I used to be a libertarian until Based Elizabeth Warren changed everything for me

Something about this quote changed my life...

I used to think oh the free market will fix everything and we should lower taxes. Blah blah blah

But what is the free market doing for the poor? We need a social safety net so the capitalist elite don't force them into a life of poverty.

We need to honor our tax system and government so the next generation doesn't live in 1920s America....

Can't believe I actually fell for the libertarian meme. I spent all this money on Austrian economics textbooks and Tom woods memberships....little did I know I was just a bootlicking reactionary idiot....Can't believe I almost voted for trump. If only Elizabeth was running...

Haha, what a hilarious post, OP

What's so funny? Seriously

>You moved goods on roads, paid for my private citizens, built by a private business.

You owe it all to the government - we took the money and gave it to the road people. We get to say how much you get to keep. Totally earned it.

GOOF

Lol in libertarian land, only the factory owners will have access to roads and workers will have to pay each time to get on the road ...basically a return to Fuedalism...

>Fauxcahontas

Ad hominem...

Wouldn't expect anything less from Sup Forums aka tumblr for manlets

You go too far.

It's just absurd to say that if elected official facilitate building of roads by taking money from citizens and paying some union shop to pave them, they get to confiscate any amount of your wealth or productivity.

No factory owner says "I should pay zero taxes"

But that Elizabeth Warren gets to say "You pay what I tell you to" because roads is absurd.

One of the great things about Libertarianism is that it's kind of a moron check.

It's really hard to argue against Libertarianism without sounding like a complete idiot, like our friend here.

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this, you drive on roads, we that means we get to take over half your income. gee that sounds fair.

How were you a libertarian but almost voted for trump?

I supported Trump but I'm a #warrentomahawk now

Libertarianism is proto fascism...

All of you guys including myself were in love with Ron Paul and wanted him to be president so bad in 2012...

Well now you guys have shown your true colors like all libertarian morons do and your supporting Trump.

So cut the crap..

>her entire quote is just saying that anarchy is bad
wow so though-provoking
I never considered how important the government was to ensuring the market can function properly
This is literally government 101
They teach you social contract, that the government serves the people. then they list those very services she listed
I don't get what she thinks she's doing
People who want to end the police and road-maintenance are far in the minority

I needed to leave the right wing echo chamber and enter the real world...

Having to live on your own and without your parents subsidizing you makes you realize how dificult it is to be working class in America.....

What you say just doesn't seem to pass the smell test

What about Trump's limited policy positions suggest he is in favor of an authoritarian, far right wing government?

If anything, he's pissing off the far right people and the statists in the establishment.

What makes you say Trump is a fascist? Or are you changing the term now (like progressives did with "liberal")

He is literally Hitler Jr. If you can't see that...I'm sorry but you don't realize how horrifying this time in history is...

Checkout this channel called "Vox" on YouTube....you'll actually learn something for once lol

Not really a libertard here but the rich and business people pay more taxes that goes into government services

Poor people don't pay shit and middle income rely on the wage the rich provide them

>He is literally Hitler Jr. If you can't see that...I'm sorry but you don't realize how horrifying this time in history is...
>literally
gr8b8m8
>ABANDONTHREAD

do dems have anyone who isnt a fraud?

there must be other uber liberal senators to choose from

>vox
You are a champion troll, eh? Even centre-leftist dismiss Vox as an insano leftist feefees blog

>I needed to leave the right wing echo chamber and enter the real world...
>starts using vox

I can see wanting to get out of the Sup Forums hivemind, but only a troll would say that and then promote an extreme leftist blog like Vox

2 posts to pull the mask back - my power is increasing.

>roads magically appear for free
>i shouldnt have to pay taxes to use services that other people pay taxes for

and Sup Forums complains about "gibmedats", holy kek

Can someone explain to me why she always wears these weird semi-popped collars?

...

Implying the 20's weren't the greatest generation in American history...
Fuckin socialist fags

Because she is goofy. Goofy Elizabeth Warren.

>Muh Ivy league education
>Muh social contract
>Who pays for roads
>Murica elite intellectuals and politicians

hahahahahaha

>that pic
Pretty bold statement from someone who has made a living off of funneling MA taxpayer money to the ruling class elite. MA is one of the most corrupt states on the country. This is the state that funded the "big dig" one of the greatest money laundering/funneling schemes known to man.

Goofy Elizabeth Warren thinks big government solves everything. Sad!

>implying they spend all of ours taxes on roads and not the vast majority of it on gibsmedat niggers while the military and our infrastructure is falling apart

this is a shitty b8 thread
sage

>Using spooks to justify a moronic spook

How much does social security cost? I know about corporate welfare but no serious conservative supports that.

