LOTR thread

How the FUCK did it go so right?

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There was a lot of passion from the crew and you can feel that in the films.

1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3 > 2

For starters, NOT using that god awful blur filter that they had in the hobbit can make any movie more tolerable

2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>3

>LotR will be remade in your lifetime.

Now I know why my father wasn't keen on the Star Trek reboot. DON'T FUCK WITH THE PAST, HOLLYWOOD.

Take something as simple as Saurons flaming eye, something that wasn't even in the books. They still managed to make it awesome and memorable. It's really unbelievable how every single thing went right

It won't. Tolkien's son (grandson?) or whoever owns the right to his creation said that after the hobbit fuck up he doesn't want anyone touching it.

God bless you, user. I feel much better now.

>true to the books (for the most part)
>cast and crew were passionate and had chemistry
>had years of pre-production to perfect the sets, costumes, props, script etc. (not rushed and made up on the fly like the hobbit)
>not over-reliant on special effects and technology to get shit done

>How the FUCK did it go so right?

>actually being a labor of love for PJ, his wife and their writing partner Philippa Boyens
>PJ utilizing classy "epic" filmmaking sensibilities and having a perfect grasp on tone
>New Line CEO Robert Shaye being based as fuck
>PJ & New Line having faith in the audience to endure a 9+ hour, slow burn, three year high fantasy epic
>the casting, particularly out of nowhere MVPs like Sean Astin and Andy Serkis
>WETA being hungry and ready to show what they can do
>Howard Shore's score
>Alan Lee & John Howe's design work

Personally, I have a conspiracy theory that "Hackson" deliberately made the Hobbit trilogy crap to keep any more of Tolkien's work from being made into summer blockbusters.

he actually hates the original trilogy too. Its kinda sad, he feels like all 6 movies were an affront to his fathers legacy.

>boring, dumb, overly verbose dialogue
>too much emphasis on action and battle
>too much emphasis on "honor" and """""""male bonding""""""" in battle

dont get the hype. never got the hype

Wait really? I can understand the Hobbit films but LotR?

Maybe it's because the spirit of the books was detracted somewhat by beefing up the action but that's kind of what needs to happen to satisfy the studio.

Except Christopher Tolkien is at death's door...

I'm sure we've all seen this already but PJ is done with Tolkien. He didn't even want to make The Hobbit but he had to step in or it wasn't happening at all and he payed the price for it.

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Is that Christopher Tolkien?
in The book of lost tales you can see how much he loves the universe since he added so many stuff to it. He's right that the movies doesn't have the same feeling as the books but you can't have a movie written like a book. This dude is too fucking old

It was the work of Peter Jackson's life.
I'm a big fan of this movies for various reasons and I documented myself quite a bit about it.
Jackson already had all the scenes very precisely in his mind years before even knowing he will get the chance to direct it.
He was more than passionate about it. He did an awesome job and actually hired very valuable people in every field: pratical effects, design, actors, soundtrack...

Blog time: I lived in the middle east for 4 years (father in the army). I was pretty much closed from every pop culture during this period: didn't see any movies, tv shows...
When I came back to Europe I was 12 years old. Someone gave me a shitty videotape of TFOTR and I immediately fell in love with it. Watched it 3 times a row right after the first viewing.

It's actually pretty annoying how controlling the Tolkien estate is. While I'm grateful that these movies won't get remade for a few decades (hopefully), Tolkien always intended for Middle Earth to be a more general lore that other writers and creators could toy with. The fact that we'll basically never see the Silmarillion adapted in some way, or that all of the lore out there is basically unused except for when it gets rebranded for D&D is a crime.

>I can understand the Hobbit films but LotR?

user I love the LotR series and they are FANTASTIC films but there's just no way Tolkien wouldn't have hated them as adaptations of his work.

Example: Back in the 70's there was a proposed adaptation before the Bakshi animated movie and the studio asked for Tolkien to give notes on the script. Tolkien got to the Weathertop scene and saw that it was staged as an action scene with swordfighting and such and he said "No" and threw the script in the trash. As we all know PJ staged Weathertop as an action scene as well. And also about a fucking THOUSAND other scenes that had no action in the book.

Tolkien didn't care about action or stakes or tension or any of that shit, he was essentially writing a history book that he was making up. He glosses over the battle at Helm's Deep in about two pages with all of the detail that a history book would go into on a battle. By the third minute of the climax of Two Towers he would have blown his brains out let alone by the 30th minute.

I'm okay with Middle Earth stuff going public domain, but not with it being bought by a corporation that claims exclusive rights until even after the heat death of the universe and harasses untold future generations of fantasy authors for even the slightest perceived similiarities.

P U R E K I N O

For once, I never dirtied the theatre afterwards.

It was that good.

I'm not surprised that Tolkien objected to wanky war porn.

Actors were kept in a concentration camp for a couple of years, with multiple takes and multiple scenarios, until they did it right.
CGI was also used a bit more sparringly, to enhance live shots, instead of being a main method of filming.

