Born in 1998

>born in 1998
>only now got around the music of nirvana
they're amazing, how come this board doesnt talk more about them ??

nirvana thread i guess

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What's your favorite album? Mine is Incesticide, but In Utero is also great.

Because they're shit.

Nirvana is fucking shit. Kurt is alone to thank for the death of alternative scenes

>t. grime fanboi

go away before i smack you on the noggin
these fucking kids i swear

people here are just assblasted that they btfo fag and dad rock and made rock into something that isn't shitty power ballads and cringey solos.

>implying Nirvana made anything
>implying Nirvana did anything new at all
dude Melvins and Flippers sound with Pixies soundwriting lmao

I like Nirvana but Kurt was a shit guitar player, creative but shit and most of his style is a rip off of the Melvins which were the original grunge band except they didn't have (and I quote king Buzzo from the Melvins) the "wounded junkie look" which is too true since mtv needed a pretty young face and Kurt fit the bill, otherwise the Melvins would've been the Nirvana of today, go listen to them, the early stuff and you'll see why nobody talks about Nirvana nowadays.

Kurt couldn't handle the heat, offed himself because he got "too famous" too quickly, which he should've seen coming after Nevermind but kept going anyway, only has himself to blame, I mean, if you know your shit is 'new' and you got a pretty face then sooner or later you will be picked up by the mainstream audience, if he didn't want it then he should've just called it off after the first album.

Good band but way too over hyped, I didn't like his attitude either, treated others like a cunt because he was treated like a cunt, should've known better, he was clever, not clever enough apparently

>how can I criticize Nirvana?
>I'll just say they ripped off whomever they listed as an influence on wikipedia
kek

i remember my nirvana phase

dont worry it'll pass and you'll find better music

not the guy but do some research man, Kurt was a huge Melvins fan and used to roadie for them back in the day for a bit, pretty much stole their style shortly after and made his own band, except they didn't want to stay underground and appealed more to the kids of the 90's by being edgy and sounding 'deep'

But that is literally all they are tho

btw i was born in the same year and i got over nirvana and faggot hypocrite when i was 14 so ye

lot of people say that about melvins but to me the beats on nirvana are way different, more hip hop

>Kurt was a huge Melvins fan
None of their albums really sound like the Melvins. Does About a Girl sound like it? What about Heart-Shaped Box?

Melvins wish they had the pop sensibilities and power of Nirvana. They could never write a song like All Apologies. Without Nirvana NO ONE would be talking about the Melvins, period. That's why Buzzo brings em up so much.
Not really. Empty criticism is empty criticism

Why doesn't this board listen to them?
Because this isn't a music board, this is a board for pretentious faggots to brag about how much more obscure their music is.

>Without Nirvana NO ONE would be talking about the Melvins
imgaine beliving this

Not an argument.

>muh melvins
Their albums sound nothing like Melvins or some other grunge bands. They only took inspiration from pixies with nevermind, which was intended to be more poppy than the rest. Bleach, In Utero don't even sound remotely like what you just listed.

because most of us were born 5-10+ years before you and were already in the know.

Only niggers and faggots hate Nirvana. Don't mind them, just feel sorry that they live every day listening to kanye and grimes.

Shiiiiet. Melvins' fanbase is mostly sludge fans. Or doom metal and desert rock types.

People who are really into Nirvana will recognize Melvins but not your regular "alt.rock" listener.

Kurt took the same approach to the music, made his shit sound dirtier and rougher and the attitude came with it, pretty much what the first Melvins album was all about, I'm not talking about the songs/riffs sounding the same.

Most of Nirvana "hits" were pretty much riffs directly ripped off of other songs and honestly, if it wasn't for Smells like teen spirit which was a direct rip off of another song, they wouldn't be famous at all, it was a catchy song then they caught on with their later stuff.
Besides, the "pop sensibilities" you're referring to are never a good thing in music, are they?

Of course he talks about Nirvana, I mean if someone ripped off your style so much and made millions on it and never gave you any credit, would you not at least get slightly pissed off? I'm surprised that mentioning their name was all he did, besides, the Melvins always refused to be bigger than they should be, they talk about refusing to play huge shows at times in some of their interviews, google that shit.

I listen to the Melvins because they're heavy, heavier than Nirvana ever was, their music appeals to a whole different audience so not sure what makes you think no one would be talking about the Melvins?

Well, you did pick some of their more poppy songs instead of something like "Paper Cuts" or "Negative Creep". Not to say they ever were really noisy or sludgy, it's a different thing to be influenced by something (f.ex. Celtic Frost) than actually show it.

back to pol dude

>le back to pol dude XDD
Back to redit. I can play this game too, faggot.

