Whats wrong with bernie?

Whats wrong with bernie?

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His campaign is based around a feel-good fantasy that's just impractical in the real world.

He's a septuagenarian socialist Jew who's never had a real job.

>Shit that literally every other 1st world country has is impractical
Alright friend. Look, if you don't like social programs, say so. But don't pretend like it's a cooky concept

Are you prepared to pay the massive tax hikes required to pay for them?

Absolutely. And I don't think they'd be all that massive. Unless you're extemely wealthy, your taxes wouldn't go up that much.

And I know some people criticize the "eat the rich" mentality, but frankly, the rich have been eating the middle class for decades thanks to neo-lib retards supressing wages and destroying unionized labor

Aren't we already? The rich keep pilying the tax burden on the middle/working class and hardly anyone knows that. We don't have a capitalistic system anymore. We're more corporatism then anything which is socialism for the rich.

A jew that wants to give out free stuff. Doesn't compute.

So trump wants a free wall. He wants to tax the rich also to help start it. Every candidate wants free shit but at least bernie admits it.

He also doesn't give a fuck about israel

Nothing if you like standing in line for bread and government cheese.

What's with the burger shitposting spree recently?

But he's still a practicing kike.

You take the good with the bad, I guess

shut the fuck up you weebo

It is in America because the other countries you're referring to have laws and government structured with those principles in mind. America is capitalist and democratic through and through, and the industries your government pays for are privately owned over here, which is why socialist health care and wages don't work and will never get passed here.

Socialist
Wealth redistributor
Cucked by BLM females on his own stage
Still believes in fairy tales
Economic plan is total bullshit
Wants greater dependency on government
Will end up destroying middle class further in vain attempt to get revenge on upper class

What more do you need?

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Filthy communist traitor.

Wants to legalize all the illegal spics, and panders to nigger and spic nationalism.

Nothing. Thing is it is necessary for the Western alliance that the US does not become a socialist state. Someone has to be the world's police man and if its not the US, then some other country will try to step into the power vacuum. The current system is the only way that the US is able to fund the military and programs necessary for the US to play its current role in the world. The US is not Canada or other European countries. Canada and these other countries plays entirely different roles in the global arena that afford them the luxury to be semi-socialist states.

You better hope this thread gets deleted in a few seconds.

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>Whats wrong with bernie?
communism

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Go make some glowsticks friendo

>Fox News Latino

Why do we have shit like Fox News Latino and BET, but not special TV channels for white nationalism?

Pic related?

>Hur dur, mah young people vote!

Listen. Every new generation of idealistic young people we go through this. It started with the beatniks, then the hippies, etc. It never lasts & always dies out once they realize that bad elements always infiltrate the "my stuff is your stuff" mentality & it ends up turning into a total cluster fuck. Even with socialism lite, like places in Europe, you'll see this first hand with how that system handles the millions of leeches that are being dropped over there.

Most people grow up & grow out of it. A few, like comrade Sanders, keep fighting for it like the old cuck he is (in reality he's accomplished nothing his entire career). So its no coincidence he's only arousing stupid young people with no life experiences with his rhetoric.

Capitalism isn't perfect by any means, but its the best way to go about it.

What happens lol

>voting for a kike socialist
not even once

>And I don't think they'd be all that massive.
fuck off idiot

your taxes would go way up, and they have have 20% VATs ....... my state sales tax is 5%

not to mention with our open border..... it would be suicide (and we already owe 20T)

>Every new generation of idealistic young people we go through this. It started with the beatniks, then the hippies, etc. It never lasts & always dies out once they realize that bad elements always infiltrate the "my stuff is your stuff" mentality & it ends up turning into a total cluster fuck.

We've already seen it happening.

The "Occupy Wall Street" movement imploded on itself once they introduced the "progressive stack" and libshit millenials started arguing with each other over who was more or less "privileged", instead of trying to enforce Marxism. Also, the women at the events kept getting raped by the nigs.

>the best way to go about it
But it's clearly not working anymore. There's an economic collapse every 15 or so years. The middle class is dissapearing. Wealth is pooling to the top and only getting worse. College is getting more expensive in an economy that's becoming more and more information based.

>Nope, everything's fine, it'll trickle down goy

>Also, the women at the events kept getting raped by the nigs.

Based Nigs.

It says glowstick. I could be wrong though.

