>Hannah Diamond > Grimes I've never seen a bigger trolling in my life. How the hell that terrible singer (not even musician) is better than Grimes? Also how Elizabeth Fraser who just sings is better than Grimes, who is a complete artist and producer?
Jeremiah Jackson
good list
Liam Nguyen
It just sounds way way better and cooler. Plus, Hannah is clearly WAY hotter.
Landon Long
> 9999 artists >get triggered over fucking grimes
lmao Sup Forumspleblord
Adrian Ramirez
thank you. I like a lot of other stuff too of course but wanted to do like my arty / dreamy girl list ranking.
obv I'm trolling the grimesfags with grimes at the bottom like that. I actually quite like her. but wouldn't compare her to many, many of these others.
Michael Cox
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Easton White
>It just sounds way way better and cooler. It sounds like shitty PC Music. That gimmick genre has no future. Art Angels is pop music done right not that shallow crap which is not even catchy.
Bentley Walker
you MUST be joking.
Justin Ortiz
>obv I'm trolling the grimesfags with grimes at the bottom like that. So, you just admitted that you're trolling. Are you aware that right now your thread is against the rules?
Jordan Reyes
actually, it's very very sincere. as close to accurate of rankings of my take on their value as possible. I might as well rank Grimes that way in respect to the others if I'm trying to be honest. as far as listening habits I probably listen to her more than many others, if that makes you feel better.
by trolling I simply mean that I do in fact like Grimes, but you will just have to accept that one can be a fan and not rank her the highest. nothin' personal.
John Young
what are the criteria for this list? It's pretty vague. As for fraser, making up her own nonsense language is a little autistic, user. Take away that glorious guthrie guitar sound, and what your stuck listening to is the tape of only linda.
Wyatt Thompson
I fixed the rankings:
Grimes > Bjork > Kate Bush > Joni Mitchell > Delia Derbyshire > Laurie Anderson > Elizabeth Fraser > Stevie Nicks > Sky Ferreira > Zola Jesus > Siouxsie Sioux > Julia Holter > Joanna Newsom > Hope Sandoval > Alice Coltrane > Nite Jewel > Elysia Crampton > Maria Minerva > Grouper > Vashi Bunyan > Virna Lindt > Julee Cruise > Nico > Tina Weymouth > Laurie Spiegel > Julianna Barwick > Buffy St. Marie > Colleen > Pauline Oliveros > Inga Copeland > Puro Instinct > Geneva Jacuzzi > Diva Dompe > Linda Perhacs > Diamanda Galas > FKA Twigs > Laurel Halo > Holly Herndon > Pharmakon > Jenny Hval > Hannah Diamond > Yoko Ono
This is it.
Luke Taylor
the criteria is art music girls and ethereal girls. if you're familiar with most of the artists you should see the connections.
but you're criticizing Liz so you have no wherewithal as far as art goes so nevermind.
Luis Martinez
What would be her real position in your top? Right after Hannah Diamond like in the first version you posted in another thread?
BTW you missed Lisa Gerrard of Dead Can Dance.
Blake Gray
ah, the pleb's ranking. *tips fedora extravagantly*
That's patrician's ranking, bro. Grimes is secretly the most patrician female artist.
Isaac Baker
Yeah, more or less. Many of these in the middle or bottom can move around depending on what day you catch me on, or what I'm ranking them by.
Good call on Gerrard, ty.
Wyatt Rivera
>grimes last It looks like you're trying to make a statement: "I fucking hate her because I'm a deluded idiot who is influenced by her insistent fanbase". Gotcha!
Asher Butler
9/10
Lincoln Hernandez
???
James Stewart
Next time I post this list she'll probably be somewhere in the second half again. But the fates decided on her coming last this time.
Levi Davis
Nah, her music is very bad
Zachary Hughes
Close:
Elizabeth Fraser > > > > > > > > [ Lauren Mayberry in white panties sitting on my face while eating my cum and calling me 'big brother' ] > > Joni Mitchell > Stevie Nicks > > > > Bjork > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Bush > > > Elysia Crampton > Virna Lindt > Laurel Halo > > Julee Cruise > Linda Perhacs > Laurie Anderson > Alice Coltrane > Tina Weymouth > Siouxsie Sioux > Nico > Pauline Oliveros > Laurie Spiegel > Delia Derbyshire > Buffy St. Marie > Hannah Diamond > Sky Ferreira > Maria Minerva > Grouper > Zola Jesus > Julia Holter > Joanna Newsom > Julianna Barwick > Holly Herndon > Diamanda Galas > Yoko Ono > FKA Twigs > Mazzy Star (Hope Sandoval is central to it, so...) > Vashi Bunyan > Jenny Hval > Inga Copeland > Pharmakon > Puro Instinct > Geneva Jacuzzi > Nite Jewel > Diva Dompe > Colleen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > """"grimeth""""
Angel Anderson
This but with Wata from Boris at the top and Björk in second
Ryan Morales
not everything is a conspiracy grimesfag
Landon Wright
great taste pham
Liam Jackson
she makes bad music
Parker Ramirez
>elysia that high
suprisingly good taste i seriously think shes the most important artist of the 10s
Levi Hernandez
thank you, I think through this stuff very thoughtfully. I'm actually not fucking around with that list.
