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>the obama REGIME

So glad I don't have a daughter.

Good! I think transgender people deserve the same rights and services as everyone else. I would like to see their medical treatments covered by federal insurance desu.

Please... for the love God, please tell me this isn't real??

>US Orders Public Schools to Allow Transgender Access to Restrooms

"Gender identity" is a fucking joke.

Anorexia? "Mental illness, you need help."

Jumper on a ledge? "Mental illness, you need help."

Old person wants to kill themselves with a doctor's help? "Suicide is wrong. That's unethical."

Heroin addict? "You need prison or treatment."

Want to cut your penis off? "It's their body they can do what they want."

Why has the entire world gone fucking insane?

Trannies already have access to restrooms.

You mean their elective plastic surgery?

Transgender surgery needs to be banned for being unethical. The surgeons that perform it are unethical. These butchers will literally do anything for money.

Every insane person who supports trannies, or men showering with women, or men being in the same bathroom as little girls should be forced by gunpoint to watch this video:

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>it's unethical cus it upsets muh feels!!!

>under 6 months left

jesus christ

Cutting a guy's dick off is not unethical? Then why was Lorena Bobbitt arrested?

Do you think Nazi Human Experimentation was ethical?

If I got sking rafts from a dead nigger and passed myself off a nigger, do you think that's ethical?

The only people whose "feels" are getting upset, are mentally deranged retards who don't know what the fuck X and Y chromosomes are.

Despite the obvious butchery involved, post-op trannies are also 20 times more likely to suicide (if you actually care about their well-being, which I know you don't.)

Is that picture supposed to be some kind of counter-argument?

John Money coined the term "gender role" in 1955. Much of feminism is a rejection of traditional gender roles. But for some strange reason, people started confusing "gender role" with "gender" itself and started nonsensically claiming that gender IS a role, that gender is a performance, that gender is behavior. Meaning if someone changed their behavior they could change their gender, which is bullshit.

Aided and abetted by postmodernist philosophy and concepts like social constructionism, people in academia have had their head up their own ass for decades, and since "gender studies" isn't a real science, there have been a lack of real scientists calling them out on their complete and utter horse shit.

I could accept an argument that masculinity and feminity are a spectrum, but that is not gender. Sex is gender, gender is sex. Humans are either XX or XY. Put that on restroom doors for all I care.

Edge cases like XXY or hermaphrodites still don't support the idea that gender is a spectrum. Artifically injecting hormones can allow someone to be more masculine or feminine, but they still can't change their chromosomes.

In the future, if someone used CRISPR/Cas9 genome editing to change the X/Y chromosones in every cell in their body, someone could transform, but that doesn't mean gender is a spectrum.

The whole idea of "gender identity" has no more relevance than some teenager trying to find their "identity." I could accept an argument that all "identities" are social constructs, meaning gender identities are also social constructs, but that is different than gender, which is not abstract, it's biological.

That's a dude wearing women's lingerie. Just because you wear women's lingerie doesn't mean you get a free pass to the girl's bathroom. That's fucking retarded.

Sorry you've been on the Internet so long that you think tranny porn is normal. Sorry you've desensitized yourself to so much porn that you can no longer get aroused by the opposite sex.

>post-op trannies are also 20 times more likely to suicide
That's literally not true.

Let me guess, you're quoting that one study that everyone from paul mchugh to average shitposters misinterprets by ignoring the demographic data that shows that the group after 1989 showed no statistically significant difference from the rate of the general population.

Yeah. I am.

Just because some mentally ill faggot bingewatched all of Nip/Tuck doesn't mean he gets to use the women's restroom.

but it is a Mental illness and has a treatment. it's called Hormone treatment

Yes. I think governments should pay for the transgenders to transition.

>King Obama commands schools to do something
>Schools say "no, we'd rather decide for ourselves on this issue"

What happens?

Students stage walkout protests to stick up for their trans friends.

It's funny because john money's work and the david reimer case was supposed to prove that gender identity is mutable and therefor trannies choose to be how they are but it actually showed the opposite, that gender identity is inset and unchanging.

Intersex disorders simply show that there is in-between room in sexual expression due to errors in development, thus the name intersex.
Similar differences in the sexual dimorphism of the brain might explain trannies and gay people and even more femminie men/masculine women to some extent.

thats like saying the treatment for suicidal tendency is suicide

They get lawsuits and lose federal funding. Liberal schools wont go through with this.

