>want to know about the neanderthals, what happened to them, with whom they mixed, where humanity started and how we reached this point of evolution >liberals and afrocentrists IMMEDIATELY start pointing out about how humanity started on africa, how we are all africans and how africans are the real humans >conspiracy nuts and stormweenies say bullshit like the neanderthals mixed with humans which resulted in a superior human species (caucasians) while the humans that didn't mix resulted in an inferior human species (negroes)
look buddies. i do not care about africans. i do not care about superiority. i am who i am and i am not going to change. i will also not change my ideals since i chose them by being objective.
all i want is the ONE, TRUE, UNBIASED, unrelated with agendas and ABSOLUTE truth about the origin of humanity. can i have it?
if such a thing even exists that is. as far as i know, perhaps all this bullshit are just baseless theories of failed scientists...
>looking for intelligent conversation on Sup Forums
Ryan Hall
>how africans are the real humans >neanderthals mixed with humans which resulted in a superior human species (caucasians) while the humans that didn't mix resulted in an inferior human species (negroes) Wow, you just answered your own question.
Luke Wilson
>we're all africans!
This shit triggers the hell out of me. It's equivalent to saying that we're all tadpoles because humans, mammals, and all tetrapods evolved from some amphibian common ancestor hundreds of millions of years ago. It implies that just because you stem from the same root means that nothing has changed since then. And we've very clearly had major evolutionary changes since then separate from blacks.
Joshua Foster
The thing about high IQs resulting from human populations that mixed with neanderthals is true. Sub-saharan Africans have 0% Neanderthal DNA. 1-4% Neanderthal DNA results in a very significant difference in average IQ.
Man why don't you go to the library and get a book on that.
Blake Wood
I was waiting for this day, Sup Forums discovers the benefits of race-mixing
Landon Cook
Hello snake man, how is snake land?
Mason Harris
african homo sapiens, or archaic man (cro magnon), at the time of the neanderthals mixed with a different species of hominin that existed at the same time as neanderthals (there was a whole bunch of random hominins at one time.)
Homo sapiens that ventured north into europe did meet and mix with neanderthals, who had music and art and could speak although their vocal cords didn't allow them the range of expression we had.
What resulted were two different offshoots of humanity. Whether you want to call one superior to the other is up to you.
Basically both sides were mating with a more "primitive" version of hominin (although no archealogist will ever use that word, it's considered racist or some shit.)
For all intensive purposes though, it is generally agreed that the hominin the homo sapiens in africa were breeding with were even more "primitive" than the neanderthals.
Although there is definite exceptions- sub saharan africans have no prognathism (snout like skulls) and other primitive skull features like a vaulted forehead and prominent brow. So you have some blacks that might not have mated with this primitive form of hominin.
Really though, we don't know a lot, whether there is actually holes in the fossil record or whether there is being information that is being supressed, who knows
Brayden Cox
RARE FLAG A R E F L A G
Wyatt Rogers
>For all intensive purposes Leaf education, ladies and gentlemen
Oliver Cook
Fuck off mullat
Justin Moore
>thejoke(you).gif
Isaac Williams
How does mixing with a "primitive" species (Neanderthals) result in higher IQ? Why was a more primitive species (Neanderthals) capable of music, art, and speech? Were Homo sapiens not as advanced as Neanderthals? More advanced? I have so many questions...
Isaiah Nguyen
How is it that Neanderthal "died out" 30,000 years ago yet 4.2% of my dna is Neanderthal?
Justin Adams
>the neanderthals mixed with humans which resulted in a superior human species (caucasians) while the humans that didn't mix resulted in an inferior human species (negroes)
its true and not even to do with white supremacism, since asians/hispanics/arabs/ect have neanderthal ancestors too, its just africans and australian abos who dont, which is why they have sub 85 IQs
Hudson Perez
>4.2% of my dna that's on the high end of the range. are you jewish by any chance?
Elijah Morgan
Perhaps 'primitive' and 'advanced' aren't sufficient words to describe what it is that has happened.
Brayden Lee
Our earliest known ancestor lived in Africa. They were called Australopithecus africanus, if I recall correctly. Modern Homo sapiens evolved during a global ice age in sub-Saharan Africa. From there they migrated North and settled around the world. Where ever they settled they outcompeted the other, similar humans (Homo erectus, Homo neanderthalensis) and also mixed a bit with them. Most of this theory is based on the location of the oldest found bones, genetic differences and similarities.
Nicholas Roberts
Human DNA is 98% identical to that of a chimpanzee.
Owen Morris
well thankfully the faggot ass narrative of we're all africans is changing in archaeology. Wait 20-30 years and I bet we'll figure it out, as long as muslims don't eradicate the middle east and europe.
Oliver Adams
>all intensive purposes You had me going until then bro.