Fpbp

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>Absolutely

Do you even pay taxes?

>doesn't think it will be that massive
You haven't been doing much research on these politicians have you.

Nice Trips

For a tax plan that includes subsadized college and healthcare, I think that's pretty good. And I don't hate Trump, so I might vote for him. I'm certainly not voting for fucking Neo Lib Clinton

>What happens lol
you "feel the burn" (literally)

THE RICH AREN'T EATING THE MIDDLE CLASS YOU FUCKING IDIOT

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RICH

IT'S OUR FUCKING GOVERNMENT

You can treat that without going total commie by giving people opportunity with jobs instead of handouts. We've just been gutted in this regard over the last few decades & politicians playing crony capitalism.

Trump's really the only one bringing all of this up in a hard line meaningful way that would actually have the balls to do it. Trust me, he's not being slammed by cuckservatives left & right because he's saying mean things. He's a threat.

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Please make this happen.

>THE RICH AREN'T EATING THE MIDDLE CLASS
Yes they are. They're robbing us, beating us, starving us, and poisoning us. They're worthless psychopaths that need to die.

All the new welfare programs he is proposing are going to create what is essentially a Ponzi scheme as our birth rates can't keep up to fund all the older generations. It's robbing the young to pay for the elderly basically especially when you are talking healthcare.

Also Bernie is a cuck and this nation desperately needs to uncuck ourselves right now.

>Clearly didn't read the post
I literally said it was neo libs in the government, you retard.

I see most of Trump's policies to be good short term solutions, but again, we're moving into an information based economy. The jobs Trump wants to protect are worth protecting, but eventually we're going to have to do something about the cost of college

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Not for long they can't unless you decide to have a fuckton more children or import a lot of immigrants and hope they are productive and don't just compound the problem.

Bernie Sanders is a complete moron. I can go on for hours why, for the sake of brevity I wont.

The myth is that the nordic model of democratic socialism, which he wants, is a sucess when in actuality it is a failure. Those countries have poor economic vitality and won't stand in the long term, hence the recent right wing victories. With that said, they're STILL more capitalist then America in many regards including lower corporate tax rate and less regulation.

The governments also have features like the liquidation of assets or taxable income holdings from state owned natural resource companies, meaning they can take that money to hedge against the economic cycle and artificially resist depressions. Know who didn't have this? Greece and spain. They're in the shitter. Know who won't have it? America.

He also wants to increase rates of amnesty and add an amendment to the dream act, using government funding to provide welfare and education oppertunities for immigrants, as well as raising the minimum wage to 15$ which is a proven failure, including in testing zones like the classic example Australia, where unemployment has increased dramatically, losing almost 96,000 jobs a year. And imagine an influx in the market when low skilled AMERICAN laborers can't get jobs due to raising standards in the hiring process, so we have millions of immigrants who won't be getting these jobs either, collecting welfare and unemployment or contributing to crime. Think of things holistically guys, this is not a joke.

>robbing beating starving and poisoning
That's quite a claim, care to back it up with facts instead of emotion? Name one instance in which this happens legally without the consent of the ones affected.

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While that is partially true I think the end game capitalism we are currently experiencing is part of the issue here. Totally free markets won't fix it either. As communication and transportation systems evolved we entered the age of globalization. This has resulted in foreign nations being able to fuck with our economy via things like outsourcing and cheap importation of goods. I'm not saying Communism is the answer as it is obviously a shit system but there certainly is a problem that free markets wont fix.

We don't have true capitalism. We have government subsidized capitalism. The kind of capitalism that allows shit like this to fester in the first place. The kind that uses over-regulation to keep larger businesses in power and prevent smaller ones from becoming large. The kind that creates a shortage of startup companies, and too many looking for the same jobs.

He's weird. He have something that do not fits well.
Most jews have something weird in them, like the people from Innsmouth.

I agree, I don't think that Bernie will magically fix everything, but I have a policy for dealing with this uncertainty: never vote for a neo lib or neo con. Regardless of what they say, I'm 100% sure they're not working in my best interests

You are Reddit personified.

Free markets may not fix it, but we don't need to adopt socialism or any particular variant like Bernie wants, we need protectionism like Trump proposes. We shouldn't be outsourcing our companies and jobs and funneling our capital towards foreign interests, but allowing trickle-down economics to ACTUALLY trickle down.

