Why the FUCK did they not just fly the ring to the mountain

Why the FUCK did they not just fly the ring to the mountain

The nazgul had flying wyverns.

Not to mention they would've gotten rekt before reaching the pit and handed the ring to Sauron himself.

Besides the eagles didn't give a fuck because it wasn't their war. Seriously.

Why the FUCK don't the just fly the football into the endzone?

>Not their war
Then why did they help gandalf?

Why not just drop the ring into the ocean?

True

because sauron would have conquered middle earth regardless

But the Eagles do give a fuck, they showed up to help all the time. And if the wyverns are such a problem why didn't they BTFO the Eagles when they show up at Mount Doom anyway to save the midgets?

they liked him

the ring had some bullshit luck factor to where even if you cast it in the middle of the sea it would use the tide and eventually end up on the shore exactly where someone would find it

Because they're giant, sentient eagles birthed by the leader of the Valar (the chief emissaries of God) and aren't beholden to any trial that men or elves might face. As as has been said multiple times before, they don't necessarily care.

They answered Gandalf's call in the end presumably because they realised the peril the whole of Middle Earth would face with a resurrected Dark Lord. iirc, their original purpose was to watch over the elves of Middle Earth during the Elder Days, when the children Illuvatar (God) lived under the threat of Morgoth, and his chief lieutenant, Sauron.

Wouldnt Sauran see you if flew up to his tower and volcano on a huge loud egeal?

In the book the eagles almost get torn to shreds by the nazgul and are only saved by the destruction of the ring. Infact the entire army is saved only by that.

Which begs the question, why didn't sauron launch that entire much bigger army at minas tirith sooner.

Because God didn't want to do everything for mankind. The they did this once and mankind and elves grew complacent and fucked everything up. This is why Gandalf can't just fireblast the whole orcish army, he can only guide mankind. The eagles are the servants of the lesser gods like Gandalf. The free people of Middle Earth must solve this problem themselves.

The eagles only intervened when Gandalf nearly failed his mission by the machination of another Maia (Saruman) and once the quest was done (bailing Frodo out.) God only directly intervened when mankind is against something it can't possibly deal with, such as with the Balrog (who is on the same power level as Sauron and Gandalf.) The rest is something man can, and should, do themselves. The coming age is their age, after all.

If they dropped it they'd never be able to find it again.

>can make all powerful magical rings
>can't make eagle quieteners

Put the ring inside a heavy box that can't be moved by tidal forces.
What is Sauronman gonna do then huh? Order all the orcs drink the seawater until they can see the box?

He waited thousands of years for the Ring to be found from the bottom of a lake, he can afford to be patient. The Ring is sentient, it will find a way to somehow be found.

>Balrog (who is on the same power level as Sauron and Gandalf.)

That's not entirely clear. Sauron was very powerful for a maia, bordering oon being a vala and even melkor couldn't to illusions as well as him.

Sauron has like millions of human allies and most of them are pirates and coastal people from the south.

Sauron would see them coming

In a thousand years Rohan is going to be driving around in tanks so who cares?

Sauron is an exceptionally powerful maia, but he is still a maia. He doesn't stand a chance against a Valar. That said, he could do illusions better than his master because his master was cursed by the elves. So was Sauron too, after his betrayal of Numenor he can no longer take a fair form.

In a thousand years there would be no Rohan or Gondor left.

What would happen if they took ring to the Undying Lands?

Then it's up to Shire to finish the manhattan project

Manwe would tell them to fuck off.

It would be destroyed by the hands of the gods. But it's much easier to go to Mordor than the Undying Lands. God made the earth round so that people can't just cross the sea to the Undying Lands anymore.

The elves had nothing to do with that. It was clear that if sauron dies in his fair form, his human form, he loses it forever. That's why he gave the keys of tol sirion to Luthien, so Huan doesn't rip his throat out.

kek

Because they had to destroy it.
Throwing it in the ocean would only make it be lost.. But maybe forever. Sauron would still exist.

the point was to sneak in without Sauron noticing what they're doing.

Frequent flyer points an sheit.

TURN OFF YOUR BRAIN ITS JUST CHILDREN'S FLICKS

This.

Perhaps he sent the original army with the belief they would take Mina's Tirith, and the second army would be the expeditionary force to begin invasion of the rest of Middle Earth.

Caution. Sauron wasn't sure of what levels of resistance he'd face and he knew the ring was moving according to someone else's will. He only sent out his main army when he thought aragorn had the ring.

t0ppest of keks

1. The Eagles don't want to
2. It's not safe to trust them with the ring. They're not part of the fellowship
3. Arrows
4. Flying nazgul
5. The watchful eye of Sauron

These are literally brought up in the book

>watchful eye of sauron
Put the ring in a Hellfire missile in the bomb bay of an F-22 and fly it in that way

UH UH BECAUSE IF U DISABLE THE MOTHERSHIP ALL ENEMIES LOSE THEIR SHIELDS OR POWER OR WHATEVER IT'S LIKE INDEPENDENCE DAY

you think people in these threads actually read?

you think people in these threads don't know that and are asking specifically because they know that?

