I'm a Trump supporter, and I just sort of assumed that Sanders would lose because people keep saying he needs 90+% of the remaining delegates. I ended up looking into it and it's not that simple.
You need 2,383 to win the Dem primary. Ignoring superdelegates. Sanders has 1433 while Clinton has 1716, a difference of 283. There are 1052 delegates left to allocate, including unallocated superdelegates. If Sanders gets 50% of the remaining delegates, both he and Hillary will be well within the range where either could be nominated if the superdelegates collectively supported them. Note that superdelegates can change who they support at will, like what happened with Obama in 2008.
It's likely that Hillary will have more bound delegates going in to the Democrat Convention, but Sanders polls better in the general and has won 19 of the last 25 states. Considering this, I think there's still a chance that he will be given the nomination, particularly if Trump starts polling ahead of Clinton in Florida/Ohio/Pennsylvania over the course of the next month, or if it looks like the email thing is going to explode.
Do you think that Sanders would actually be a more dangerous opponent to Trump, or do you think he would collapse when people learned how much he will increase their taxes?
Absolutely not, sanders general polls are as useless has kasichs generals polls and Clinton brings out the minority vote, sanders only appeals to white people. The super delegates will definitely not change their support. That being said, the better he does, the better it goes for trump
Adrian Jones
There's a chance but only if super delegates support him.
Hillary should be damn ashamed that she's been in the public eye for 30+ years and is just hardly beating sanders in the public vote by 10%. No one knew sanders a year ago and look how much support he has compared to a longtime name.
Brayden Bailey
>getting BTFO by a 102-year-old communist Jew
Are Democrat voters just straight-up retarded or is Shillary THAT bad?
Jackson James
>Could Sanders actually win
Technically yes. Practically no.
It's really that simple. You have to believe he'll win far higher than he polls and that Hillary despite having immense ties to the establishment somehow loses control of the superdelegates.
Bernie's campaign knows it's over; they're shutting down offices left and right, their volunteer numbers are down, donations are down..
What are you expecting here?
Maybe if Hillary falls down dead?
Gabriel Powell
>Are Democrat voters just straight-up retarded or is Shillary THAT bad? both
Eli Roberts
Many registered Democrats are voting AGAINST Clinton in the primaries, not FOR Sanders. She could be running against a rock and they'd vote for the rock.
Julian Cox
3,000,000 votes is way more than 10%, kiwi.
Jayden Watson
>like what happened with Obama in 2008. Yeah, because Obama is establishment, and was actually beating Hillary at the ballot box.
>particularly if Trump starts polling ahead of Clinton in Florida/Ohio/Pennsylvania Sanders is barely polling better than Hillary in these states.
>Do you think that Sanders would actually be a more dangerous opponent to Trump, or do you think he would collapse when people learned how much he will increase their taxes? A Sanders nomination would simply decrease the risk of a Republican landslide. As per the above point, he's fucked in the important swing states.
Matthew Edwards
>Could Sanders actually win the Dem nomination?
no.
the system's rigged and the evil bitch is bought and pad for. crooked hillary is getting the nomination and she is going to be embarrassed by donald trump when he wins the presidency in a LANDSLIDE victory.
the socialist lost. it's just a matter of time before it's made official. start coping.
As the Swede said: >Technically yes. >Practically no. He hasn't been mathematically eliminated like Cruz and Kasich were, and if he won all the remaining States in landslides he could possibly secure the nomination. But he likely won't win all of them, let alone by the margins he needs. His only real hope is that Clinton is finally indicted or has a stroke again.
And polls regarding the general are meaningless this far out from November.
Brody Kelly
Ive never disagreed with a rock
Nathan Richardson
>I'm a trump supporter
You Sanders shills need to try harder before you make these threads shilling for your retarded socialist jew.
Cooper Miller
Very wise, Japan.
Bernie trashed talked the establishment too much. The Dems are even more corrupt than the Republicans. Whoever they want as a candidate will be their candidate
Plus Sanders is a batshit loon
Julian Sullivan
I don't think Bernie would be a threat to Trump. He'd be a far more honest candidate than Hillary though.