Ryan Jenkins
yeah i fully admit that art is not my strong suit, dolly parton writing a song about mud just for her performance at glastonbury is my idea of art
not him but it's more enjoyable to listen to, certainly. Grimes' voice is annoying.
Julian Russell
No. Both these tracks made me want to shove crochet needles through my eardrums.
Jaxson Walker
Seriously, what do you find so enjoyable about that shitty song? I can't find anything remotely good about it. >Grimes' voice is annoying. She song is more than her voice.
Nathan Allen
for the record I haven't listened to any of these before but the first one was heaps ahead of the other one
Logan Smith
for fucks sake idiots ignore him another thread devolved to grimeshit
Ethan Rogers
>She song is more than her voice Sure, but her voice takes away any qualities that the song would've had anyways, and the instrumental isn't interesting either. At least the first one is fun. Please stop shitposting.
Joshua Richardson
>zola on that list >that high >above hope Sandoval
Chase Walker
>Please stop shitposting. (You)
Samuel King
Please get off this board and never post here again.
Jaxon Jenkins
>uses "tuneless" as a pejorative
Grimesfags confirmed to be absolute musical PEASANTS
back to the suburbs with you, plebfaggot
Anthony Carter
Fiona Apple is highly underrated around here desu
I have to be loyle to one of the greatest singer songwriter voices of my generation
Robert Reyes
some pretty weird comparisons here, musically
Jeremiah Ward
>Elizabeth Fraser > > > > > > > > [ Lauren Mayberry in white panties sitting on my face while eating my cum and calling me 'big brother' ] > >
This really is the only way that Lauren Mayberry actually figures into any of this, tbqf.
William Flores
All of it is either art music or goes into dreamy / weird / atmospheric places. That should be pretty apparent to anyone familiar with them all.
She's not weird enough. Like I like Carole King too but she doesn't belong in this list, where Joni with her wyrder stuff and way of holding the notes in that stoney way clearly does.
Like, considered putting Karen Carpenter who is huge for me but her music is weird and atmospheric BECAUSE it is trying to be extremely normal.
Also juggled with Missy Elliott, another big one for me. Would definitely put he in a list of innovators and all-timers, and perhaps she belongs on here, but something I can't quite articulate kept her off this list. Probably due to the nature of her more normal stuff... operates in a consciousness that is too... I dunno, Lil Kim or something. Which is also very weird and super shiny and hyperreal stuff can figure in here but there's a kind of porn-consciousness that some of that rnb stuff comes from that I think is a different spiritual entity.
Brandon Nelson
>self appointed "patrician" Wow, you're really mad. Are you touchy because I insulted your favorite bullshit song? BTW patricians and plebs are just memes, sweetie. You fell for the CLT memes.
Connor Taylor
> no Anita Lane criminal
Leo Johnson
> not rating Nina Simone and Sade
Nathan Price
I considered Sade. she's a good choice, and I love her.
I love Nina but she didn't fit the character of this list. more of a soul thing. I love Billie Holiday too but again, doesn't fit here. it's not merely an all-time female list.
eh.
>self appointed Life / reality appointed me your better, young man.
Jason Phillips
Yeah, I meant to knock her way down as I added others on, good eye.
Nathan Smith
>Nico that high
Literally why. If this is just based on voices, she can't fucking sing.
Asher James
I agree on liz but how tf is nico or yoko above vashti bunyan nigga?
Aaron Thompson
I love Vashti but never understood people who were like "omg changed my life"
As I think I said earlier, once you get past the top row and half of the second, these get more interchangeable for me, and I understand how much any of these can attract or repulse people. Nico is definitely very polarizing.
Caleb Williams
take away john cale and nico becomes pretty mediocre
Ayden Sanchez
>Stevie Nicks that high
Nah. I mean she's a good performer and she wrote a handful of pretty damn good songs, but that's about it. If she had the same accomplishments but was a dude she wouldn't be notable at all.
I love Liz Fraser but putting her that far beyond Joni doesn't make a ton of sense. In singing alone, maybe.
Andrew Roberts
>list has Elizabeth Fraser >no Dolores O'Riordan >Stevie Nicks that high nice meme pleb
Jack Smith
>no imogen heap
nigga
Cameron Roberts
You might have noticed I didn't decidedly put generic shitty alternative rock and simple indie rock on the list. Dreampop or shoegaze is the closest I'll go to that shit usually.