Las águilas no son taxis

right, except when the plot needs them to be

>God only directly intervened when mankind is against something it can't possibly deal with
The top God of the Lotr universe intervened and caused Golem to slip into the volcano with the ring.

Lets face it, Tolkien was a hack. He probably intended to kill alfred and samuel after they destroyed the ring, but being the little faggot he was he had to make them live because he didnt want to end that tale of homosexual lust, so he half assed the eagles bullshit and expected people to not notice how fucking retarded and pointless the whole book was. Thats the only answer other than "b-b-b-b-but the nazgul! b-b-but sauron would know!" As if he would fucking notice anything if the eagles flew there at night

I fucking despise this meme because 5 seconds of googling will tell you otherwise. Every normalfag who seen the movie poses this question as if they are some sort of genius for figuring out the major plot hole in the greatest fantasy literature to ever exist(not my opinion before you shit all over me).

Heres why
1. Sauron would see them
2. Mordor is filled with orc archers
3. Nazgul would rip them to shreds
4. Eagles don't give a fuck really and were busy.

>But user why did they help in the end and were actually successful?
Sauron was defeated which caused
1. Mordor to start to crumble
2. The orcs to lose their minds and flee in terror
3. The Nazgul to lose their powers and freak out

The eagles were doing Gandalf a favour.


Anyways who really gives a shit, Tolkien was shit at storytelling but a god at world building, languages, poetry and songs. Lotr is about that, who give a fuck if freeda dropped the ring into the volcano it is about the journey.

Whenever I see a thread like this, it's not different from GoT and their dragons.

The only acceptable answer

>Muh shekels

fun fact: its a maymay because people like you keep responding to it.

>Sauron was defeated which caused
>1. Mordor to start to crumble
>2. The orcs to lose their minds and flee in terror
>3. The Nazgul to lose their powers and freak out

hurr we just have to upload a virus into the mothership then all the troops stop functioning

>yfw tolkien was a roland emmerich tier hack

When Sauron made the One Ring he invested into it much of his power. He and the 9 Nazgûl were tied to the fate of the ring. Once it was destroyed the Ringwraiths were killed and Sauron ceased to exist in the temporal world.

I'm so fucking tired of this shit the Eagles couldn't fly to mordor because flying over unknown enemy territory would be suicidal

so if sauron "catches a cold" uhm if you will, all the other bad guys are disabled! brilliant!

Stop acting like he didn't weave that in to the lore from the start.

What? No
Sauron's armies aren't killed, they just leg it
The big hole swallowing them all doesn't happen in the books

>shitty lazy copout endings are okay if you establish the reason early enough

Sending the eagles mean that the fellowship are going all in, since the odds is basically 50/50, you either be successful destroying the ring, or the enemies rekt your shit and they get the ring, bringing about the end of the world

They could have just gone there and asked Aule to smite the Ring real hard. Like, with a hammer or something.

why would I read the book if I can just watch the summarized kino version of it?

epic

They are already dead by that time. The moment Sauron goes away, they leave the world. They are supposed to be dead, and all dead humans leave the world, never to return.

Because they're literally a deus ex machina

Why the Fuck didn't the Eagles take them past the mountains? I get all the bullshit about how they couldn't bring them directly to Mordor but they walked for fucking months. They could have brought them closer so they wouldn't have been like half dead by the time they got there

they are birds.
birds have a fucking shitty personality

lol

The Ainur can't create life.

Why didn't Frodo eat the ring so it could get digested in his stomach?

it would come out of his dirthole again

because six movies make more money than one

many shekels will be saved

The ring is like a big red light for Sauron, and he has a Palantiri. In the books he's not this retarded eye thing on a tower, he's an actual body in Barad Dur, looking in Minas Ithil's old Palantiri.

The concept of the Palantiri is not explored much in the movies, but if you want to know more there is one of the Histories of Middle-Earth book that has a whole chapter on how they work and how many existed, etc.
You can see from other Palantiri, but you can also look in any direction, through walls and shit, over ridiculous distances (only the master ones can do that iirc, and Minas Ithil had a master one, they are the size of an amphora, basically)

If you send eagles over Anduin, pretty sure Sauron would have seen them, and from that point you got flying Nazgul on your hands in the following hours. I doubt eagles would take such risks, and if they did, it's still too risky for the fellowship, it's a shitty plan. They weren't that desperate yet.

Probably because they would have seen that shit coming and rushed all their biggest baddest fuckers up the mountain to guard it while the Nazguls fucked the eagles. I never understood this complaint, especially in the movies where there's a giant floating eyeball in the middle of Mordor. You don't think he's gonna see the fucking eagles coming for him?