I've gotta say though, looking at the numbers, it really does look like the establishment and the media are working overtime to make it seem like he has no chance, when in fact he still does.
Ultimately, Bernie is a cuck, but it's not fair to see them doing what they're doing to him. The key difference here between Trump and Bernie, and why Bernie is a shit candidate, is that Trump beat the establishment head on while Bernie refuses to attack and just bitches out left and right.
David Peterson
>indicted AHAHAHAH
Levi Anderson
The only way Sanders could win is if Hillary dies or gets arrested.
William Nguyen
Did Bernie even attacked her furiously? There were moments, but I doubt it really did lasting damage to her compared to Trump's attack.
Lucas Mitchell
Approx 10% of delegates, I didn't know the votes number. But still, for an unknown going against someone known by public is a big achievement.
Parker Wright
It's about a 50/50 toss up but I'd say she not going to be
Ryder Parker
>Do you think that Sanders would actually be a more dangerous opponent to Trump
Yes. Not only do the dude free shit lmao people outnumber us, most of them are also highly likely to switch over to Trump out of spite or for anti-establishment reasons.
Benjamin Mitchell
It's still a possibility, and in an ideal world she would be, but we don't live in that world.
Aiden Howard
Bernie is just the left wing version of Ted Cruz. They both appeal very strong to a sizeable minority of the population, but will never win a majority.
Henry Fisher
>Not only do the dude free shit lmao people outnumber us Sander's support is not nearly as numerous you think it is, it's just that nearly all of his supporters have a very active web presence.
Luke Taylor
Clinton has a 94% chance to win commiefornia, I can just see the Sanders fax machine exploding from printing all those resumes.
Luis Reed
Idk. Too many bernouts are convinced Trump is a fascist even though none of them can tell you why
Eli Adams
Unless your math skills are on a kindergarten level or you're an autistic r/sandersforpresident faggot. Sanders was virtually eliminated after his loss in New York. The delegates are handed out proportionally and even if he won the supposed holy grail they consider California to be, unless his margin is in the range of 80%, which it won't be, he' has no chance of catching up with Clinton. it's over. Done. No amount of shilling, shitposting, whining, or cutting yourself will change facts.
Ayden Watson
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Camden Hernandez
All his supporters are like 15-16 y/o. That's why they believe his magical tax policies and the racist Trump meme
Landon Baker
The only thing Bernie can do, best case scenario, is drag out the procedures at the convention via costing Hillary a first ballot win; forcing them to go to a second ballot vote, at which point hell will break out and Hillary will openly and sadistically crush Sanders and his ilk like bugs to make an example out of them to anyone left in the Democratic Party who might dare oppose Queen Hillary.
But that assumes, Hillary will allow such a humiliation to even happen.
Ten will get you twenty, that Hillary's going to rig the convention from the getgo. She'll most likely force the nomination vote to be the very first thing that happens at the convention and ramrod, rules and protocol be damned.
She'll call in every marker she has, every favor owed to her, and use every threat of retaliation she can evoke (which is a lot, given that the Clintons are notoriously vindictive bastards with long memories) to get that first ballot win.
Then, once she gets the nomination, she'll do the same with Obama and the Feds; basically pulling every favor she has built up, every marker she has extracted (in this case, reminding Obama of their corrupt bargain from 2008/2012 where she agreed to allow Obama's ascension in 2008 and then let him use Bill Clinton to campaign for him in 2012), to kill the indictment specter hanging over her head.
This will most likely manifest itself as Obama pulling a Ford and pre-emptively pardoning her for her various sins, Obama's legacy be damned. It will probably happen immediately before the convention, to send a message to everyone Hillary's going to threaten and strong arm, to get in line or else.
Dylan Mitchell
I think what Sanders need to learn is if you want to destroy a corrupt powerful system then don't advertise about how are you going to destroy that corrupt system before receiving the power to do so.