Lucas Anderson
By this logic, neanderthals are geniuses compared to the cro magnons how come they went extinct?
Isaac Turner
0.1% Ashkenazi according to the same dna test
99.8% "Broadly Northern European"
0.1% Undesignated
>so close, yet so far....
Caleb Allen
why are you spreading falsity? sub saharan africans have the most prognathism and a bunch of other features which are in between chimpanzees and eurasians
Mason Brooks
Neanderthals were incredibly specialized compared to Homo sapiens. They were solely adapted to survive during ice age europe and when the world exited the ice age they couldn't compete with the Homo sapiens.
Jonathan Jones
i only asked because a jewish friend had high neathderthal dna (about 3%) and I thought it was perhaps because he was a shapeshifting jew. I guess not.
Chase Morales
Next time partner, say intensive porpoises. They'll get the joke.
Otherwise, well said.
Carson Ross
>mfw 84% more neanderthal DNA than the rest of the customers
Samuel Murphy
Anybody else here wish that the Neanderthals, Cro Magnons, Homo-Erectus, and whatnot were still around today? I think it would be pretty cool
Dominic Kelly
>genetics doesn't real
Levi Allen
No. They would be like retarded niggers. Sure you'd have the novelty of having them alive, but they would all be sub-100 IQ. Maybe if we kept them in zoos.
Ian Cox
And even if we kept them in zoos, I assure you some retarded SJW movement would eventually demand that "They're human too" and we'd release them and every single one of them would be on the benefit.
Gabriel Evans
Yeah. Pretty sure homo-erectus lives primarily in Detroit
Austin Bailey
kek
David Ortiz
But weren't Neanderthals supposedly smarter than Homo-sapiens?
But imagine being able to observe them side by side and compare/contast. How different would they be? Would the difference be large or little? What if they were better/smarter than Homosapien Africans?
IDK, shit seems like i'd be cool to see
David Long
gosh, liberals would import them and give them free education.
Colton Richardson
>But weren't Neanderthals supposedly smarter than Homo-sapiens? No. They had larger brains, certainly, but they lacked any development of the frontal lobe, which is where Homo sapiens intelligence comes from. They did however, have much higher pain tolerance, reflexes and coordination.
Ethan Murphy
Just from living in Atlanta, I'm pretty sure the differences can't be that different.
James Peterson
But what if because of their existence, it changes our timeline? Like, what if we enslaved Homo-Erectus's instead of African Homosapiens because of the Erectus's superior strength and easier to train like a dog(I mean, I'm just assuming that because they'd think less like humans and more like animals). The possibilities could be endless
Interesting. But imagine if we had them in sports, watching a UFC fight between a Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon or Homosapien.
Charles Nguyen
abos actually do have neanderthal
Jordan Lewis
You can still enslave niggas and use them as dogs.
Jaxon Wood
Who's awesome?
I am.
Charles Baker
Following Out Of Africa (which is still trash), you could still make the case for populations of Homo Sapiens interbreeding with other hominids as they migrated.
Caucasoids (european whites and slavs) have a relatively high admixture of neanderthalensis and lesser degree of denisovan dna. It's believe that Neanderthals bred into Sapiens, and carried over Neanderthalensis advances (tool use, construction, social specialisation, the development of religion etc).
Mongoloids (asians and american indigenous tribes) have a higher degree of denisovan dna comparatively, though the degree to which the Denisovan hominids played into mongoloid growth and development isn't greatly known
Africoids (there are distinctions between western, southern and eastern populations, where there are significant different admixtures of haplogroups - eastern and northern populations have comparatively high proportions of typically caucasoid haplogroups for example) stayed in Africa, and there's suggestion that western and southern populations overtook and absorbed older populations of homo erectus before they became extinct.
Aboriginal populations seem to fit an earlier inbetween stage of homo erectus and that didn't breed with (or find) other populations, getting dispersed over the further flung regions. Some populations of the polynesian and oceanian regions suggest generational mixing of mongoloid and aborigine populations.
However, forensic anthropology tends to get kneecapped because it is almost openly forbidden to publish about anything that would reasonably discern """Race"""
Jace Wright
GODAMN IT MARCO!
Logan Hernandez
There is a movie called "The man from earth" about something like that, you should check it out
Jonathan Martinez
I think you might be gay user
Jace Fisher
Race mixing with neanderthals, who had larger cranial capacity and greater resiliency to injury, along with the capacity for spirituality
James Perez
Serious question is Martinique nice?
Christopher Jackson
I'll check it out, thanks
Xavier Lopez
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Nathan Rogers
More like species-mixing at that point, one can argue the differences between say europeans and asians to be slight, but neanderthals were distinct enough to be considered a different species, like abbos.