>Kurt took the same approach to the music
Shoe me a Melvins song that soudns like About a Girl.
>I'm not talking about the songs/riffs sounding the same.
Then what are you talking about?
>Most of Nirvana "hits" were pretty much riffs directly ripped off of other songs and honestly
Like what?
>are never a good thing in music, are they?
Why not?
>I listen to the Melvins because they're heavy, heavier than Nirvana ever was, their music appeals to a whole different audience
If that's true, then really Nirvana and Melvins are not that similar. Nice try.
>"Paper Cuts" or "Negative Creep"
Wow, you mean the forgotten, burried deep-LP cuts form their first album, what no one who knows Nirvana thinks of? Nice Cherrypicking. It won't work.

Answer the question. If you can't, then Nirvana and Melvins really aren't that similar.

>he says while posting the man that made being a nu-male mainstream

everyone grew up

honestly i listen to unplugged every now and then with fond memories but thats it

read this book and you'll probably come to realize that nirvana wasn't as special as you thought

> The album was followed by several discographical speculations (singles, mini CDs,an album of unreleased and miscellaneous pieces), until their third real album, IN UTERO (Geffen), appeared in 1993.
It had been announced as a brutal and harsh work - yet another Seattle-style marketing scoop - as if Nirvana should refuse their modern pop star status. As a matter of fact the new album was absolutely in line with both their image and sound. But it also showed their leader's limits, as well as their limit as a group.

>His style was a rip of the Melvins

All people who say this are just quoting Kurt which makes it even funnier

This being an example
All you hear is
>Hurr durr pixies melvins

When Kurt's songwriting was actually an amalgamation of a ton of influences. What I hear personally is a lot of Wipers, a lot of Jesus Lizard attitude, and a lot of Big Black. The whole melvins meme is just something Kurt said himself, as well as Pixies.

None of those band mentioned in that book sound like Nirvana, so yeah, they really are special.

Nice try though.

Their idea of rock music can not be delivered in more than a couple of ways, so they are forced to repeat in Rape Me the substance of Teen Spirit and in Radio Friendly Unit Shifter the essence of Negative Creep. In Pennyroyal Tea, Heart-Shaped Box and Serve The Servants an endless sequence of grunge surgery is performed upon the Beatles' somatic features. However, Cheap Trick had already tried that in an humbler way and, if nothing else, with self-irony. In a word, this is the weakest among Nirvana's records, the one in which the formula starts to falter.

What instrument does he play again?

If NEVERMIND had been greeted as a generation's manifesto, IN UTERO is nothing else but Cobain's personal odyssey (in the meantime he had married Courtney Love, one of the Hole's); he needs to face his own post-teenage disorders but he has neither the mental skills nor the moral maturity to do it. The result is the same as in the previous album: a dark and aimless feeling of impotence, forbereance, fatalism, that well summarizes the navel-quality of Cobain's music.

he's smart and articulate about his words and loyal to his fanbase

something kurt "dude my parents divorced wahh lmao" cobain isn't

Drone doom fans would still talk about Melvins if there was no nirvana

>something kurt "dude my parents divorced wahh lmao" cobain isn't
FACT: more people relate to the words of Kurt Cobain than Scruffy

Thus Kurt is more successful as an artist than Scruffy

Not really, they wouldn't be able to say "Nirvana ripped off Melvins!" and would literally have nothing left to talk about.

> more people

so idiots then

You are the one born in 1998 yeah? Because it shows

Ooops you didn't answer my question: What instrument does he play?
Nope. Oh and not an argument, btw

The melvins influencing drone doom has nothing to do with nirvana

dude, the Melvins has a huge, diverse discography filled with interesting music. there's plenty to talk about besides kurt "ripping them off"

>Shoe me a Melvins song that soudns like About a Girl.
Why would I do that? just listen to the first melvins album and then compare the approach to lets say, Paper Cuts, also very Celtic Frost like. Its just edgy but tries too hard to be like Melvins, which was dirty for a reason, it fit the music, with Nirvana it just didn't click with me, suppose thats why they went more mainstream with the other albums.
>I'm not talking about the songs/riffs sounding the same.
You literally quoted me on the previous question with the answer and you still don't know?
>Like what?
just look it up, don't be a cunt, mostly the popular stuff was ripped off, I can't be bothered doing research for you but Smells like Teen spirit was a direct rip off of some older song I can't remember the name of, he must've thought nobody will find out since it was like 2-3 decades before his time, "Milk it" is a direct rip off of "its Shoved" by the Melvins, just do some research man, most of their stuff is taken from other songs, sometimes they didn't even bother changing any of the instruments like in Milk it for example.
>Why not?
If you don't get it then there's no point explaining, thats why you stick up for Nirvana so much
>If that's true, then really Nirvana and Melvins are not that similar. Nice try.
stop being an edgy teenager, how does that even make sense? just because it appeals to a different audience it doesn't mean that a band of a different genre can't rip them off and just change a thing or two (like go mainstream and lighter)

Try harder kid, you just like Nirvana because its popular. If the world was in the right place and the melvins were in nirvana's place then nobody would give a shit about them as much as they do now. Nirvana is a dead band anyway, grunge died with the 90's which means it was never meant to be, it just keeps reappearing because of all the movies and documentaries that are coming out every couple of years just to milk it some more.