The rich still pay millions more

This isn't really a critique of Libertarianism since Libertarianism can theoretically provide for all those mentioned services. Practically, all it is is whining about wanting more in taxes. No business person seriously believes that their business is built in a vacuum and would exist outside modern society. Nobody is arguing against roads or an educated workforce or the maintenance of public order. Nobody is even arguing the need to pay taxes to provide for these things. But there are degrees, and it can be argued that the government greatly oversteps its bounds and wants to do so even more. Stating obvious facts about the society we live in does not change that.

I'd rather have my taxes go towards strengthening an economy and creating jobs then towards able bodied people who do jack shit all day

>$36 per person per year on food stamps

pic also very related.

the biggest irony of course is that children like you have probably hardly paid a dime in taxes in your lifetime everywhere. you're a bigger parasite than every nigger combined you worthless faggot. get a fucking job.

>normal people need to worry about marauding bands
What the fuck is this bitch saying? baka

You could move to your libertarian wet dream in Somalia any time you wish.

That's her point.

I wonder what's stopping you? Are you worried your assets might not be safe?

More like: Illegal Aliens cost us 100B annually
Corporations are allowed to dodge taxes in excess of that amount because they are friends with a giant socialist bureaucracy and the IRS leaves them alone in exchange for "Favors" like FB has done for Obama. It's not a coincidence that FB pays 0 dollars on their massive profits every year. It's not a coincidence that Obama pushes as hard as he does for H1b visas.

Socialism and growing the State only makes this worse.

Factory B will offer road service for free then as a free market would mean that labor flow is not restricted and the overall buying market would be made of workers as well.

Again
>companies don't have to worry about random niggers looting their shit, only normal people do
Oh wait.

I'm a small government Nationalist more than I would call myself a Libertarian, but Somalia certain is not Libertarian. It isn't anything, its a fucking FAILED STATE. Niggers can't into anything you should know this.

>free market can't make roads

>you are forced to live in a statist society so if you use a road you owe the entire society

Lol I suppose she would scold the soviets who complained about bread lines "WHAT ELSE YOU GONNA EAT"

Anyway, she lives in a 5.5 million dollar home, lies about being a Native American which got her into elite universities and makes a living on tax dollars by complaining about rich people and racism. She uses her influence to take away your rights and create a government dependent society

She voted again auditing the fed for gods sake

She's a cancer on the planet

>libertarian state
>failed state

sorry, i'm not a 14 year old so i dont really see the difference.

Too bad you guys don't elect serious conservatives then, because a large majority of the legislature supports corporate subsidy to the death.

Are you going to provide proof or are you going to continue on your media indoctrinated diatribe?

They (the rich) also paid for those roads you dumb faggot, more so than the poor inept commie fags.

>you didn't have to about marauding bands stealing your shit.

>so we're coming to take your shit.

It Warren had run, would she be doing better than Sanders right now?

That's why we're electing Trump, silly. One of his major platform issues is getting rid of tax loopholes that so many companies are allowed to abuse by a complicit IRS.

Doubt it. She's a darling of the progressive left but Sanders as a person is much more likable. She presents herself as an "I'm smarter than you and this is how things should be done" type of planner, while Sanders is more of a down to earth "we can all see these problems, let's do something about it" revolutionary type. The latter is much more appealing to most people.

I wonder how much the Clinton administration is paying this guy to shitpost

I wish I could get paid to shitpost here

libertarianism != anarchy

you still have a government in a libertarian system.

So the mafia mugs you, and happens to use some of what they stole from you to build a sidewalk around your house. When next they mug you, they remind you of how you didn't produce value by yourself - other people existed near you, and you used a nicer walking surface provided by the sidewalk around your house, so you owe them back.

Mugging. Justified.
Nothing to see here.
Move along.

Anarchism falls under libertarianism. Libertarian is an umbrella term. So you don't actually necessarily have government under any given state of affairs described only as "being libertarian".

>trump
>conservative
Am I being trolled here? Is this sarcasm?

>there is no difference between an established social contract and organized crime XD
Constant intellectual dishonesty makes it hard to take libertarians seriously

>established social contract
When did I sign anything? Remind me again.

lib·er·tar·i·an·ism
ˌlibərˈterēənizəm/
noun: libertarianism

an extreme laissez-faire political philosophy advocating only minimal state intervention in the lives of citizens.

>only minimal state intervention

that means libertarianism requires a state, there is no such thing as liberrtarianism without a government

Cherry picking is fun. Especially when you know your first google search was headlined with the definition used both colloquially and academically.

"Libertarianism (Latin: liber, "free") is a political philosophy that upholds liberty as its principal objective. Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and freedom of choice, emphasizing political freedom, voluntary association, and the primacy of individual judgment."

>baby's first philosopher
Cute.