Remember when States Rights were a thing?

Certain states encourage this behavior. Schooling should be on a county level.

except doctors take care of your health on the whole process, and the treatment it's the most effective to give the patient a most stable mental health to be productive and live in society.

if there were other meds to cure that they will give them.

This nigger trying to do as much damage as he can before he hands over the whitehouse?

It actually was covered until sjw radical feminists teamed up with religious conservatives gave political opinions to override medical policy with fear-mongering and moralizing and with federal coverage gone private followed and is still slowly recovering.

>Huh this sounds interesting, might as well look it up.
>Myths about Transition regrets: Huff Post
>Trannys aren't mentally insane: Transadvocate
>My Anus is bleeding: Reddit.
I don't know why I bothered.

try this sexchangeregret.com/

What have the cartels been putting in your water, jose?

Different disorders can have different treatments, for trannies the only treatment that at all turns them into functional members of society is transition.
A therapy or magic pill treatment would be great but it simply doesn't exist.

Pro-tip: you've shared a restroom with a trans person already and the universe didn't end.

Should governments pay for your new nose? Stupid women who want a bigger ass? For Joan Rivers to get her throat scraped?

It's fucking cosmetic surgery, nothing more.

It's true, gender is unchanging. "Gender identity" is a fucking myth, it's literally a belief.

And most trannies aren't hermaphrodites anyway.

So you saw a couple liberal sites in your search results and got triggered and abandoned trying to educate yourself at all about a topic? Is that your usual policy?

Try looking up the actual study and looking at the data.
That's what you should always do when you're discussing research so you actually know what you're discussing.

>"Gender identity" is a fucking myth, it's literally a belief.

[citation needed]

Smoking pot would probably put someone with gender dysphoria more at ease than fucking hormone treatments.

"I want to cut my dick off"
>Go ahead! It's your right!

"I want to smoke this plant"
>You belong in prison!

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Don't really get why you people care so much. Just go in the fucking stall if it bothers you that bad.

I meant a peer-reviewed scientific paper, not someone's anti-transexual blog.

It's a cosmetic treatment that's extremely effective at reducing their mortality rate, more so than many other treatments that you don't sperg out about because they don't trigger your feels about the degenerates.
Medicine works by best results.

President can't do jack shit, schools are state level only on things like this which is why common core isn't in every single state
Government can only make suggestions

Then why can't they just use the bathroom that corresponds with their actual gender? If it's not that big of a fucking deal, right?

Have they tried smoking pot? It works for veterans with PTSD, it works for people with chronic pain, it works for people with depression.

To say that transition is the only treatment for trannies is bullshit.

That's like saying the only treatment for people with God complexes like L. Ron Hubbard or David Koresh or Warren Jeffs is worshipping them like a God.

People say that people with anorexia have a mental disorder.

Why is starving yourself condemned but chopping your dick off is celebrated?

>Let them use the restroom they want
>NO!

>Allow me to rephrase that: let them use the restroom they want or get your own funding.

I identify as a koala, where is my bathroom you bigots?

Solid post.

Are you all unaware of the hilarity this is going to create? If this backfires, and it will, the explanations will be spectacular.

I was poking fun at the immediate damage control, to the point that 3rd party sites come before the actual studies. Calm your autism m8.

Except the suicide rate increases.

>It's a cosmetic treatment that's extremely effective at reducing their mortality rate
You mean their suicide rate, evidence of which you have not posted?

If they regret it and want to detransition, should we pay for that too?
Should we start paying for an ever increasing list of body modifications that are supposed to "improve the person's mental well being?"

Because their retards that don't know any better. I didn't make my post to try to defend trans people in any way, but the fact that this is actually a 'political' issue right now is retarded. I can almost guarantee that most people in this thread have been in the same bathroom as a trans person and didn't know it.

> i'm born a man and I think im a woman because of muh feelings

Why are you mad at this, though? This is a good thing...
Now schools will not be able to do anything if a guy walks into the girls bathroom and just pulls his dick out for lulz

>Dat slippery slope fallacy

Man, look at all those people that married dogs after homosex marriage was legalized.

Honestly user idc anymore, about their suicide, most trans are liberals anyways.

I don't get why LGBT wants this so bad?

if they pass it wouldn't be a problem before these laws. Now creeps have an excuse and can just say they are trans

>literally a blog
Are you fucking serious? I could not care less about this pointless fucking issue, but learn how properly support your arguments

This.