>you can't critique something unless you can preform it yourself.
With that logic nobody can critizise a president unless they have been into themself and nobody can critizise any movie unless they have made one themself.

literally one step above a food analogy, yikes
how can you deny that knowing music theory makes you more authoritative on music?

>Why would I do that?
You made a claim, you need to prove it
>lets say,
About A Girl and Heart-Shaped Box. Nope, doesn't sound like Melvins, sorry
>You literally quoted me on the previous question with the answer
What, the idea if playing heavy music with guitars? i guess Melvins are juts Black Sabbath rip offs then.
>just look it up
It's your argument, you need to prove it
>"Milk it" is a direct rip off of "its Shoved" by the Melvins
Not hearing it. Care to elaborate? chart it out and show us.
>If you don't get it then there's no point explaining
Oh is it because of >le scary pop songs and melody!
Wow, grow up. Are you 14?
>stop being an edgy teenager
Tell me more about how pop music is bad?
>Try harder kid, you just like Nirvana because its popular.
Quote me where i said I liked Nirvana.

Sure is a lot of damage control and lack of a real argument here

You can criticize, it just won't be valid and especially not intellectual, as Scruffy claims.

>moving the goalposts from an instrument to music theory

holy shit grow up
what a typical plebian response

if you know theory and don't play an instrument you're probably just autistic anyway

Because I already lived through them. They had there place in my life, by high school was almost 20 years agi

>born in 1998
hmm.

>how come this board doesnt talk more about them ??
because everyone knows they are amazing. It's like saying drugs are fun or steak tastes good.

have fun listening to them for the first time. check out red hot chili peppers and acid bath.

>I have no arguments
>better call someone a pleb!
Nice Are all Melvins fans this retarded?

>learning things out of personal interest is "autistic"

who are you quoting?
you can defeat me on semantics if you want but it seems like a waste to me

It's just an angry Scruffydrone, ignore it.

epic meme my Sup Forumsro! did you also know nickelback sux xDDD
I can't wait for actual crap like the nigger hip hop that's currently "in" to be ridiculed like this in the future.

>who are you quoting?
Sorry, but the ">" is not just used for exact quotes. I think you might be lost, here >>>r/music

I've been facetiously asking people that since 2011 but whatever makes you feel old mate

>how come this board doesnt talk more about them
Because everything good to say about them has already been said by teenagers with grunge themed tumblrs. All Sup Forums discussion of Nirvana will therefore be these teenagers arguing with jaded hipsters about whether or not Nirvana is a rip-off band or not.

Nirvana is the McChicken of alternative music

Can no one seriously see Nirvana as anything outside an amalgamation of their influences? No wonder this board can't discuss music. They wrote and played great songs

>You made a claim, you need to prove it
Yea, and I explained it? are you really that retarded kek, you just keep pulling out songs out of your ass and keep asking "show me a song that sounds like it"
>About A Girl and Heart-Shaped Box. Nope, doesn't sound like Melvins, sorry
Yea because thats the only two songs Nirvana ever recorded... why are you this dense? are you running out of arguments?
>What, the idea if playing heavy music with guitars? i guess Melvins are juts Black Sabbath rip offs then.
I think they even said it themselves kek, every heavy band is a black sabbath rip off
>It's your argument, you need to prove it
its you who doesn't get it, why would I waste my time on something I know you're wrong about based on facts that exist out there, facts that you're too ignorant to check and learn from?
>Not hearing it. Care to elaborate? chart it out and show us.
ok now I know you're a troll, this is a 1:1 rip off and you know it, you just don't want to hear it because "I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG! LEAVE MY BAND ALONE!"
>Oh is it because of >le scary pop songs and melody!
Wow, grow up. Are you 14?
kys
>Tell me more about how pop music is bad?
In case of Nirvana, taking what many people listen to the Melvins for (which is the complete opposite of what pop is) and turning it mainstream/popular so that everyone can listen to the music that not everyone should listen to because it wasn't made for them. Its the equivalent of normie 'memes' on facebook, something more up your alley right?
>Quote me where i said I liked Nirvana.
You didn't have to, and probably didn't on purpose, but your fanboyism is showing.