I can completely understand his rationale. Guy was of a different era I guess plus his war experiences would have played a part too.

>another comfy lotr thread

What went wrong?

such strategy

I feel slightly ashamed to say I kind of enjoyed the whole ringwraith punchup scene in that film. I mean it was completely ridiculous and Elrond, for some reason, has an action star quip but it was sort of neat seeing Galadriel go nuclear.

everything

COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF GOOD SCENES IN THE HOBBIT MOVIES

>An Unexpected Journey
Beginning flashback
Shire scene
Arrival of the Dwarves
Misty Mountains song
Bilbo joining the party
Azanulbizar flashback
Stuff with the trolls
Gandalf talking to Galadriel about Bilbo
Bofur saying goodbye to Bilbo
Riddles in the Dark
Thorin and Bilbo reconciling (good scene even if it completely fucked their relationship's arc)

>Desolation of Smaug
Beorn
Bilbo showing actual character development when he goes apeshit on the spiders
Thorin being sassy to Thranduil
Bilbo rescuing the Dwarves
Bard
Bilbo finding the entrance to the mountain
Smaug's interactions with Bilbo
Thorin and Smaug arguing until the stupid shit with the gold statue

>BotFA
First 20 minutes or so until Smaug dies
Thorin going bonkers
THE FUCKING ACORN SCENE HOLY SHIT THIS WAS LOTR-TIER BEST SCENE IN THE TRILOGY THANK YOU BASED JACKSON IT ALMOST MADE THIS HORRIBLE MOVIE WORTH IT
Dáin was kind of fun
Bard's militia fighting the orcs
Beorn wrecking fools in the extended edition
Thorin's death scene was
Gandalf saying goodbye to Bilbo

Anything else?

He's kind of right, too. Maybe it is the capeshit fatigue making me grow completely bored of fight scenes, but when rewatching LotR the big battle scenes are the least interesting.

It had no competition at the time

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>tfw you'll never be an elf
>tfw you are a shitty human
>tfw you'll never sail to Valinor

the film rights were sold decades ago, the Tolkien estate has no say in the matter. They only control non-LOTR works

Agreed
I know. It's sad how you will never know what happens after year 120

Yeah I sure would like modern leftist writers diversifying middle earth, good idea

why the FUCK would you want it be adapted??
we got very lucky with the first trilogy

can't you just envoy a piece of art in his original medium without wanting it to be absolutely adapted

fucking autists I tell you!

I doubt it a Silmarillion adaptation will happen, and if it does, it will probably be shitty. Here is why. In the Silmarillion, people aren't really people. The dialogues always have a purpose, there is no small talk, it's very litterary and borderline biblical, the characters don't really have personalities beyond what they do, and what they solemly declare before taking actions. It's like everytime someone says something, the stars shift. Words are measured and are worth a lot. This doesn't fit well with modern expectations. You certainly couldn't make sometime out of it that normies would appreciate, and normies are the market. If you choose to go with a TV series instead of a movie, it would have to be ruined to sell, it would need to be edgy, to be sexy, there would need to be some 21th century-like drama, some women being annoyed by how she can't do what men do, some man drinking and having no self esteem, etc.

The characters in the Silmarillion are the most boring, iron nerves people there ever was. Each of them is some sort of ultra stoic machine of nobility, honor and tradition. None of this shit would appeal to your modern tv show audience.

Please fuck off and don't ruin our comfy Tolkien threads with your whining the way you ruin the rest of Sup Forums

Thoughts on this?

It's more faithful on the whole to the books but there are some really baffling choices. It really zips along at a confounding speed to cover two books in one movie too.

I don't really like the visuals, the artstyle.

no tom bombadill tho

And the truth of the matter is that he wasn't given the time to plan out the movies like he did for LOTR. WB wanted him to keep the movies on schedule and even added a movie to make the planned duology into a trilogy.

Three years of pre-production.

Gandalf says that Tom can't beat Sauron
He's the lord of his patch, and could probably wreck Sauron (ring or not) in the Old Forest but is almost powerless outside of it.

no hidden agenda

nice try but he is right

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NO NIGGERS, ASIANS, BEANS
make an amazing trilogy with no hidden far left liberal agenda

Why didn't the first harry potter films age ass good as LotR. I seriously thought they were just as magical at the time, with amazing soundtracks and just as good special effects, and i didn't really consider LotR to be that much superior to it, just that it was cooler to see medieval warriors than it was to see wizard teens. But today they are oceans apart. I think LotR will keep on getting better the more it ages

This

It didnt OP only the first is good.

Shit tasting lotrfaggots on this board this thread almost prunned with no replies

>phoneposter
>opinion discarded

Well it didn't. The first one was good, the rest just absolutely terrible.

