Is life really meaningless?

Is life really meaningless?

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no, it is just fanta sea!

It will be if you want it to be

you've been conditioned from birth that an imaginary "meaning" needs to exist. This is not so

Then why have birth.

Why do we bring children into this world to eventually get depressed about the pointlessness of their being and fear their mortality. It's a malicious existence.

Life's meaning is a view from humans, independently. If you were not human, no, there would be no "meaning", because meaning wouldn't be a thing. With something like existence, meaning is obsolete, it doesn't apply. This isn't a bad thing, it just is. On a more basic level, for life to have meaning, you have to give it meaning. If you don't/can't, then it doesn't. It really doesn't have to, it doesn't for me, and I'm A-Okay with it.

When describing life as "meaningless," are you implying that it's impossible to describe as a whole, or just without intent?

without intent.

On an esoteric level, this perpetuates the concept of life having meaning. On a biological level, this comes from our embedded drive to continue our species' existence.

I believe based on what we know about the universe as of yet that there is no great intent driving all of reality towards a willed goal.
All that is the universe is in motion, each particle bouncing off the next in a cascade of reactions which has brought us to this presently perceived day.
Also time is an illusion created by man to compare the movement of bodies in relation to each other.

Yes, but you can give it meaning, through effort and pain. Lift the heaviest burden you can carry.

Nihilism is a trap, my dudes.

There is no inherent meaning. That doesn't mean it can't have meaning for you. Read up on existentialism if you have more questions.

On a cosmic level yes, but you can give your life meaning through the things that make you happy and give you purpose

>equating scientific and spiritual knowledge.
>implying meaning has to be inherent, instead of built.
>thinking time is an illusion and not the 4th dimention.
14 yr old tier opinion.

You took the words from my mouth.
Fingers.

If life is bound by what we describe as the "passage of time," then the intent of life is to follow through to completion. To be born, to physically and spiritually exist, to assure that within the universe, and to die in that order.

Only if you choose so.
The only meaning to life is the one you give it.

>just assuming time exists because everyone thinks so
>not rewriting the gravitational equation in solely in terms of relative motion
>not realizing the approximation we see in the form of indeterminate ratios is a lie

Time exists, we know it because we experience it, you retard.

seems to be. there really isn't much reason to think there's some meaning to life let alone human life.

this

time doesn't exist though, it's not quantifiable. it only exists in relation to something else.

Shit, dude, all color is is our interpretation of the spectrum of light. You think that time must be only exactly as we perceive it?

can we really say we have experienced it?
what we have actually experienced as the passage of time is the relative motion of all bodies observed, the motion of the plant as it grows, the motion of the tree as it bears fruit, and the crumbling of brick as it's bonds give way to the impact of objects around it

Actually that the interesting thing about life; it can be meaningless but really it has whatever meaning you give it, you can be or do whatever you want

death is the same as how we were before we were born just nothing i think. sadly so make the most of it have a bunch of kids and live like every day is your last

Living is useless
Life's purpose is consumption.

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>s just fanta

ah shit, I think I'm the first guy on the left by now.

Time is a funny concept, and you have a point but if time wasn't a thing then nothing would exist, no particle would ever be able to change its form.. We couldn't have come into being or process information without the passage of time

you are supposed to reproduce and/or care for the offspring. that is the meaning of life.

>Then why have birth.

Well, life is compelling, isn't it? That's the meaning. Life can have whatever meaning you find meaningful. Does it have some larger purpose beyond yourself? Maybe. But you don't necessarily know it. I suggest finding meaning in your own life before trying to figure out the "purpose" of all life. Also keep in mind that biological purpose is not the same as personal purpose . Bilogical purpose is to survive and reproduce. But that doesn't have to be your personal purpose.... although these things are often related to personal purpose in some way.

he might be into traps though

Life is what you make it out to be.

>existentialist trash
pls

>nihilistic trash
pls

If you want it to be.
Everyone is the protagonist of their own story.

Son, it's faster horses, younger women, older whiskey, and more money.

that's not what I said fagget. if you don't believe in God you are going to hell.

Oh but wait.. you are a fagget.. looks like you are already going there.

> to continue our species' existence.
this 'drive to save the species' does not exist. the main drive is 'pass your own genes and stay fed in order to do so'

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We can really say we've experienced it, and to that extent it exists.