Aiden Carter
There were several "waves" of out of Africa.
The first waves created things like Neanderthals and the asiatic proto humans which we still know extremely little about. Most of these adapted with lighter skin to get their vitamin D from diff weather.
Then there was a more recent "out of africa" and those people did in fact interbreed with both the neanderthals and asiatic proto humans. This created the "Cro Magnons", very archaic modern humans.
It is a fact that caucasoids were interbred with neanderthals, its in the DNA. There's stuff we keep detecting but cant identify which is in asiatic races and oceanic ones, as said, we are still struggling to understand human history there. It seems the keys to the answers of oceania/asia lie in "Sundaland" which is now below water level, genetic spread in the east seems related to that location, which was one rolling grassy plains for hundreds of miles.
Africans lack the mixed DNA of all other races. When people start to look into the bell curve and begin discussing race and intelligence the fact everyone but africans are mixed with neanderthals and other protos eventually comes up.
Neanderthals were not less advanced than humans, they were simply a different species of human. They had their own checks and balances too, being neither superior nor inferior. What we were able to identify is that it seemed like the "new" humans could breed faster than them and adapt tools at lightning pace, including ones they copied from neanderthals. Somehow they edged them out, outbred them, or interbred them.
For a little bit of fun OP you should look up Homo Florienses
Nicholas Allen
oh, thats even more embarrassing for africa
Luis Brooks
>ABSOLUTE truth about the origin of humanity This world is a world of deceit.
Fat chance mate. First conquer lies, then the truth will come to the surface.
Michael Hill
And 50% of a banana. What's your point?
Carter Perry
>all i want is the ONE, TRUE, UNBIASED, unrelated with agendas and ABSOLUTE truth about the origin of humanity. can i have it? Yeah, look at some research papers that aren't written by cultural anthropologists.
Andrew Taylor
>Homo Florienses That entire fucking island and all the wacky remains on it weird me the fuck out, tiny people and elephants and huge lizards, it's like a '50s movie that really happened, "Isle of the Pygmies! In Stereo-vision!"
Isaac Baker
Yeah, it's good for the inferior race. That's what humans going into Europe and Asia were, the inferior race. They weren't adapted for it until they interbred which also coincided with climate change.
Samuel Hill
Actually I'm pretty sure that they recently discovered that sub saharan Africans DO have some neanderthal DNA.
The percentage of DNA from other species of Human varies depending on the geography of your ancestors, Caucasians, East Asians and Native Americans have a lot of Neanderthal DNA admixture (although mostly relegated to junk DNA now) and South Asians, Southern Indians, Papua New Guineans and Australian Aborigines have higher admixture from Denisovans who were another progenitor around the time of the Neanderthals.
It's important to note that the differences between Homo neanderthalensis, Homo Sapiens and Homo Denisovan aren't as big as people might claim but they were definitely present.
Kevin Long
>misunderstand what that 4.2% number means Weew
Jacob Reed
They have much more denisovan DNA though and very little neaderthal
Hudson Evans
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Kevin Barnes
The amount of DNA present from Neanderthals is fairly negligible and is mostly relegated to junk DNA. I think that most likely what people gained from interbreeding with them was better tolerance for the environmental conditions outside of Africa. Considering that the Neanderthals were living in Europe for a while they most likely adapted to the environment physiologically.
Brandon Perry
>I think that most likely what people gained from interbreeding with them was better tolerance for the environmental conditions outside of Africa. 100% this. There a bunch of studies and most of it genes commonly found are related to the immune system and the proteins that build hair/nails/skin. Really interesting actually.
Nolan Turner
Pleb. Also it's not 84% more than, it's that you have more than 84% of costumers.
Nathan Phillips
Nobody knows exactly what happened, obviously. There's no such thing as the unbiased truth when it comes to history.
Everything is filtered through human interpretation, and human writings.
Xavier Mitchell
Ay, I'd believe it. I can happily snowboard shirtless, while my negroid friend constantly takes chip damage while wearing 3 layers of thermal clothes
Owen Evans
thx famalam
Joseph Sullivan
>they were simply a different species of human Neanderthals are a meme.
They clearly can breed with homo sapiens.
Why?
Because they are a sub-species, not a different species.
They are human.
Fucking hell why do people still think they are a different species when this is not possible. They look different, but that's it.
Jeremiah Jackson
Whites/Europeans didn't aquire their higher IQ from mixing with neanderthals. They acquired it later during the ice age and living in the harsh climate of Europe (you needed to be fairly smart to survive).
A fair amount of evolution in intelligence, especially between the different races, didn't happen until fairly recently. The way the ashkenazi Jews are thought to have developed their superior intelligence was from being a part of the only religion allowing usury (moneylending) for profit. So in the middle ages Jews worked almost excursively in finance and other cognitively demanding occupations.