>sauron sees eagles miles away
>seals the volcano entrance

GG KIDZ

It wouldn't be lost. Remember Osse, the eternal manchild who almost joined Melkor? Yeah.

>I never understood this complaint
People get this idea from the movies, because in the movies the eagles are fucking giant, they even look bigger than the fellbeasts.
If the eagles were portrayed right (much smaller, basically horses with wings) it would seem clear the fellbeasts would win that fight. Just look at how one of them wrecked Theoden's shit when he was riding his horse.

>Alfred
His name was Frederic, you dumb.

>The Ainur can't create life.
Aulë created the Dwarves, fag.

They had no soul in them, they were like clay puppets that only moved when he willed them to. Did you forget about the part where Eru tells him to destroy the Dwarves but had already given them true life in the meantime, so they cower when the hammer is about to descend?

Books explains it. Their nests were under attack so they could not divert enough eagles to successfully reach mount doom

Why didn't they take the High Pass through the Misty Mountains instead of going through Moria?

sure they didnt have free will but it was still life however you put it

Haven't you watched The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey 3D in IMAX my friend?
Turned out the High Pass led over the body of giants that were actually made of mountains, whoa! Needless to say, they had a fight and the path tumbled into oblivion.

Because "Frodo, This is a sneaking mission"

Because the only thing the Fellowship was concerned about was STEALTH.

You idiots get so caught up in the time that flying would have saved you don't even stop to ask if time was a factor. It wasn't. If it was the Fellowship wouldn't have dragged their feet leaving Rivendell, or have taken a solid month's vacation in Lothlorien.

It was absolutely imperative that Sauron be given no indication of his enemies' plan. If he suspected what they were up to he would have taken the relatively simple step of sealing the entrance to his forge, something he hadn't done because he (correctly) believed that the temptation of the ring would be absolutely overpowering in his forge, the beating heart of his magical power.

Also, the ring couldn't simply be dropped into the caldera. It had to be unmade IN THE FORGE.

It's because the eagles take it easy. Frodo and crew were already gone, and the eagles don't typically act until there's a peaceful easy feeling, which wasn't possible with the ring present. The eagles are skittish, and they considered that the ring gave Frodo so-called lying eyes. Despite that, the king of the eagles, a desperado, said "One of these nights, when the witchy woman sleeps, I will take it to the limit. I'll be a midnight flyer, and by the tequila sunrise, I'll rescue Frodo and give him the best of my love."

That eagle was brutally killed by the other eagles, because he broke the rule to "take it easy."

I don't know, does an automatic floor cleaner have life?

>thread says exactly why this wouldn't work before you even posted

>this fucking thread

>whole point of the story is to destroy the ring and stop Sauron
>Hobbits destroy the ring and it stops Sauron
DUDE WTF

painfully underrated

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You can point out bullshit in fiction all day. It's meant for entertainment, not to make sense or have meaning.

1. the ring has a will of its own. this means that either the eagles would be corrupted by the ring and you have evil eagles now, or the ring would be accidently dropped.
2. nazgul and sauron would see it coming
3. eagles dont get directly involved

And see, stealth was important because if a demi-god sitting at the top of a magical skyscraper who possesed at least one magical telescope amd had spies on every corner of the world knew that his ring were approaching his volcano he would have either 1) mind-fucked the eagle into bringing him the ring (which he may not have even needed to do because the eagles, being sapient, were susceptible to its influnce) 2) made his volcano erupt 3) NOT made his armies camping around the etrance to the mountain move away 4) released the eyries of fell beasts he was breeding and the Nazgul 5) manifested himself into a flying bat monster or something (which he had done but in this case it's not certain that he had the strength yet to take physicsl form).

Now stop asking this forever.

>Ring corrupts everything, the stronger the being, the worse they become when corrupted
>Give ring to eagles, massively powerful beings

Alternatively
>Make the eagles carry Frodo
>Eagles want dat ring
>Drop Frodo from the sky and get the ring from his mangled corpse

the movie had a weird ending to saurons forces. theres a strange hole that only sucks the bad guys away that makes your argument or comparison to independece day or whatever correct. in the book the orcs just get scared and rout which is not a copout at all. seeing baradur fall is a huge morale loss and orcs fight from fear of sauron not loyalty

What the fuck did i just read?

>God don't want to intervene
>Lesser gods and their servants can't intervene
>Mortals need to solve the problem themselves
>Meanwhile all the problems are caused by a lesser god and his servant in the first place

The faggots there wouldn't let it in. Elrond says this

Sauron, being a literal god, pressed his will onto his minions at all times. He was always at the back of their minds. When he "died", they felt his influence vanish and routed. This is the established lore.

Every imagined copout you people think happened in the story was added to the film's by Jackson out of laziness, like with the ghosts showing up at the Pelennor fields, or Treebeard being tricked into attacking Saruman.