I don't know why you would try to use motion to explain anything about time not existing though. Just use wikipedia!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unreality_of_Time

>if you don't believe in God you are going to hell.
And you're going to Hades. Or Hel. Or any countless number of afterlife concepts that weren't positive or neutral.
Take your pick, really.

the term meaning is a human invention, trying to say that something has a purpose that is inanimate is kinda meaningless

The very meaninglessness of life forces a man to create his own meaning. Children begin life with an untarnished sense of wonder, a capacity to experience total joy at something as simple as the greenness of a leaf; but as they grow older, the awareness of death and decay begins to impinge on their consciousness and subtly erode their joie de vivre, their idealism - and their assumption of immortality.

As a child matures, he sees death and pain everywhere about him, and begins to lose faith in the ultimate goodness of man. But if he’s reasonably strong - and lucky - he can emerge from this twilight of the soul into a rebirth of life’s élan.

Both because of and in spite of his awareness of the meaninglessness of life, he can forge a fresh sense of purpose and affirmation. He may not recapture the same pure sense of wonder he was born with, but he can shape something far more enduring and sustaining.

The most terrifying fact about the universe is not that it is hostile but that it is indifferent; but if we can come to terms with this indifference and accept the challenges of life within the boundaries of death - however mutable man may be able to make them - our existence as a species can have genuine meaning and fulfilment. However vast the darkness, we must supply our own light.

>God

there is zero proof of this thing existing

From the current view point of humans life is meaningless but we don't have a very deep understanding of the universe and our knowledge on life is very patchy. Just a reminder that if you're are thinking of suicide you could be that dickhead that kills himself the day before Humans discover something that makes life meaningful.

>God
>proof
guess what bro, you just played yourself
nice trips but they won't save you from your fate. serious bro you better start believing in something or else it might get bad for you

This is really poor trolling, but apparently I'm biting.

In order to avoid it getting bad for him, what should he start believing in?

You too, bud. Good luck on picking the right one!

In a billion years, you think any of this shit is going to matter? Or that anything will be left alive here? Or that this is the first time life has sprung up in the universe?

What meaning is there if everything dies and life as we know it will eventually go extinct when our sun expands?

that's what people don't realize that the main trick is just having "faith". God can be what you imagine him/her/it to be.. doesn't have to be some old man with a staff and white beard father of Jesus (hobo jew)

I am not saying to take the bible literally and I am not saying to completely disregard what it has to say. It was written by men but the morals and ethics and codes in the book are sound, save for some that have been updated over the years.. (who cares if I eat fish and meat on sunday?)...

if you see things in society or on tv/movies and you think wow that is really fucked up or "degenerate" that is literally created by people who are trying to rip society apart and create biblical prophecy see: israel

You're being arbitrary, here.

What meaning is there even if everything doesn't die and life as we know it will not eventually go extinct when our sun doesn't expand?

You God can be whatever you want it to be, but in the same breath you basically assume we're talking about the god of the bible.

Which is all beside the point that you did not answer the question. What should he start believing in?

And if your answer to that question is God (something which can be whatever I desire it to be), then it's not an answer at all. When you make something subjective to that extent, you've annihilated all meaning from it.

faith is antiquated
just like circumcisions
appendectomy

Yours is

>a chart on the internet says it so it must be true!
protestants are really just people who have lost their way over time. Catholics + Muslims make up roughly 3b people or half of the world that are following the same religion with minimal differences... the others are Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Daoists and other Chinese basically

kikes are rats of course

Thats..quite right user,good job.also ,nice trips.

no I've read the Tao te Ching and dabbled in Buddhist texts the dhammapada, baghavad gita etc.

ancient reincarnation.. dao "the way".. that which comes from the source. that is God, if you want it to be.

all time is only the observation of motion through space

>a chart on the internet says it so it must be true!
>implying: a chart on the internet says it so it is not necessarily true!
>however: internet content is not necessarily true or false based solely on the fact that it is internet content.

Also, the chart doesn't really lead to any conclusion on its own. It seems to just be a collection of religions and their tenets. It very well might be true.

>or else it might
im comfortable with those odds

Agreed

no it's actually really convoluted and hard to read. it also makes assumptions that the author of said chart is most likely not an authority on all of those religions

also kys

>kikes are rats of course
then jesus was a rat
by your own standards, you're going to hell

>Watches at $ 0?
WTF?

Again. If God can be what I want it to be, then it is no god in any meaningful way.

And especially if my decision about the nature of God is prescriptive, then it is not almighty.

Even if I grant you that, why would you use it to describe time not existing?

If that's all time is, then all you've done is describe it. That's useless at best, right?

no... you see Jesus rejected jews and started a whole religion.. a true religion if you will. so maybe get your facts straight before you rebuttal, champ
no God is almighty
your perspective is different from mine because that is simple human nature which is flawed.. unlike the nature of God. God is this and that.

