What's so bad about universal healthcare?

What's so bad about universal healthcare?

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A large percentage of my check is already stolen from me, against my will, and used in ways that I don't agree with. I'm not interested in even more of my income being stolen, and used like that. My income is my income.. it should be used by me to better the lives of my loved ones.. not some random stranger that doesn't deserve it.

I'm sick and fucking tired of my money being stolen from me. I'm sick of it!

Take care of yourselves!

You really want Donald Trump and his ilk deciding what health care procedures you get instead of you and your doctor deciding?
This is what's wrong with most of the world, thinking they are getting something for free by putting giving others control over their lives. Go be a slave somewhere else.

I'm a student, and paying health insurance every month is expensive. its like another third on top of the already expensive rent

meanwhile I havent had an accident or hospital treatment in years. If I had, I would be a happy man. But having to pay regardless is extremely expensive because its not adjusted to my income. its just a flat amount, and its way too high for a student

it has to be funded by taxes. which is the problem

Do something about it, move to another country.

>what's so bad about universal healthcare?
Opponents who don't realize that they're paying for other people's healthcare regardless, and they are only making it more expensive and contributing to unnecessary deaths.

This is basically an argument against taxes of any form. The point of an army is to keep our citizens alive. The point of healthcare is to keep our citizens alive.

people came here to get away from taxation from a too powerful government. Maybe americans should do it again or take down what is already here

...but yesterdays patriotism is todays terrorism to sheep

Do you drive on roads? Did you get to public school? Do you have one of the thousands of diseases that tax dollars partially go to. Has your country been invaded by another country? Have you needed police or firefighter assistance?

Taxes pay for all of this.

niggers want everything for free and the white man gotsta pays for it.
prove me wrong
>protip
you're a dirty niglet

The thing is, if you have no insurance and get cancer/car accident and can't pay the outrageous hospital bills that debt is just passed on to people with insurance anyway, skyrocketing premiums even more

Having a public option does not stop private insurance from staying in business.

why not YOU move to another country, you fuck.
Our Founding fathers warned of oppressive Government.
They & the Constitution is the only thing that saves your ass.

It was "no taxation without representation".

Guess what? You have representation faggot.

It is because you do not have a true Universal Healthcare, but a mix of cheap UH + Private insurance x mostly for-profit medical system.

Nothing if you're poor.

The founding fathers also quelled a revolt against taxes (see Whiskey Rebellion).

The cost
The government control
The tax increase
The fact that only about 75 million Americans pay federal taxes for 330 million patients
The long waits to see a specialist
The doctor shortages
The lack of incentive and funding for research
Want more? I have plenty

No but it makes private medicine inaccessible to all but the rich

the problem is healthcare is abused by fat fucks like boogie

there are literally people that have diabetes, eat cake and donuts all day and abuse healthcare for free insulin (which is expensive as fuck)

thats why universal healthcare will never work and the same goes for communism in terms of money

>the point of our army is to keep our citizens alive
Oh dear

>pic
Boogie has mental issues so he really can't do much to help himself

its an ok system. you can chose between a lot of different ones and prices vary quite a bit, the point is for a student like me, in 5 years of education I rank up about 18k of health insurance and my field of education doesnt really allow to have a job that would pay for that

obviously this isnt true for everyone, but I would be WAY BETTER OFF if i never had health insurance, but I guess thats the point of insurance - you bet on that one time you will need it otherwise it doesnt pay off at all

Universal heath care is a money machine for megacorp. It is making healthy hard working average people pay for the misery of stupid people. Europe has it. It is a disaster. Costs skyrocket. Everyone has to pay €1200 a year so that a few fat obese fuckers can have their lives being extended for a few worthless years at the costs of €100000 per year.

Supposedly the rate of "good doctors" will go down.

But Aside from that. I have no issues with Universal healthcare, I just think making it protect those who NEED should be priority rather than those who want it. By that I mean the whole thing should be regulated better than it is right now because if people like him can abuse the system. Then the people won't trust the system at all.

