Alright Sup Forums, why do you dislike this man so much?

Alright Sup Forums, why do you dislike this man so much?

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Jordan speaks the logical truth. No arguements here, try reddit

I think the consensus is that most people love him. He's educated, he's articulate, he's logical, and most importantly, he doesn't talk down to people.

He letteraly tells you how your brain, body, spirrit etc works. It's you thats holding yourself back. You get better at anything by doing it.

I personally think most people who actually dislike him are mostly pesudointellectual, pretentious hacks

I don't.
I'm listening one of his lectures right now.

i dont love him, but hes quite reasonable and i wish more people would teach the way he does.

Jordan "Facts Aren't True" Peterson bases his positions on a fear of nihilism.
If "God must exist because otherwise I would be a nihilist" is a convincing argument to you then you might be mentally handicapped.
Furthermore, for someone who rails against postmodernism, he certainly clings to a rather postmodern definition of what truth is.

> And then Jordan Peterson said: "Facts aren't true"

Sorry buddy but I need citation for this. Which I presume doesn't exist... And that's the difference between you and Jordan Peterson.

when you put judgement on a person, you hurt your own argument, instead of changing a mind. unless your trolling then troll away

Here you go mate

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That podcast with sam harris discredited him for me. Don't be critical of post modernism when you base your truth on "Darwinian science" and ignore the fundamental truth claim. Otherwise good psycholoist and agree that we should all pick one term for nongendered people.

I like the guy. I'm a leftist and I think what he's done is found a way to make an argument which is compelling to the uneducated right (whose opinions might be based more on feelings of "trannies r weird" than a philosophical or linguistic argument) while also making a linguistic argument about pronouns being enforced by the state that appeals to the college crowd as well as those on the left. What he's saying really isn't that revolutionary - in fact, every single leftist libertarian would agree with it, that the state ought not enforce language use. He's a pussy though for not being willing to take a stance outside of that - he wants the spotlight and so he refuses to share his own opinions on whether or not he personally recognizes the validity of transgendered peoples feelings and whether or not we should be oppositional toward transgendered people.

He's right about postmodernism but doesn't offer a solution except that it's cool to be religious which is just silly. He's basically saying "even though religion is a human invention, I'll follow it because it gives me a value system" which is still inherently postmodernist since he's not saying his value system is necessarily universal or absolute truth but just that he's willing to accept it, which I mean, every postmodernist has a value system. Just not all of them are based in adherence to religious texts, although most of them are heavily influenced by Christian values whether they like it or not.

I get the vibe that he thought he'd appeal to the "sensible center" on university campuses who support transgender people's basic rights, but are getting sick of the bunself pronoun bullshit. Instead he got picked up by intellectually dishonest alt-right summerfags whom he probably hates. When people you usually disagree with start passionately agreeing with you, you've gotta wonder whether you're on the right track.

He basically states it is post modernism to blame for our current political climate. I'm not so sure you can go that far. That and this religion throwback is nothing new. There is no solution to post modern thought other than it losing power like sophism.

Your "argument" was loaded with the assumption that a fear of nihilism isn't perfectly logical and healthy. Nihilism leads to nothing but suffering. In fact if you don't take steps to stop yourself and your society from divulging into nihilism you might be so ideologically subverted by the Marxist doctrine that you are essentially mentally handicapped.

I hear people say that about Marx alot. What did you think of capital or the grundrisse?

It says a lot when the US and to a lesser extent the rest of the West is living in a de facto oligarchy but "muh marxist boogeyman" is still the thing conservatives are worried about.

Fuck are you talkin about I love Peterson.

I think he's on the right track but there are alt-right peopld who legitimately don't have the "reading comprehension" to understand his arguments. The average education level of a Trump voter is substantially gimped and that's just a fact that the people who go through higher education tend to be left liberal. Maybe that's a result of college campuses being leftist or maybe it's an effect. Either way, I've seen videos of "jordan peterson superfans" saying that "although they don't understand exactly what he's saying and have to watch his videos a few times to really get it, they like what he's saying." A few examples doesn't represent the whole but that means there are at least a few unfortunately uneducated people out there who enjoy him for style over substance. The substance is very much in line with a very libertarian leaning center-leftist ideology. He says he'll recognize trans peoples pronouns if asked nicely in a way that's not just propped up by SJW ideology.