Kevin Evans
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Elijah Wright
Eh, it may not have been the sole factor but the neaderthal intermixing did contribute a bit.
Isaac Carter
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Ryder White
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Aaron Ward
>all i want is the ONE, TRUE, UNBIASED, unrelated with agendas and ABSOLUTE truth about the origin of humanity. can i have it? To quote ken hamm "Well, Bill, you know there's a book you can read.."
Ayden Jackson
we all come from the same 2 people, friendo we all niggas
Blake Thomas
Look up haplogroups, geographic distributions and hypothesized migration patterns. That's about as objective and unbiased as it gets.
Of all of the great apes resembling modern humans, ours is the only one that survived the last 100,000 years. In that time there were at least four others, one of which were the neanderthals which we bred out of existence.
They were stouter, had stronger muscles, had larger brains, and they had the "white" skin, hair, and facial features we are used to now. They needed more calories to survive and their larger heads made childbirth more difficult. Although they would have been smarter and stronger than modern humans there was no way for them to amass our numbers and they probably had much simpler spoken languages owing to a narrower vocal range. They could not have communicated information between individuals or generations as effectively as our "niggers."
The H. s. sapiens we know as niggers are just ancient H. s. sapiens that did not interbreed with neanderthals. As far as we know they mostly occupied Africa and the neanderthals mostly occupied Eurasia. Which is to say "humans" as we know them probably came from Africa but whites are natively European. The European mix has an altered musculature and skeletal structure as well as different brain chemistry, hormones, blood composition, etc. Possibly the most obvious difference is the neanderthal-like skull shape, but whites also have slightly denser muscles.
"Superiority" is hard to gauge but the main benefit of Europeans is that they were slightly smarter, had somewhat augmented behavior, and they acquired the wider modern human vocal range. Cooperation and communication made it possible to pass on vast knowledge and technology across generations and between communities. The most important difference from niggers is that they do not TRY to advance their way of life, they just wallow in mediocrity forever and occasionally get help from outsiders.
>why do people still think they are a different species when this is not possible How is it not possible? Explain yourself.
Matthew Russell
>Thinks history and human writings even begin to explain the origin of humanity Kek
Hunter Green
>tfw l1 master race WEW
Kevin Peterson
Island dwarfism is fucking Satan mang
Austin Parker
>One type of mixing worked well. Therefore, ALL types of mixing produce good results.
Tyler Walker
>How is it not possible? Explain yourself. Simple. They can breed.
Unless you suggest they somehow had the same DNA through other means?
Then in that case we are not part Neanderthal, we just have their genes.
Jonathan Parker
That does not explain anything. Explain how that means we are the same species.
Kevin Wood
It's not race-mixing, it's species mixing like between coyotes and wolves.
Sometimes these crossbreeds are a better fit for their current environment. As far as I know this is usually a matter of making the larger parents smaller and dumber when they were previously stronger/smarter than they needed to be. The coywolf population is currently exploding just like the human population did in Europe and Asia.
In other words it produces an inferior race that is more efficient for their environment.
Ian Edwards
This And also the fact that homo sapiens formed larger social groups than neanderthals. Neanderthals lived in groups of 10-20, whereas homo sapiens migrated in groups of around 100. It was a matter of outbreeding them, outdoing them in adaptation to new environments, and outdoing them in cooperation.
Aaron Bell
>they do not TRY to advance their way of life
To be fair, Africa is bountiful all year long, so there is no real need to advance beyond hunter gatherers.
James Allen
>inferior race >more efficient
I don't think you understand evolution, bucko. There is no "superior" or "inferior", there is only survivability. "for their environment" is fucking intrinsic to the process.
Adrian Anderson
I do understand and I chose those particular terms for a reason.
Brandon Edwards
Humanity evolved in Africa. The fossil evidence is overwhelming. That was about 200,000 years ago. DNA evidence proves that European humans mixed with Neanderthals. Fossil evidence suggests this was about 30,000 years ago.
Seeing as how the Neanderthals died out, and humans without neanderthal genes did not, I'll leave it to you to decide which species was superior.
Nicholas Thomas
>Explain how that means we are the same species. Literally the definition of species mate.
If they breed.
They are the same species.
Enough said.
But if we happen to have genes from our common ancestor and not through breeding - then it means they branched from homo sapiens, or non sub-saharans and neanderthals branched from a common ancestor that branched from sub saharan Africans.
Personally, I think we have to be the same species then - as we can breed with sub saharan africans.
Therefore, we are all homo sapiens, just with certain different genes.
Subspecies of homosapiens because we were geographically isolated.
Jaxson Long
read a book, gyro
and pay debnts
Lucas James
Your premise is wrong because that is not the definition of a species.