>protestants are really just people who have lost their way over time.
>an user on the internet says it so it must be true!
See how that works? Also:

>christians/muslims are really just people who have lost their way over time.
>monotheistic religions are really just people who have lost their way over time.
>organized religions are really just people who have lost their way over time.

>implying you're the sole fucking arbiter of valid religions

Don't bring that weak sauce up in here, the grown-ups are talking. Isn't it past your bedtime, anyways?

Being convoluted and hard to read say nothing of its truth value.

Also what does this have to do with your fallacies?

nice memes.. I bet they would love them on reddit.

you are like those people who thought that Bernie was going to win.. apparently anything on the internet wins you over with minimal cognitive effort on your part

So human nature is flawed? Then we can't use it to know God? And if we can't do that, then why should someone believe in one?

>can't rebut
>OH NO BETTER THINK OF A WITTY COMEBACK!
I'm not mad, son. Just disappointed. As retorts go, that's maybe a 1/10, and I'm being generous.

God fucking damn it... no.

What is it with you depressed fags and mulling over these nonsensical existential questions. Literally, you really think that just because you're floating around in this vast cosmos, life is pointless? No one fucking knows, but it is in our best interest to keep it around in order for us to find out. And maybe even cherish the fact we even get to experience the beauty that the universe has to offer. The collections of cosmic dust, stars, gases, life. You won't gain anything from what I'm saying, which is shocking to me. You are a blimp in time, yet you find enough to lose interest in the very thing which renders you remotely relevant. Life. Meaningless? Who knows? Why do you even care? Just invent yourself and be happy that your eyes and ears can soak it all in.

Not only ad hominem, but completely off topic. GG user.

>So human nature is flawed?
yes
>Then we can't use it to know God?
God does not want to know you. You want to know God.


>then why should someone believe in one?
what else do you have? memes and porn? you'll come back, I'll be here. So will God, unless you really fucked up idk

>convoluted and hard to read
Did you not put your glasses on, or do you ride the short bus to school? It's not that fucking difficult to read, nor is it convoluted.
>author wasn't an authority on those religions
Oh, and Pascal was a fucking ordained minister of the church, hmm?

no it spoke to your character and thought process. you don't belong here
you think my comeback is witty? thanks

you are probably replying to the wrong person, newb

It is OP,
Without material, we are nothing
Without meaning, we are possible to all

Yes, but it's more fun when you convince yourself that it's not.

God is a hallucination, manifested through centuries of force-fed delusion. Or not. I can't be 100% certain, and neither can you. But I can say with a 98% assurance that God is not real.

Ehh. It's midnight and I'm on a mobile app because I'm laying in bed. Sue me.

Yes!

an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient (OOO) being is a logical paradox, it contradicts its self too much to possibly exist.
that would leave only the possibility of a diety that can be either omnipotent, omnipresent, or omniscient. a being that did not originate on earth that is advanced enough to seem omnipotent, omnipresent, or omniscient, is by definition an alien. with the logical options being to worship a logical fallacy, or an advanced alien being, i choose neither.

It doesn't matter if I want to know "3+3=6". If my perception is sufficiently flawed, I don't get the right answer, right?

And while we're on the topic, how do we tell which one of us is flawed?

The reason for believing in something cannot rationally be "what else do you have?" That's ridiculous.

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Its the most meaningless thing ever, so do as you please with it

>But I can say with a 98% assurance that God is not real.
I would argue you need to get out more. See more people, hear more languages, read more philosophy, see more landscapes

....you think that happened... by ACCIDENT?!? lmao pfftttttttttttttttttt

fucking kys retard
195 iq

>cause and effect/chance = pure accident
You just blow in from stupid town?

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I don't understand your logic. Math is math and it has rules and principals which expand into greater formulas and proofs and all that stuff

3+3 always equals 6... that is symbolism that both of us understand. anything other conclusion is user error by us. God is not concerned with math btw

I really hope it is all meaningless. I'd hate to think I was fucking up something really important.

what caused the big bang? other than God. but what is your goofy ass answer.

>inb4 cyclical universe
that's just more proof of God and his infinite nature

Lol no
if that so why did god created the universe? was he bored or something?

what created god?
oh yeah
"he alwuys sexistedd"

Red Herring.

Address the human nature bullshit or gtfo, my dude. You can't rationally hold all these positions. You're like that internet guy with the limes.

>3+3 always equals 6.
except with large values of 3

Objectivity, yes

Subjectively, no

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