Adrian Morales
There was a time when I thought all the bad shit about Hillary was just stuff the gop was throwing at her. Turns out it's only the tip of the iceberg with emails and Bengahzi. Even liberals know she's bad fucking news and we are going to go balls deep back to the ME if she wins.
To put it simply, she's a cock sleave for globalists and the war industry. And an incompetent cocksleave at that.
>This will most likely manifest itself as Obama pulling a Ford and pre-emptively pardoning her for her various sins That would literally be a nail in the coffin for her bid for President.
William Davis
I don't think you read the OP. Let me quote the part you should read >It's likely that Hillary will have more bound delegates going in to the Democrat Convention, but Sanders polls better in the general and has won 19 of the last 25 states. Considering this, I think there's still a chance that he will be given the nomination, particularly if Trump starts polling ahead of Clinton in Florida/Ohio/Pennsylvania over the course of the next month, or if it looks like the email thing is going to explode. It's most likely that neither Sanders nor Clinton will be able to win without the support of the superdelegates, but both will be within range of being given the nomination by the superdelegates. It's likely that the gap between Clinton and Sanders will still be present, but I would imagine that it will become smaller, if only slightly. The delegate gap is important, but not the only factor in deciding the nomination - this was pretty much Cruz's argument as well, saying that 'Trump can't win the general' so he'd stay in to grab the nom with fewer delegates. If it becomes clear that Clinton is losing steam (which would require something changing in Trump's favor over the next month or so), I do think it's a possibility that they'll go with the 'stronger candidate' despite the small delegate gap.
Aaron Scott
can't the superdelegates just switch sides?
Levi Stewart
if i dont believe in it, its not there
Easton Howard
>despite the small delegate gap. It's not going to be a small gap.
Camden Jenkins
Before the Onion got bought out it used to be funny and not a democrat shill rag
James Nelson
Most of the super delegates don't think Sanders deserves nomination based solely on the fact that he's only runing as a Democrat because it's convenient. He has contributed nothing to the party prior to the primaries and hasn't earned his stripes, so to speak. Establishment Dems look on him with the same disdain the RNC does Trump. Super delegates might not even support him if he wins the pledged delegate battle.
Brandon Jones
>Ignoring superdelegates That was your first mistake. The Democrats have a rigged system to make sure their pick makes it into the nomination. Those super delegates aren't going anywhere and it would be a huge mistake to think so.
Bernie Sanders has only done well in states that are going to vote blue regardless of who the nominee is, Hillary has done well in actual battleground states.
Carson Thompson
>it used to be funny and not a democrat shill rag Wrong on both accounts.
David Wright
>that she's been in the public eye for 30+ years i.e. the media has been digging dirt on her for 30+ years. How the fuck do you even think of that as an advantage? If bernie gets the same treatment he's not going to fare as well as he does currently either
Noah Green
Superdelegates are party insiders They're not going to vote for the independent loser. They're not going to vote for the guy with far fewer popular votes. You know why Obama won? He got all the blacks. He got the south. He won way more than Sanders is.
Yes, he's a way easier opponent than Clinton. Those stupid 1000 sample size general election polls don't mean crap at this point in time. Hillary hasn't attacked his policies aggressively because she needs all the actual progressives to vote for her when she stops pretending to be one. His tax plan alone would crucify him in a GE. You can't win an election with just unemployed college kids.
Josiah Smith
>>Continue
Once she gets the first ballot nomination, expect the convention to be shortened by at least a day or two in order to negate the inevitable Sanders supporter chimp-out. Hillary will probably rush her acceptance speech and cut the usual masturbatory rhetoric that is a political convention, given that her entire campaign won't be about hope and change and more or less be fear and panic of a Trump Presidency.
Hillary will probably be miffed that she has to cut short her convention coronation, so expect her to take it out on Donald Trump by putting out some of the worst, most desperate fear mongering ads you can imagine to scare voters into electing her.