When Chad identifies as womyn that day and bathroom orgies happen it will only make more comedy for us on Sup Forums.

>"Gender identity" is a fucking myth, it's literally a belief
That's literally what the reimer case was supposed to show, that there is no inset gender identity and if you switch stuff around people will adapt to the situation and be fine, and it failed spectacularly.

"True hermaphrodites" are incredibly rare but there is a wide range of different intersex disorders. They are about as common as trannies based on the data we have but there are probably even more since most intersex people don't realize that they are until they have some health problem or some sign is noticed by accident while treating something else.
There actually is some overlap of trannies and people with intersex disorders but anyway the point is that intersex disorders show that there is room between the sexes due to abnormalities and we know that there are sexually dimorphic regions of the brain that have been observed to be different in some trannies.

there are so few trans people..I doubt I ever have

In my dog's ass, apparently.

>why LGBT wants this so bad
Because there is resistance, that is literally the only reason. This is a non-issue that the right has turned into an issue by pushing back. People can use whatever the fuck bathroom they want; it literally does not matter

>Man, look at all those people that married dogs after homosex marriage was legalized.
>automatically assuming people who are against publicly funding gender transition surgery are also against gay marriage

But, totally, just like when people said it was a "slippery slope fallacy" that people would start to pour out and defend/justify pedophilia. Glad that's not happening at all either. Ha ha.

As a male I can say idc much about the things that enter my bathroom, nor do I care what independent wymyn deal with. They are by majority liberal, and genetically senseless beings. I'm tired of caring about this issue user.

Protecting chillins
Protecting wymyn
Protecting the mentally ill.

This whole spiral will crash and burn on its own, we can spare the energy and just laugh when it does.

Also want to point out that if this 'movement' does end up going through women will finally start feeling creeped out and hate trans people. Even the extreme progressive women may feel creeped out by having a guy play dress up just to use their bathroom. This might not be as bad as some of you think because it could potentially get women to finally recognize that trans people are just disturbing mentally-ill creeps.

They've tried just about every treatment under the sun from sex-affirming hormones and conversion therapy to electroshock and anti-psychotics and transition has been settled on as the best available option.
Also plenty of trannies seem to smoke weed.

>To say that transition is the only treatment for trannies is bullshit.
I mean you could treat them differently but it's the only thing that has been shown to be empirically statistically effective.

>Why is starving yourself condemned but chopping your dick off is celebrated?
Because transition is extremely effective at reducing the mortality rate of trannies but allowing anorexics to starve themselves has a very high mortality rate.
Different conditions can have different treatments, it's whatever works not what seems like it should be right to you.

I love gore videos and even seeing this is unnatural.

His reactions to it are probably the most disturbing thing. He's ecstatic that someone is mutilating his genitals... and he's paying them to do so.

He will never be a woman. Gender is not a social construct, it is a physical construct.

The only people who should even be allowed to undergo such a surgery are hermaphrodites who've been psychologically proven to be more female than male.

>I am just like you and this is no problem just ignore it goy

hmmm rare shill tactic, interesting.

>Also want to point out that if this 'movement' does end up going through women will finally start feeling creeped out and hate trans people. Even the extreme progressive women may feel creeped out by having a guy play dress up just to use their bathroom. This might not be as bad as some of you think because it could potentially get women to finally recognize that trans people are just disturbing mentally-ill creeps.

This is so true.

Gentlemen, lets stop protecting them. I think enough is enough. The women in the US deserve a "trans" person straight out of the illegal detainment facility.

The liberal schools deserve the lawsuits.

All we have to say is "told you so".

This is like a vacation.

You need to get off the internet, bro. Pedophilia is still a hated thing in the real world. Well, outside Utah.

>matching their gender identity
>only two bathrooms
What the goddamn fuck, Oblammers?

Intersex people exist, neurological dimorphism exists, hopefully you can connect the dots.
No inter-species condition exists.

>empirically statistically effective.
>still waiting to post stats though

>it's 2016
>obammer just said i can use the women's bathroom if it matches my gender identity
>go into the women's bathroom
>no one can discriminate against me or they will be arrested for aggravated bigotry in the 2nd degree
>even though the bathroom "matches my gender identity", i am still 100% attracted to other women like myself
>go into a stall next to a cutie while she takes a big dump
>mfw obammer just made it totally legal for me to hang out in stalls while attractive women take big, fat, piping hot dumps around me

what a time to be alive

Anorexia has a treatment. It's called eating less so you feel skinnier! It doesn't matter if you already resemble an Auschwitz survivor, just eat less!

