Athiesm vs religion. continued

athiesm vs religion. continued

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Both are fucking stupid.

Religion has less angsty arrogant immaturity.

you're just this girl in disguise
it's the same thread

I told you that, by science time has point 0. and you are making philosophy out of this

In the book of Judus, Jesus pushed a kid off a roof.
Was taken out of bible because bible to help cull masses against violence.
If your guna read the bible.
Read the whole thing.

I dunno man, Muslims seem pretty angsty, arrogant, and immature to me.

Those books about Jesus as a bad fairy as a kid are fucking litttt

Both are stupid but you are one or another. You either believe that there is a God or you don't

Huh?

Someone could argue that you can believe in a god yet not have a religion. It's possible to not believe in a god and yet have a religion after all.

Atheism and Christianity is cringy as shit

All religion was made my sand people because they knew fuck all. Yahweh kills people and encourages slavery. The original ten commandments where all about false idols and one about boiling a goat in milk. In the bible it says how to investigate a murder, basically you get some old people to murder livestock and say it wasnt you.

Scientology wasn't made by sand people. It was made by a sci-fi author.

It's just the total lack of evidence that gets me.
If I had never seen an apple or evidence that apples existed.
I would not believe existed.
I have never seen evidence dragons exist.
So I don't believe in dragons.
I have not seen evidence of god so I do not believe it exists.
Just seems foolish to run on feelings and what others tell you. People believe in ghosts and dragons. That does not make them real.

Really? Scientology is a cult, without arguement. Atleast muzzys can claim theh follow a religion

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infancy_Gospel_of_Thomas

What's the difference?

You already said that.

All religious texts are part bedtime story, part history book, part protoscientific guidebook, and part whatever the editors of the time thought was necessary to keep certain people in check for one reason or another. Religious traditions based on these texts function as a way to make the community stronger to ensure its survival from within and without, create a consistent system of daily life to make everyone feel comfortable, entertain people for a short period of time, and maybe, just maybe, actually bring about some kind of positive change (this last one was a higher bullet point in the past).

While religious teachings shouldn't be entirely disregarded, today's religious followers are pitiful with regard to how many more hurdles they force themselves to jump over in order to rationalize holding onto what are obviously obsolete beliefs. They also do a great disserve to the positive aspects of religions by insisting that those aspects must ONLY be implemented in society within the context of the specific religion in which they're found. They make those positive aspects look bad much the same way tryhard edgelord fedorafags make atheism look bad to religious people.

Anyone giving money to these religious institutions are the worst offenders because they're doing so without being coerced and they are directly propping up these institutions which should otherwise be phased out to allow something better to take its place.

Also, politics are a new form of religion and that should be stated on a daily basis to prevent the type of government worship we see growing today. The people who engage in this are even worse than the dipshits freely giving money to religions.

Most people ik put it simply as 'the cult leaders know its bullshit and started with no intent or thought that it is real' sure you can argue jesus started it as a cult but given the trend of religions in early days id say they truly beleived it

Well it comes right to it you either have Theist religions (Religion where there is a God/Higher power) and Athiest Religions (Religion with no God/Higher power). Then you got some Nonreligious Athiests and Theists.

Is Mormonism a cult or a religion?

Its bullshit

If religion got rid of higher powers and after lifes and just presented it as a way of life, a group of teachings and examples on how to live, then id be for it.

How about we just leave it somewhere in the middle?

Dont most just consider themselves or a form of christian? Just someone broke off to make the retard group

K, I'll make some calls to see if they can change it so you can come too. I'm sure they'd love to have you.

I'm sure you have heard this before.

DNA is evidence of a creator or designer.

It is a language.

DNA can change shape to adjust to the enviroment.

This is a system that cannot just accidently appear. Rocks, water, and special material cannot write a language ever.

I'm sure there's a couple of Athiest Religions like that. Just be sure to pay the $50 entry fee

Im sure they would, ive got a tight asshole.

you are right, and DNA is not a language

The only difference between a cult and a religion is the number of people that join.

What a rip off. I know a guy who for $5 will let you join aaand give you a pill which lets you enter the "REAL" reality

>DNA is evidence of a creator or designer.
False.
>It is a language.
No, it isn't.
>DNA can change shape to adjust to the environment.
Rocks are shaped by the wind.
>This is a system that cannot just accidently appear
Not designed does not mean accident. DNA is a consequence of physical laws.

The difference between "cult" and "religion" is merely the definition we give to each. Both are cut from the same cloth and lead to the same results. One is just more popular than the other, usually. Both are filled with hypocritical followers, both have leaders who take advantage of their flock, both can have some positive effects on everyone involved, and both usually lead to the society in which they are found being dragged down in a way that stalls real human progress.

>DNA is evidence of a creator or designer.
no
>It is a language.
no

It is a code and indeed can be interipeted. It is a representation of something else.

A building's blueprint is the building on paper while the building is the structure. Both represent the actual building.

I can look at your DNA and say this is .

Thanks for the porn

ok, still not a language

>cannot just accidentally appear
Why Not?
Because its complicated?

My parents told me i just accidently appeared

no, language is always designed.

There are no examples of accidental languages.

Crystal structures represent crystals. That does not mean they were designed.