As for Bernie? He'll either be outright threatened into offering (at best) a tepid "We have to beat Trump no matter what!" endorsement of Hillary, go completely radio science until after the election, or have an "accident" which Hillary will exploit. Similarly, if Bill Clinton IS ill (as some have suspected), expect it to be made public immediately after the convention so as to permanently undercut Bill as a liability via the media painting him as a brave man facing cancer or some other potentially terminal illness not AIDS or STD related, designed to further paint Hillary not as the enabler of a sexual predator but as a supportive wife who sticks by her man through scandal and illness.
Jacob Jones
TOTALLY POSSIBLE
#BURNOUT #FAGSFORBERNIE
Lucas James
I'm going to forgo the loo jokes and commend this rational line of thought.
Jeremiah Jones
>Superdelegates truly the most free and best democracy out there :^) USAUSAUSA
>"Sanders Told A Female Reporter Not To ‘Moan’ About Hillary Clinton"
>"Here’s why that’s not OK."
This is how fragile the new left is
Thomas Moore
A political party is not a public utility. The democratic party can choose their nominee however they wish. Super delegates are fucking stupid if you want pure democracy, but the elites in the party want more say, so former presidents and governors get special votes.
Noah King
Hillary has bought and owns the vast majority of the superdelegates. If it goes to a contested convention, they will assuredly give her the nomination
Noah Gomez
Not a chance. She has too much dirt on washington
Christian Hill
Yeah but they won't. Bernie has been a Democrat for less than a year and it seems like he doesn't really do politics.
Isaiah Miller
Mathamatically yes In reality no
Sanders doesn't and cannot get the support needed to get to the alleged level where superdelegates would switch, and even so they wouldn't switch because they are party members who exist as super delegates precisely to prevent a Sanders from winning. Hillary won a while ago.
Henry Davis
When Hillary pulls the woman card in debates the look of utter defeat and hopelessness on his face actually makes me feel bad despite the fact I would like to see him and all his supporters thrown into an active volcano.
Hunter Jenkins
Nice edit fag
Noah Hill
The superdelegates scam insures Hillary wins even if Sanders wins the popular vote.
So no.
Nathan Scott
why do people always say "ignoring superdelegates" when they're trying to do berniemath
Doctor: >Sorry user, but you have stage 4 ball, brain and rectal cancer. you have about 6 weeks to live. Patient: >Ignoring the cancer, how long do you think i have?
Carter Stewart
She'll refuse to talk about it (and probably force Obama to fall on his sword taking the heat for it), threaten to ruin any FBI/CIA or justice department folk who call bullshit on it, and most likely refuse to debate Trump at all just to prevent him from raking her over the coals over it.
The media will spin it like hell for her to bury the lead Anti-Gamergate side by way of making anyone who calls bullshit on her having Obama pre-emptively pardon her racist/sexist/conspiracy theorist and make calling her out on it tantamount to committing public and social suicide.
And again, she'll probably have Bill come out as having cancer or having beaten cancer recently in private, to be the thing she uses to derail all conversation on the matter, to force the conversation on how brave Bill is and how Hillary's a super wife for standing by her ill husband, who doesn't deserve such an "awesome" wife. Or bombard the media with countless ads accusing Donald Trump of every sin shy of committing the holocaust to keep the social pressure up on everyone to not vote for Donald and his wrong think.
Jack James
there's always a first :^)
Tyler Bennett
Trump voters don´t need to vote for Trump anymore. If they vote sanders he could win.
Daniel Sullivan
>have Bill come out as having cancer or having beaten cancer recently in private, to be the thing she uses to derail all conversation on the matter, to force the conversation on how brave Bill is and how Hillary's a super wife for standing by her ill husband AIDS (or super AIDS) would be much more believable at this point.
Jacob Stewart
You realize that they have more than enough evidence to do so, right? The only thing keeping the hammer from falling is her immense political capital
Colton Martin
Yes they do No he couldnt
Nolan Stewart
We need to keep dividing the democrats.
Eli Robinson
Our democratic party is not very democratic. On the plus side we get to vote for our leader as opposed to voting for the people who get to vote for our leader.
