFO.

feminism is fine when there is something worth combating, like rape being regularly ignored in parts of central and south africa and cast off as a "tool of war" or women being literally murdered in the middle east for not dressing a certain way.

domestic terrorism and professional whining being referred to as "feminism" is not okay at all.

if you fail to understand this then it's time for you to fuck off and grow up, kid.

>Why are you against women and men having the same basic rights and freedoms?

I'm sorry, why are you asking this on a board made up mostly of people from Western countries where women DO enjoy the same rights as men, and not say...on a Muslim forum made up of people from countries where it's illegal for women to drive or leave the house without a male chaperon?

Economic output is not the only measure of success of a society.

>or men's lives and health being taken more seriously so they aren't viewed as expendable anymore

Prime example of how the notion that "men==women" has corrupted the way people think. If you subscribe to the idea that men and women are commutable, the notion that men are more expendable than women would seem grossly unfair. However, heroism and self-sacrifice have been cornerstones of the traditional masculine identity in all of history. You wouldn't care about being viewed as "expendable" if you had confidence that your endeavours would be valued by others, in both life and death.

First Wave had it's issues, but it really was mostly focused on actual rights. Right to own property, right to vote, etc. Second Wave is what started with trying to change society instead of just laws, and whether you agree with that or not they only wanted to change society in ways that benefited men. Eg, if women wanted to work they could, but if men wanted to be stay-at-home dads fuck off

Are you a young feminist? Those of us who remember 90s feminism remember when feminists like you didn't exist. MRAs and others broke the myth open in the mid 2000s but good luck finding more than a handful of feminists before then who could admit women aren't actually paid 77% for the same job.

Also, Hillary, Bernie, and Obama still shill the wage gap bullshit and we still have Equal Pay Day, so obviously a lot of feminists are still spreading propaganda