>WANTS to see the Disney LotR Cinematic universe
Fuck you

you should be ashamed though, you are everything that is wrong with modern audiences
that scene broke me, i was literally watching dragon ball z at that point
kys

lol the clause reads that for a period of 90 years after his death no future films will be made

Lotr also wasn't exactly a wild ride with incredibly deep characters, the point of an adaption is you get some freedom to change and add stuff.
And there's a lot of good material in the Silmarillion, beren and luthien, the tragedy of Turin, the whole Feanor shtick, the fall of Gondolin leading into the last great war against Morgoth, the sinking of Numenor.
off the top of my head

pacing and tones are all over the place, couldn't watch it again
you should give the 70's animated hobbit a look though

The Hobbit is stellar but the RotK adaptation is a complete fucking mess with a few flashes of greatness

The fact that I sat through 3 hours of CGI bullshit, hated most of it, and still managed to cry at Thorin's death shows that Peter was really dealt a shitty hand. He definitely is to blame for a lot of things that went wrong in the Hobbit movies but the overall quality of them is in no way his fault.

>tfw we could have gotten 2 comfy FotR-tier movies but Del Taco got impatient and left to direct fucking Pacific Rim

>Go north. Find the Dunedain. There’s a young ranger amongst them. You should meet him. His father Arathorn was a good friend. His son might grow to be a great one. He is known in the wild as Strider. His true name... you must discover for yourself. Legolas! Your mother loved you.

holy shit I remember watching The Hobbit followed by The LOTR cartoon and loving them both and being excited as fuck to watch RoTK only to end up so disappointed that by the time The Hobbit trilogy came out I was still too numb to care

Yeah it totally sucks we can't get a LOTR EU going. It would be so cool if every one of these characters had an epic backstory like in Star Wars.

>Bard's militia fighting the orcs
Bard's militia is the cringiest bit. Especially when that feminist bullshit happened.

You're in luck.

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>Jackson promises from the beginning that it will lead into Lord of the Rings and won't be structured the way we expect
>Everyone expects the last movie to take place right before Fellowship and be about Gandalf
>mfw we get this line of dialogue instead

>not going mobile or being a big guy
Neet shit spewing pleb

I really hate the fact that they tried to "transition" into the LOTR. That shit happened like 80 years later. Makes no fucking sense.

ITT: we try to sum up everything wrong with the Hobbit in a single image

He never got his comeuppance or redemption, either.

...

Howard Shore

You forgot literal bad poosy

He did in the deleted scenes

Aragorn wasn't even born when that line is said. It's an absolute joke.

Meh, the third movie was so lame that I found his shenanigans more interesting.

>Our order does not deal in bird shit

He was, but he's supposed to be a preteen. Not really old enough to get a reputation.

No token minorities.

That was an odd choice. The Hobbit had "muh diversity" and it's supposed to take place before LOTR. Where'd all the black people go?

Off by one

They all joined Sauron.

Aragorn is about 70 when he meets Frodo, IIRC.
60 years from The Hobbit to Bilbo's 111th birthday
17 years from Bilbo's birthday to Frodo leaving Bag End

>the only non white actors in the original trilogy portrayed bad guys

this is why we should all be thankful LOTR was made before the age of these shits

Can you imagine the butthurt if it were released today?

the age of fucking white male is over...
the age of these shits... has begun

>gondor
>white

I dont know if it was canon but Aragorn said he was 87 in two towers.

That is indeed Aragorn's canon age in the books.

>Go North, by which I mean West because there's fuck all North of here but more dragons and then more fuck all and then snow, find the Dunedain, who I know you're intimately familiar with because we both remember the entire history of mankind. There is a ranger among them, you should meet him, he's ten years old so he's still living in Rivendell. His father Arathorn was a big guy, for me, which you know already, his son may be a big guy, for you. He will be known in a little shitburg town you'll never visit as Strider, I'm not telling you his real name but it rhymes with Arathorn and he's the only ten year old human in Rivendell, probably. Legolas, your mother loved you, which of course you know because you spent thousands of years together and as we're empathic elves I don't think we're capable of not loving our children, but maybe in AD&D or Warhammer or something we'll look like assholes.

You forgot the scene in AUJ when Thorin is slowly walking towards Azog (while the dwarves are stuck in the trees) and is fully prepared for a last stand while the music is blaring. It was honestly an intense moments and for a moment I found myself in the original trilogy again.

The whole Hobbit trilogy is a waste potential of amazing scenes here and there that are cluttering with boring stuff.

Missed that line, thanks
So he was about ten

No fuck you, he's right modern left wing assholes would ruin the setting, they already did enough damage in the hobbit with their black laketown residents and blue eyed white skinned orcs.

>The characters in the Silmarillion are the most boring, iron nerves people there ever was

You clearly have never read any Old Germanic texts. Everyone's like that in most of those legends.

>implying elves didn't get the short end of the stick

They are stuck here forever.

Not really. The silmarillion is full of petty characters.

All the sons of feanor. Turin. Eol and his son. The dwarves. All of the easterlings.

fled to the misty mountains m8

back that time mr.Jackson wasn't a dumb guy only interested in money