You're just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point, you're wasting my time and you won't even do your research to back up your points, I'm trying to tell you that the facts are out there, you just need to see them for yourself and until then you'll just keep being butthurt

>born in 1998

Disgusting desu.

they are fantastic. it's like I won't even bother responding to people that can't see it.

it's like saying pink floyd sucks

>*strumms power chord*
>some edgy and angsty lyrics to appeal to gen X
>*plays loud power chord*
>yells some edgy and angsty lyrics to appeal to gen X
great songs if i have ever heard em'

nirvana turned grunge into a slot machine. you know your a shit band and the logical conclusion to rock when all you do is play lazy chords, scream into a mic and crank deafening distortion up and preach the whole "DUDE PUNK ROCK FUCK COMMERCIALISM LMAO"

anyone who listens to them after the age of 16 should be castrated

>it's like saying pink floyd sucks
You are either underage or incredibly new. Pink Floyd has three albums worth listening to and the rest is fucking trash for 14 year old stoners

This. Fucking love my mcChickens.

>he thinks being called the McChiken of anything is a compiment
>he likes the McChiken
Average Nirvana fan right here

>the facts are out there
>but I won't post them though just trust me haha

>being THIS dedicated to defend a shit band

boy it sure is summer

0/10 bait.

kys if you actually think that. I've been here for 9 years.

They are great songs because they were HEAVILY influenced, "influenced", by other great songs. They are given much more credit than they deserve and people who claim Kurt was talented need to listen to more music.

Theres a reason there are still thousands of bands that are influenced by lets say, Black Sabbath, and there are none that were influenced by Nirvana. Good songs, but it was just a phase, nothing that hasn't been done before or hasn't been done better now

Nirvana is among the worst bands of all time.

nirvana phase is essential to any 13-18 year old getting into music.

unplugged is their best album by a country mile, i pretty much only listen to their live albums. Reading, Paramount & MTV are great. studio albums are cool but i never go back to them anymore

I'M A NEGATIVE CREEP I'M A NEGATIVE CREEP I'M A NEGATIVE CREEP DROOOOONE

>I've been here for 9 years.
>using kys, a youtube meme used by 15 year olds
not convincing me here

>Implying you wouldn't goggle up this gift from God.
I want plebs to GET OUT!

And for all that time you had embarrassing opinions on a band that peaked very early. I hate to be the one to tell you but I don't make the rules buddy

>and there are none that were influenced by Nirvana.
Literally untrue. All it takes is a google search, you fucking mong.

You can't honestly say that there are no bands influenced by Nirvana.

I'm not telling you to trust me, I'm telling you that you should stop being a stubborn 12 year old and do some background check before you start pulling shit out of your ass, thats just ridiculous.

I'm not defending shit, in fact I'm trying to tell this guy to stop defending Nirvana, can you read?

>He smells his own farts

Bro, who gives a fuck that they peaked early, they are an amazing band and so is nrivana. Your opinion is objectively shit.

Yeah a bunch of shit nu-male bands and buttrock

influenced =/= "we're a Nirvana cover band but won't say anything"

>and I explained it?
You havent given any factual proof of your claims.
One last try?
>Yea because thats the only two songs Nirvana ever recorded
Do you think Paper Cuts and Negative Creep are the only two songs Nirvana ever recorded? ... why are you this dense? are you running out of arguments?
>every heavy band is a black sabbath rip off
Then will you admit you are buying into a double standard? Why is it OK for Melvins to rip off someone but not Nirvana?
>why would I waste my time
Then retract your statement and admit defeat, or just stop posting. No one cares about your uneducated opinion
>"I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG! LEAVE MY BAND ALONE!"
I'm literally asking for evidence. Are you 12?
>Wow, grow up. Are you 14?
Then answer what's wrong with pop. You said there was. What other option is there, other than you being afraid of melodic music? Does it bother you when things aren't br0tal and heavy like Swans or Sun O))))))? That's what children think, you know.
>taking what many people listen to the Melvins for
Irrelevant, since you can't prove it. Next
>not everyone should listen to because it wasn't made for them.
Do you know music theory?

>They are given much more credit than they deserve

Yeah I agree. But that's just the music press/hype machine. I don't really give a shit about where they stand in music history. I still find them enjoyable to listen to. I like most of their influences too

Keep the goalposts where they are sweetums

>they are an amazing band and so is nrivana
how is high school treating you. Smoked any weed you paid 20$ a gram for lately

>and there are none that were influenced by Nirvana.
Did you not pay attention to the million alt rock bands that came out in 1995 and onwards?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-grunge

Oh maybe you weren't born yet.

Name one band from the 90s and 60s that are better then Nirvana and Floyd

Lol, are you for real?

>a nirvana thread with 96 replies

holy shit reddit must be down or something

chili peppers brusef