Also, >not worshiping Stevie
Christopher Garcia
*decidedly didn't put
good call. she belongs somewhere in there probably.
James Davis
>The Cranberries aren't dreampop are you fucking serious my dude
>worshiping Stevie kek
Brandon Gray
Steve Nicks is the meme, go-to choice for women who need a musical idol that isn't Britney. She's the equivalent of women who "in an ocean of Kardashians," want to "be a Marilyn," not realizing that Nicks was basically just Dolly Parton with a band, a notion that has been further obscured with the passing of a generation.
Nathan Brooks
sometimes idols are idols for good reason. not getting Stevie's greatness is a much shallower, meme position than understanding that whatever surrounding impressions you might have socially or culturally shouldn't matter as much as the impact of her work
Mason Ward
It's not that she isn't great, it's just that she's kind of the easy/convenient choice.
Everyone knows her or at least her songs, so you can talk about her at any juncture without confusing people. It's easier to tell people you're a Stevie Nicks fan than a Laurie Anderson fan.
Her best and most iconic songs are relatively straightforward but don't engage the brain in any meaningful way.
Might be one of the more well-rounded choices, but there's nothing worth worshiping, just admiring maybe.
Dylan Sullivan
>it's just that she's kind of the easy/convenient choice.
Shouldn't even figure into it. Metatextual, constantly shifting bullshit. Either Nicks is brilliant or she isn't (she is with Fleetwood Mac, definitely).
Carter Parker
She isn't. :( With the Mac you've got to allow that she had an above-average guitarist interpreting her prose in song. She's one of the only ones in the thread that isn't doing double duty. Nicks only sings, she's not contributing to arrangements, production, or playing the instruments 95% of the time, even on her solo albums. Good at the one thing she does, but that's about it. The aura can't make up for the rest in my book.
I'm being forgiving too.
Kayden Phillips
>Diamanda Galas that low lie
Nathaniel Edwards
What the fuck is this garbage, this clearly is meant to troll people who hate Grimes since you just put a Grimes-like artist at the top over actual amazing ones like Siouxsie Sioux, Diamanda Galas, Yoko Ono, Laurie Anderson, Buffy St. Marie, Pauline Oliveros, etc.
Angel Reyes
>The aura can't make up for the rest in my book.
Really? I feel aura and grain of voice and persona and all that is part of the genius / talent / it-factor with a lot of artists, a big part of what makes the music what it is. And she writes her songs, and has her own very distinct and influential style that is basically an archetype at this point that she defines better than anyone.
Getting into the nuts and bolts of arrangements and production don't matter to me. Women are social creatures, often work in reactive, enmeshed ways, and that's fine. I like the 'elemental', 'bodily' product that comes out of it.
And anyways, sometimes an artist knows what they are doing and want and then work collaboratively with a producer and arranger to bring it out. Even The Beatles had their George Martin. You don't have to do it all.
Luke Peterson
>not regarding Liz's genius / voice with reverence, awe, and holy terror
Zachary Jones
Where's Lisa Germano?
Juan Morales
She's highly overrated and not even the best part of her band. I like her a lot in her best stuff but I'm not some stupid waifufaggot.
Nicholas Evans
>She's highly overrated stopped reading
Liz can't possibly ever be "overrated".
Henry Howard
Yeah, I mean, the criteria for the thread wasn't well-defined. Joni Mitchell, Kate Bush, Laurie Anderson are do-it-alls. Liz Frazer, Stevie Nicks, and Tina Weymouth are specialists. Bjork, Diamanda Galas, Joanna Newsom, and Yoko Ono are somewhere in between.
If I'm rating them on presence, Nicks wins. If it's overall vision/trailblazing ability, or just holistically on every factor, Joni. Creativity, probably Bjork. Vocal ability, Fraser.
Carter Hill
Please kill yourself as soon as possible
Aiden Smith
NEVER!
Oliver Torres
Name a band with a more consistent discography than Cocteau Twins, other than The Beatles.
Luke Jenkins
Where the fuck is beth gibbons? Karen dalton? Angel olsen? Weyes blood? Jessy lanza? qt3.14 with red hair from lush?
>She's highly overrated I love her but have to agree that she's at least a little bit overrated. >not even the best part of her band This is true though. Guthrie's guitarwork can get absolutely staggering. youtu.be/ijDrNshmn2c?t=8m20s
Jackson Cooper
>since you just put a Grimes-like artist at the top over actual amazing ones like Siouxsie Sioux, Diamanda Galas, Yoko Ono, Laurie Anderson, Buffy St. Marie, Pauline Oliveros, etc. Both Liz Fraser and Grimes are MUCH better than those artists you mentioned. And more distinctive too.
Hudson Morris
Liz Fraser is not overrated at all. In fact she and her band Cocteau Twins are heavily underrated, especially these days. She's known by a select few; the masses are completely clueless about her and her band.