Then you don't understand what a language is.

except that every human language is accidental and not designed

The universe is infinitely complicated.
Have you ever heard of gravitational waves, dark mater, random mutation?
DNA doesn't just change to fit the environment.
It changes at random and those with useful random mutations spread more seed.
Iether because they live longer, have more sperm in their jiz or a whole host of other factor.
DNA is a string of molecules that reacts with other molecules.
DNA does not change because your DNA decides to be better.
DNA changes from parent to offspring through random mutation.

If you can't explain it.

kek

There is nothing that is a crystal blueprint though. Those crystal formations can be easily explained by enviromental reasons.

DNA cannot. The most simple form of life still requires a code to make it even work.

You can take all the material of life and put it all in place but it will not be alive ever, it needs the code. it needs the code to be on as well.

It is designed. At one point, someone turned sounds into recognizable letters that represent the spoken words.

All code that we have seen created was created by humans. Therefore, DNA must have been created by humans from another dimension.

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I like this guy.

The best part of this whole "language" argument going on is that regardless of whether DNA and other such systems governing our reality are emergent properties of some weird, uncaring universe or designed specifically by some kind of greater entity, it doesn't matter because we will probably never actually know that answer and we certainly have never gotten even a hint at what that answer could really be. Religions are still bullshit institutions that prey on the more easily led, less critical thinking idiots in society and no matter what good they do, there are a million better ways to do those same things without also having to play adult pretend.

DNA can change shape in the living species. When a virus infects an organism, the DNA will change to combat the virus.

Changes do occur from parents to offsprings yes and random changes do occur. No arguement there.

>There is nothing that is a crystal blueprint though
There is, the crystal structure. It will determine how the crystal forms.
>The most simple form of life still requires a code to make it even work.
The most simple form of life would be a replicating molecule. The "code" would be the life.
>You can take all the material of life and put it all in place but it will not be alive ever
I don't think you can actually justify this claim. If you take all the material of life and put it into the proper environment, I would expect a non-zero chance of life forming.

plausable point.

check out Jordan Peterson on youtube

If you are religious, I envy your dedication and willingness being traits often possessed by driven people. Most atheists are in fact nihilists because they lack the attention of people and it leads them to a point of self realization and lack of empathy. I hate that the two are so often debated because I feel there is good philosophical discussion to be had regardless of theistic standpoint.

If doesn't matter then why are you in this thread?

God is only "omnipotent" to the extent that God could stop maintaining the Creation. But it appears that God took a set-it-and-forget-it approach and has left it up to us to make the world a better place.

For example, the Creation contains quantum randomness. This is necessary to give us free will.

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This is some pretty good trolling, user.

what if there is a reason that man cannot see?

>implying we can control quantum randomness
ayy lmao

atheism is a belief system therefore
>religion vs religion

thats just silly

Oldfag here. When did you guys realize it is pointless to debate this topic?

thats not true. you could just not give a shit since it has no barring on your life

The argument still holds. Either evil doesn't exist, or god lacks one or more of those traits.

High quality bait
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But i know

it's lack of belief, so no.

What do all atheists necessarily believe?

you are a special kind of stupid.

your belief is to lack a belief in an omnipotent being that has been presented to you by man.

its a belief no matter how you want to argue it.

I was 12 and in church
The priest thought it would be a cool idea to question his child audience why people believe in God, etc
I had the answers
Drug abuse
Homelessness
Poverty
Arrogance
Ignorance
Hatred
Lust
Greed
These are the reasons people want a heaven or a hell
They kicked me out

no it's not. I lack belief in presented relgions, I'm not saying that there is no god.

you really should be looking up the definition before you write ignorance sir

its still a belief, and ideology, therefore its a religion.

How very christan of them.

look up definition of religion

you dont type like an oldfag

He returns only in summer

You just went full retard
We gave you the chance to say you were just trolling and you respond with another big shit post

You cannot "believe in no belief"
Go back to elementary school

We're not arguing we are explaining why you are wrong

'a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance.'

that makes atheism fall into the definition of religion.

I find this very comical, you want it to be a troll so bad and yet you have no way of making a true rebuttal. so you lash out with name calling, how cute.

you have yet to make a valid explanation why I am wrong.
ProTip: You cant

By that definition, watching TV is a religion.

Christianity is full of fascism if you actually read the damn book
Or just Google about it since most religious people don't really know how to read well

Would love to see this on One Minute Melee/Death Battle.

what kind of retared definiton is this. My studies, job, family, those are also relgion by that definition.

user do you believe in a God, even in tge slightest?

Do any atheists or anti theists make exceptions for non-historic religions? For instance one of the major schools buddhism does not believe in a creator good. In fact the belief system involves a worldview very similar to the many world's quantum physics theory.

Weapons grade retarded

Sorry auto correct I meant non theistic religions not no historic

How did you mother feel about this?

if it's non theistic then it has nothing to do with atheism

have you ever heard the saying "I follow that show religiously" ?

underrated dubs

dafaq's your point

dont ask me, I dont write the definitions. I go by them.
you cant just make up your own definitions here to fuel your argument.
fact>emotions

Stop replying to this thread.
There is a reason why religion still exists and it's prime examples of stupidity like this idiot here

I see you like to call people names, but its hard to have a conversation and make a valid rebuttal.

thats okay though, I dont blame you for your handicaps

comprehension on simple things is not your strong point I see.