Trump proposes tax cuts for corporations and individuals. We currently have one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world, nearly twice that of Denmark and Sweden, which Sanders praises. They actually have a more free economy then us, despite their safety net/welfare spending and high individual tax rate. Trump also proposes to repatriate assets (meaning essentially taking money corporations have held in foreign banks) which puts more capital into our economy.

there needs to be more then corporate tax cuts, there has to be incentives to "trickle" these new profits into American pockets. Trump has imposed tariffs and protectionist policies while advocating to fight TPP and NAFTA. This provides an avenue for these profits to circulate in our economy. Bernie is also against TPP and NAFTA which I admire greatly, however his proposals for immigration, education, and the minimum wage would give businesses no recourse and would do more harm then good.

>Probably voting for trump
>Reddit personified
What the fuck are you talking about

Agreed but what i'm saying is that even true capitalism is going to have problems when it comes to the labor market as a result of how interconnected world economies are today.

Bernie will only compound the problems as his social programs are unsustainable without drastically increasing our birthrates and his insanely high min wage increase will only accelerate automation costing jobs.

My wife is young, but is a professor at a state school (she's a doctor in her field of study) & believe me when I say that half the kids in college have no business being there. Like at all. I've helped her grade papers & some of the shit I've seen is shocking, but they expect her to pass them because they're privileged, don't wanna work & think since they paid they should get the grade. Yet they're dumb as fuck.

For instance, she teaches poli sci. I've taken some of her tests & usually score around a C, and I know jack shit about the subject as far as policies & stuff like that. Yet these kids are failing it wide open, and they're in the damn class!

My point is, no. Not everyone belongs in college, a place for higher learning. But they're there because they don't have anywhere else to go. Hence more good paying jobs are needed like we used to have that just requires training & not a college degree.

I agree with you. Protectionism seems to be the play probably along with government public work projects like rebuilding our infrastructure. Keep the people working while making our country stronger and better in the process. It worked for Hitler and it can work for us.

I agree that stupid people don't really belong in universities, but my point is: why shackle the future of the US economy to a mountain of debt? That's a crisis waiting to happen

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fuck you kike get out of my fucking wallet
you can't just do shit because "every other coutnry has that" you have to look at the way things actually work

Bernie's whole premise is based on Nordic socialism, a mythical premise that if you take small, low-density, low-diversity high-income population and apply its policies in an empire-sized nation with high-density high-diversity metropolises in which government services will be in the highest demand -- you're gonna have a fucking disaster.

what works in Copenhagen and Oslo does not necessarily work in New York, Seattle, San Francisco, Detroit, Cincinnati, Tellahasee, Kansas City, etc. etc. etc.

not to mention such social services as bernie wants on the scale he needs to provide them at imply a great deal of central planning which has been proven time and time again to be an inefficient way of managing resources in an empire-sized economy. there will not be ever enough taxes in America to pay for everything Bernie promises.

I would prefer an anti-fragile non-centralized economy with less government involvement in order to remove barriers to increased efficiency which creates price reductions, thanks.

I always get a good laugh whenever I think of Bernie Sanders meeting with Putin. Hed probably enter the meeting bent over

man for a bunch of anti-'SJW's y'all sure get triggered easily

The top 3 million individual earners in the United States pay just about 50% of the total collected in federal income taxes. When you factor in corporations and the rest of the 1% it jumps well past 60%. The bottom 20% actually factors in negatively bc of what they take out in welfare. Saying the rich don't contribute substantially already to federal taxes is fucking insane and ignorant and shows your age. Don't believe me, fucking look it up it should come up right away.

Secondly, for an anecdotal note, as someone who grew up in the 3-2% bracket but went to a highly selective east coast private school and walked the halls with the children of billionaires but who is now working a managerial position in a large machine shop....:Rich white children/people are generally pretty decent people if not out right remarkable/incredible. However, poor people are at best good people who are generally dumb. But most of them are shitheads and TOTAL fucking idiots with money. I try so hard to work with them but they are just idiots and constantly lying and behaving like children.

So stfu about economics and/or take that shit back to - r - e - d - d - i - t -

Are you talking student debt or government debt? Student debt is healthy as it incentivises students not to make poor decisions. They are making the investment themselves therefore they are more likely to not take it for granted.