Well, he's managed to fleece stupid people out of about $50k a month on Patreon, so well done to him for that, I guess.

I find it impossible to take him seriously, though. His whole 'gender pronouns are a slippery slope to Stalinist gulags!' schtick is just silly.

They want a king and queen like england.

He is everything Dawkins wishes he could be.

>Alright Sup Forums, why do you dislike this man so much?

All the child touching allegations did not help.

>trusting allegations from liberals

It sounds like you have been deluded into thinking that destroying western civilization with Marxism will somehow end some oligarchy and will restore power to the people to control their land. What you don't seem to realize is that every time Marxism was properly implemented in any civilization ever (Soviet Union, Mao's China) you got a REAL oligarchy and 100's of millions of people were killed by the totalitarian state. This happened in conjuncture with the fabled "1%" that Marxists cry about taking everything while the 99% were left sleeping on planks and standing in bread lines for food. You have been indoctrinated by forces of evil you have not yet begun to understand.

Have the Marxists gone nuclear and started with fake pedophilia smear campaigns already? They must be really afraid of him.

>mfw people still use 'Marxists' as some kind of boogeyman.

Christ, people are stupid as fuck.

Everybody take note of this post. This is how a Marxist "argues". Note how there has been zero evidence or any coherent point presented. Marxism can never win a battle of ideas because it is not based on reality or logic. Instead of presenting arguments they will make statements that are predicated on the assumption that they have both the moral and intellectual high ground and they don't even need to explain why. All they need to do is make it appear as though they are right and anyone who would dare to oppose them is so stupid that they don't even need to present a logical coherent argument to refute that person. They do this because if they were ever in an arena where they had to logically and coherently present their idea it would be exposed for what it really is.
The person who made this post was more than likely not some mastermind who was even aware of what they are doing or why they do/believe the things they do. They have spent their whole lives being indoctrinated though television, educational systems, and Hollywood which have all been corrupted by the Marxist doctrine.

>thinks cultural marxism isn't real

Whew lad. Hope that blue pill tastes good.

>swallowing porky propaganda this hard

nah, i just made it up ;-)

(or did i?)

Well this thread turned into a dickslapping swordfight awful quick.

You Yanks need to chill out a little about Marxism and socialism. Socialism ain't a dirty word, baby

Once again. Look at the post hereand apply it this post. It is the same thing.
Nothing coherent has been said. Just the predicated assumption that the Marxist had the moral/intellectual high ground but never even needed to explain why. They couldn't explain why if they were forced to and that's why they are reduced to these incoherent and illogical "debate" tactics.

Peterson's popularity is precarious since he's embraced by alt-right retards looking for any intellectual to sanction their blanket "other" hatred (the same way liberals use light skinned black women to hide behind), which puts an unfair target on him (e.g. "this guy was retweeted by a white supremacist reeee"), but the guy's obviously rational as fuck and very interesting to listen to and I hope he has real staying power. This is the type of intellectual young people *should* be listening to. He not only presents ideas in a clear, comprehensive manner, but he makes you challenge your own beliefs. The only criticism I'd lob at him is his super intensity could turn some people off--but I couldn't care less how he presents his ideas.

Dude, any system of rule leads to some form of oligarchy. It's best to not be some kind of dipshit self-identified ancap/pinko/freemarketfag and understand that people are inherently selfish and will take advantage of every system. While there are plenty of people who sit around on their fat asses sucking off the govt teet complaining about "muh opreshuns", there is indeed a trend of those in power working to hoard as much of that power (and money) as possible while keeping it out of others' hands. This is at face value not the worst thing ever, but whenever they're not dumping it back into society and instead piling into Scrooge McDuck money vaults on clandestine kidfuck islands, then society's progress stagnates and the cycle of... class warfare -> indentured servitude -> uprising -> war -> new assholes in charge...repeats itself.