Evan Johnson
>voting for the people who get to vote for our leader. >Electoral College
David Perry
Still costs Hillary a lot of money :^)
Brayden Russell
Well considering Hillary Clinton actually has millions of more votes than Bernie Sanders giving the nomination to him would prove that they're corrupt and don't care about the will of the people.
Angel Cooper
We still get to vote for president though. I'm referencing how Germanys political system works.
Austin Mitchell
She literally hasn't spent a dime since Illinois.
Charles Cruz
Goldman-sachs sure has, though
Noah Ramirez
I still have friends that tell me "B-Bernie can still win it if he takes California!" and I laugh in their faces and take their beer.
Lincoln Reed
Yes. He probably won't, but yes, he still can.
People are making the mistake of thinking that the superdelegates actually mean anything. They really don't. The superdelegates will absolutely support whichever candidate goes into the convention with more pledged delegates. The superdelegates this time around are pretty much the same people as the ones back during Obama vs. Clinton. In Obama vs. Clinton, all the superdelegates declared for Clinton early on. Then Obama won more pledged delegates and all of a sudden the super delegates switched over to him. The same thing will happen if Sanders gets more pledged delegates.
He probably won't get more pledged delegates, though.
Joshua Allen
Everyone hates Hillary Clinton. Some people just don't know it yet, or have forgotten. The more people interact with her, the less they like her.
Jose Thomas
Rock 2016
Jaxson Martin
>and take their beer Have a well-deserved kek, user
Bernouts are so delusional it's pathetic >the r-rich can totally pay for my underwear basket weaving classes
Caleb Hall
Unfortunately, no. Trump would obliterate Sanders in the general election.
Logan Morgan
He's right. It isn't really trying to hide it anymore.
Xavier Turner
The whole point of the superdelegates is to keep out the George McGovern types which is exactly what Bernie is. His situation is not in any way comparable to Obama's.
Brandon Walker
Also Trump appeals to the centre while Bernie appeals to the further left
Oliver Evans
He is more dangerous. He is the end game and someone like him will soon win unless we can close the borders. We'll be Venezuela run by Bernie Chavez
Lincoln Cox
They are both populist candidates.
If we see Bernie vs Trump it will not be the people vs the establishment, it will be the people once again divided and pitted against each other, re-establishing the old establishment's grip on power.
Trump and Bernie would lock horns on the same old line through the center reaffirming the old left right paradigm.
With a Trump vs Hillary contest, we would see Trump stealing the center and much of the left, and as Trump pivots to do this, maybe some disgruntled Republicans vote Hillary, realigning politics along a different line in the US for years to come.
Andrew Perry
Something like 90% of his votes while in office have been Democrat.
Lucas Butler
no
Gavin Sanchez
He needs 66% of the remaining delegates and New Jersey + California are half of it.
He has no chance
Charles Clark
>the system's rigged Sanders has benefitted massively from low turnout caucus states where his bullies can just win an election. it's why he has 42% of the votes yet 45% of the delegates.
Lucas Sanchez
Sanders has vastly more living support than Hillary. Hillary just has control of an unstoppable army of the undead who coincidentally keep voting Democrat each election.
Angel Jenkins
Theoretically yes.
In practice no, never.
The head of the DNC is notoriously pro-Hillary. So pro Hillary in fact she's quitting her job after this election cycle. Her entire job was literally get Hillary into office.
She would never allow superdelegates to switch to Bernie, and since she's stepping down after this any way expect her to pull all sorts of nasty shit if it comes to that.
The game was rigged from the start.
Jeremiah Turner
They didn't switch from Hillary to Obama. Most who said they'd vote Hillary actually voted Hillary.
Obama was picking up more superdelegates as the race progressed, but most who said they'd go with Hillary in the first place went with Hillary.
Henry Young
>or is Shillary THAT bad? That. I really fucking hope. Shillary vs Trump will be such a really boring race. Sanders vs Trump would be GREAT and would probably pull even higher record numbers.
Aaron Green
No he's mathematically eliminated without superdelegates and he will never get the superdelegates because he's never run as a democrat before.