I would like to see more merit based scholarships though to encourage competition and excellence. What I think would work real well but as of yet hasn't been tried is to offer semester by semester scholarships once kids are already in university. If a student really busts his ass the first year or comes up with something innovative in his course of study give him the next year free.

But yea just throwing free college at everyone isn't the best idea. It takes away a lot of the incentive to work hard and do well.

693 pages of FEC campaign donation violations yesterday for starters
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I agree the cost of a degree has gotten outta control, so has healthcare. Its a big game really. Even if you have insurance, its still fucked since the cost of service is sky high & under the impression everyone has it. Universities need to downsize big time though, but they're addicted to the cash cow of the dummies who get loans that are there just to be there. A degree is starting to get played out anyway, esp if everyone has one.

So you need multi steps. More good paying jobs that don't require a degree, less people enrolling in college, and the cost to do so needs put in a major reality check. But no one wants to do it because its ballooned up to where it is now. I do know though the answer isn't putting more people into that system, even if its "free" (quotations because its never free).

I don't know about you, but I sure as shit don't wanna be paying for dumb ass Jamal from the block to go to college.

This one is beyond the point of saving.

I'm pretty sure the majority of /r/politics are voting for Trump if Bernie doesn't get the nomination. Anything but Clinton.

Nothing. He's perfect. A vote for anyone else is a vote for the shoah

That 'social democracy' somewhat worked when Europe was majority white (aka employed and contributing taxes).
Now that they are 'diversified', it's taking down the country.

Yea university costs should go down once people stop pushing the meme that everyone needs to get a 4 year liberal arts degree to survive.

I'm sure new types of educational companies will spring up in the coming years to disrupt the college market a bit. The value employers place on university degrees should decline as well.

he believes in the wage gap meme and therefore a woman should be paid more just for having a vagina

Trade school is a great alternative too. Little to nothing, learn how to work like a fuckin man, make great money and get treated well.

And they only had to become diversified when their declining birthrates threatened the ability to fund their social programs.

I bet he unironically believes it too and isn't just pandering. Comrade Sanders can't into statistics and economics

Fuck man, I'm a current student at a CC. Getting my associates degree on the cheap. Let me tell you, half of the people don't belong there. Makes me think how much money were wasting on regular college students.

university costs and student attendance will not go down until the government stops subsidizing student debt. the primary cause of the college bubble isn't any meme, it's the fact that the state thinks injecting cash into the system does not create a price inflation. It does every single time.

>declining birthrates threatened the ability to fund their social programs
That's only true if the immigrants can work and contribute to the economy.
The immigrants they brought cannot do such things and actually take out welfare and fill their prisons.

they didn't really need to diversify though, they didn't have to. the leftist governments simply hate europeans and love international socialism. they could've created incentives for germans to have kids, but no, they'd rather bring in ahmad ibn mustafa instead.

Government backed loans certainly have been a major factor in price inflation but at the same time we need some way for students to be able to pay for school.

Yea you could have tried that or at least imported Euro immigrants rather than shitskins.

Exactly they only compounded the problem. Topcuck

YOU FUCKING IDIOT

THE GOVERNMENT TAKES OUR MONEY

NOT THE FUCKING RICH

THE RICH PAY INTO THE GOD DAMNED GOVERNMENT TOO

IT'S FULL OF CORRUPT FUCKS THAT USE THAT MONEY FOR PERSONAL GAIN

Part time employment is normally how most people manage to pay for school. When you don't involve the government in education through public schools and such, you create a market for tutors.

Word. Trade schools get a bad rap. I'll tell you right now if I had it to do over again my ass would've done just that & learned a good trade like welding.

I blame myself, but mine and every other dumb ass boomer parent was telling us all to go to college, and only the burn out losers go to trade schools. Luckily this was in the late 90s where you could afford it out of pocket. It was expensive, but no where NEAR what it is now.

The government shouldn't make something "affordable" by issuing out loans so you can now "afford it". This goes for the real estate market and student loans.
That only makes prices go up. (Think of it like using a no limit credit card in a bidding war on ebay. Prices would skyrocket because you can now 'afford' to outbid your opponent. The government is the credit card, your peers are bidding for college seats, and the newly higher price is what you get to pay).
A better solution is needed.

This is the conservative version of TRUMP IS LITERALLY HITLER