Bulimia has a treatment. It's called purging so you don't feel fat! It doesn't matter whether you're actually fat, just purge!

Transgenderism has a treatment. It's called hormone therapy. It doesn't matter if you're biologically a male or female, just pretend you are!

>same rights as everyone else
Already there, user. Every transgender freak with a penis can use the men's room, same as normal people with penises. Same for transgendered freaks with vaginas and their normal counterparts; all are free to use the women's room. Equal rights for all.

I can kinda understand why "damage control" could be needed when every moron with a keyboard and hate-boner for trannies parrots the same statistic based on ignoring the actual data of the study, you know to point out the data they're ignoring.

Pro-tip: Trannies have already used a restroom that corresponds to their biological sex and X/Y chromosomes and the universe didn't fucking end.

That's actually pretty damn convincing at first glance.

Fucking science is getting to close. What next shoulder reduction and vocal cord surgeries , so we can never tell the difference!

Cool empathy, bro.

>Pedophilia is still a hated thing in the real world
I know it is- but, the argument has, at least once, reared its head on Gawker.

>Well, outside Utah
And various secret societies, especially in Europe.

I have 2 trans friends
literally both of them have lamented about having lost MULTIPLE members of their community to suicide in the last couple years.
When you consider that the average person has maybe one person they personally interact with commit suicide in their whole life, but that it's just an accepted part of the trans community, you don't need a study to know there's a problem.

I know people who won't full transition because they're afraid they'll hate themselves after it.

So what your saying is that if I don't have any traceable evidence of me being born a male then I can claim myself as a female and just walk into the girls restroom whenever I want?

>Taking Gawker seriously

I found the problem.

Ever heard of identity theft? Identities can be stolen.

Can you steal someone's gender identity? No, because it's fucking make-believe, it's a belief. Like a homeless person who thinks he's literally the second coming of Jesus.

Stop enabling people with mental disorders.

>you know to point out the data they're ignoring.
>you know, the data I keep referencing but have yet to post.

That's all trannies can go in. The fucking stall.

The federal government sues the school
the school wins, because literally the only thing they can punish them with is taking away federal funding, and that has to be done by law, not executive order, since it's appropriations.
There is literally nothing Obama can legally do.
Besides, if he makes some order, he'll be gone before it gets implemented.

Please post your degree in psychiatry/psychology as well as your peer-reviewed research on the subject.

No hurry, I'll wait.

Gawker's turned over more than $100 million already this year

God fucking dammit, this whole argument is so stupid it makes my head hurt.

>let anyone use whatever restroom they want cuz feels, BY LAW
It's so easy to troll it's not even funny. I'll walk into the ladies room sporting my full beard and a budweiser t-shirt and get everyone in an uproar because nobody can do shit about it

>everyone has to use the restroom that matches their genitals BY LAW
So what are you gonna do, post some nigger in a white tux outside of every restroom who checks your birth certificate before your allowed into any public restroom? Expensive and impractical as fuck.


Fucking government should have just sat this one out. Just go into whatever bathroom you look like you should go in, this isn't fucking hard. And fuck all of you for giving this non-issue the time of day when there is way more important shit to worry about.

No. These trans bathrooms are single occupant. You can't just walk into a woman's bathroom

You and I both know Gawker doesn't pull shit out of the air- in order for the author of the article to even feel like it was appropriate to argue, there had to be existing social conditions conducive to reinforcing his feeling that he was right.

Gawker posting stupid shit isn't the issue. It the people, on the publishing and receiving end, who think it's true.

SJW consider gender and sex two different things

sex is what your born as (chromosomes)

gender is what they consider social norms for the sex

more like you got a problem
obama wont stay for long so just try to endure and fuck off

and it all goes to Hulk Hogan.

Yes it does fucking matter, i do not want some freak mentally ill man in the same bathroom as my 10 year old daughter.

Really? I'm the one sperging out? It's trannies that are.

I'm the one who's triggered? It's trannies that are.

I'm the one worried about feels? It's trannies that are.

I'm sure Botox is effective at making old hags not want to kill themselves, but that doesn't mean they instantly became 20 years younger, "trans-age-al."

Plastic surgery is not medicine you fucking idiot.

A man feels like a woman? Smoke a fucking joint and chill the fuck out.

Trump doesn't care so Sup Forums will defend this