>inb4 capitalism isn't bad because we don't have real capitalism we have crony capitalism
>inb4 true socialism was never enstated anywhere

>t. messy room

>alt-right retards
>their blanket "other" hatred
oh the irony

>arguing like a Marxist

I wasn't arguing. I was just pointing out your cognitive dissonance and lack of self awareness.

I legitimately agree with everything I've ever heard him say. I don't know what you mean.

Everybody take note of this post. This is how a Marxist "argues". Note how there has been zero evidence or any coherent point presented. Marxism can never win a battle of ideas because it is not based on reality or logic. Instead of presenting arguments they will make statements that are predicated on the assumption that they have both the moral and intellectual high ground and they don't even need to explain why. All they need to do is make it appear as though they are right and anyone who would dare to oppose them is so stupid that they don't even need to present a logical coherent argument to refute that person. They do this because if they were ever in an arena where they had to logically and coherently present their idea it would be exposed for what it really is.
The person who made this post was more than likely not some mastermind who was even aware of what they are doing or why they do/believe the things they do. They have spent their whole lives being indoctrinated though television, educational systems, and Hollywood which have all been corrupted by the Marxist doctrine.

>Needs to resort to copypasta to argue

Oh dear

>getting so triggered by a post that you copied a post that I wrote earlier (which presumably also triggered you) to use as your own argument.
Just because you are confused of the situation and can't seem to follow coherent thought processes, let me explain it to you...
You called a certain group of people "alt right retards". The "alt right" was a term coined by Hillary Clinton during her presidential campaign to be used as a blanket term to classify a group of people (ones who dared disagree with her) as the 'bad guys'. She could call them "racist, sexist, deplorable etc" because she wasn't talking about individuals, she was just referring to the blanket term. This, in the mind of a Marxist, gives them the right to say whatever they want about these people because Marxists don't believe in individuals, they only believe in group identity. They have labeled all dissenters to their doctrine as "alt right" to give themselves the moral/intellectual high ground and say whatever they want because that group are now 'the bad guys'.
Then, after using the term "alt right", in the exact manner in which the Marxists created it to be used you then want on to accuse them of "blank "other" hatred" which is exactly what you were doing. Not only is it the essential crux of how the Marxist argues it is the exact thing you are doing. In the same sentence you disregarded dissenters by giving them a blank term created by the Marxist doctrine you also accuse THEM of resorting to blank hatred. It was one of the most hilariously ironic posts I've seen in a while and my statement of "oh the irony" was meant to encapsulate that. But obviously you have a low IQ and were not able to grasp my point and now here I am drawing it in crayon for you.

Pseudo Intellectual

Jordan Peterson is the father figure millenials needed but never got

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Marxist user here. I personally love the shitstorm that starts every time some poor faggot makes one of these anti communist or Marxist threads. Gives me a chance to see just how upset I’ve made everyone and chuckle a bit. You think jokes about proletarians or Trotsky bother me? It just goes to show how much power any random Marxian holds over you, they can pull your complete attention away from a topic just by dropping some dialectics.
Sure, you’ll act tough and cynical here, but we all know it’s just a desperate overcompensation for how much of a doormat you are IRL. If you decide to lash out and act a bit fascist now and then, I can’t really complain.
After all, we do pretty much run the show.
Alt-rightists rely on us, work for us, spend money on us, and buy us houses and cars and clothes, sign prenups that we can turn around and cash in when we feel like ditching them for the means of production.
Got a business with a girl? Don’t fool yourself, it’s the state’s business, not yours. Piss them off and they’ll take it and leave your ass, and you can pay them a nice chunk of progressive back taxes and reparations for the rest of your life.
Yep, this is the power Marxists holds over you. So you go ahead and make your red jokes, really. I still know that when you see me on the streets you’ll be watching, getting hard, and probably crying a tear or two because you know you’ll always be a forever alone faggot.

>LARPing and projecting at the same time