Elizabeth Warren would have you believe she's entitled to cutting down a tree for it's wood because it absorbed the carbon dioxide she expelled

One step closer to realizing national socialism is the best system of governance. However, if only works when the people are homogenous. I don't want to work to benefit some spic or nigger and they don't want to work to benefit me, they want to leech the benefits from my labor. It just doesn't work unless the society feels a sense of kinship toward each other. The capitalist shills want to keep is divided for that reason, it benefits them.

all I did was type "libertarianism definition" into google and post the first result

>national socialism
Depends what you mean by that. If you mean Hitlerism, then no.

Good thread.

>burger education
>muh ivy league

A libertarian state is inhabited by a majority of libertarian people with libertarian ideas and good knowledge of property rights and free market/voluntary interactions.

A failed state is the natural consequence of ruling a society with counterintuitive laws and artificial socialistic bullshit. The anomie here leads on to chaos and nigger-behaviour

"Libertarianism".
Which is how it's treated in all political philosophy classes in the English-speaking world.

Faggot. How's that for ad homonym

ok, sure, it was synonymous with anarchist in France.

The American Libertarian Party still doesn't advocate anarchy, and shows that anarchy is a fucking retarded idea.

When you continued to live on the grid

The free market is fantastic for maximising gross economic gain and exploitation of resources.
It's fucking awful for the average person trying to live in that system.
All you need to know about free market capitalism was demonstrated in Victorian England - industrial powerhouse and centre of innovation for the entire globe, while children died in work-place accidents and people froze, starved, and lived like rats.

>taking anything Warren says seriously
>wonders what's so funny about this

Well you've outed yourself as a complete retard, for one.

You said libertarian. You didn't say Libertarian Party.
Some party not advocating for something "retarded" does not make. Neither the Republicans nor Democrats advocate free trade, but that doesn't make free trade retarded. It actually makes them retarded.

>muh everyone will magically cooperate and respect the norms
How is that different from communism?

>taking the opinions of Fauxcahontas seriously

Yeah, because you mugging me and taking my shit puts the moral burden on me to leave, and not you to stop using violence against me.

*Totally*.

Pretty much. From purely economic perspective, free market and free trade are great concepts. Especially free trade.
But economists always ignore non-economic aspects.

>But the underlying social contract is you take a hunk of that and pay it forward for the next kid who comes along

What a disgusting and irrational assertion of the divine right of her Liberal government to control that money and decide who is 'the next kid', or what they'll be doing with it. I completely agree with the social responsibilities of people. What I don't agree with, and what most reasonable people don't agree with, is that her policies are the right way to do it.

Notice she hasn't said a single thing about what she believes should be done, she has just made vacuous moral judgement on perceived affluent people that aren't taking up enough civic responsibility. I hate people that pose as intellectuals but make no rational or coherent arguments.

>You said libertarian. You didn't say Libertarian Party.

I changed the subject because I realized I was wrong on the broader definition.

>Some party not advocating for something "retarded" does not make
I was trying to say that Somalia is proof that anarchy is retarded and a shitty form of libertarianism.

Interest of nation is above individual interest.

God I hope Hillary chooses this dumb bitch for VP, that would be icing on the fucking cake.

>yfw you will never see Hiawatha tank the shillary campaign by calling a bunch of steel mill workers privileged
>yfw you will never see Hiawatha in a debate just repeating "sexist racist misogynist!" on a loop when she doesn't know shit about a question

There are only individuals, commie.

I don't get it she isn't saying anything revolutionary or new since people already pay taxes on income

The only thing threatening my business is marauding bands of liberals who want to dictate my bottom line.

Only in your degenerate mind.

>poli sci female spouts some one else's view points and claims them as her own, IF ONLY LIZ WAS RUNNING

I'm all for infrastructure and pushing the system along
but women have no place in power, just look at merkel
get ready for four years with killary

if the majority dont want to cooperate it cannot exist a libertarian society. You and the rest of statism-suckers fail to understand that libertarianism is not a formal system of political organization but a system of human interaction without bureaucratic intervention. The free market and the recognition of property rights is consubstantial with a non-state society and with human nature.

>recognize value of all people, not to be discarded and thrown away by the mob when its convenient for them
>degenerate
Pretty sure there's only one degenerate here, comrade Pinko.

You didn't build that

we don't pull our weight, our interests are above yours
>DESE FOOD STAMPS OBAMA FONES AND MEDICAL ARENT GUNNA PAY FOR THEYSELVES

MUH ROADS

BUH MUH ROADS

>vox
8/10, had me going for a minute

>If only Elizabeth was running.
If only Elizabeth WERE running. The subjunctive can be tricky.

You're a nothing but a degenerate worm who has taken moral nihilism to another level.
>value of all people
You're lying. That's just sugar-coating your opinions. You only value yourself and your own narrow self-interest.
People like you are utterly worthless.
>comrade Pinko
Nice ad hominem. I'm not a communist. But even communists are better than something like you.

>Christian moral absolutist
>moral nihilism
L A M O
Keep sucking that BIG GOVERNMENT COCK Comrade Pinko! Never stop!