I never used Health Insurance. I have Scoliosis, flat foot, and I want to get my dental checked for cavities. I can't because our whole family income is $14,000. We can't even afford Health Issurance, so when we do taxes we don't suffer the ol' policy, because we're exempt. But last month we REALLY needed it. That's when the Universal healthcare could help, but noone would like the idea because idiots like him will fuck us up. Most of the Government Welfare programs have 1-5 policies that allow it to go haywire and fuck everything up.

People use SNAP to buy junk food, BECAUSE IT ALLOWS THEM TO. People become overweight BECAUSE OF IT, and "can't work anymore". It's a terrible cycle that can simply be fix when more guidelines on rewards and quilifications are added.

its like that now kid

>universal healthcare will never work
but it works in Canada, France, UK, the Netherlands, Germany, and Australia.

"B-b-but DRUMF WE CANT LET HIIIIIIMMM FO ANYTHING BECAUSE HES D-DRUMF!!!!!" shut the fuck up faggot

opponents realize this user believes everything he hears.

Universal healthcare would probably lower your taxes in the long run. Taxes still pay for the people that cant afford emergency room visits and since the US doesnt negotiate health care prices like other countries the tax payers get cucked out of their money. But you do you, if you like having your money taken to effectively do less be my guest it will affect you more than me.

and?

sure kid

Nothing. It's saved my life more times than I can count. Also, we don't have poor, crazy sick people roaming the streets like lepers and zombies like you do in the states.

>It is a disaster. Costs skyrocket.
liar

and all of those countries are experiencing new wave cuckery the likes of which haven't been matched since bernie sanders "lost" the nomination.

kill yourself or I will.

>the system/government didn't do anything to help you get that paycheck in the first place
15-year-old libertarians IRL

no son you're wrong

sure kid

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tell me, who pays when someone without insurance winds up in the emergency room?

Let's see how sustainable your healthcare system is in 20 years with the increasing refugee problem.

the hospital does.

It's weird that for americans having to pay for this fatass is ridiculous, but paying more than 10 times that for a predator clearly is ok

Are you stupid? The US healthcare system is over 2x more expensive than most other healthcare systems, and considering the US doesnt even have the best healthcare system its pretty sad.

>Hospitals everywhere are just taking massive hits by treating people without insurance. They're all on the brink of bankruptcy!

Oh wait, they're highly profitable businesses. The government pays the difference.

The biggest problem with universal health care is that it wild take money away from much more important government programs such as funding Israel, and bombing the ever-loving fuck out of countries populated by poor brown people.

Maybe every American could have free healthcare, but at what cost?! I don't want to live in a world where my hard-earned money doesn't go to Israel.

doesn't make you any less wrong kid

and where's the hospital get that money friendo

The hospital doesn't, its literally tax payers if the person himself doesn't. If it wasn't most hospitals would of closed down by now.

sure kid.

I mean would you rather trillions of our money go-to wars and the military which won't effect you at all or infrastructure, health care, and education? Isn't is a no brainier?

thinks I'm his friend.

No it does not work in Europe. Holland has an universal health care system since 2005 and since then the insurance costs have skyrocketed 500 fucking percent. health care costs subject was the major elections subject before the refugee crisis started. Socialism does not work when there is a small contributers group and a huge consumers group.

How? A public option gets the efficacy and innovation of government. Most businesses and family's can still buy their own plan if they want more.

Cause I wasnt wrong to begin with. Take Trumps dick out your mouth and quit breathing what comes out of his ass and in that breif moment you get oxygen to your brain you may realize your wrong.

sure kid

As an American now living in Australia i can tell you that universal healthcare is amazing. Youre going to get taxed for things you dont agree with anyway kid, grow up. That 3 dollars from your payckeck doesnt just help strangers, it helps you too. Ive already benefitted from it multiple times in my 5 years here, when in America i wouldnt even have thought about going to a doctor. Sorry but America is backward on this one,Not even trolling.

sure you were.
your ad hom proves it.

A few dollars? Fuck you. Obama care raised my rates over $450.00 dollars a fucking month, so I can help some worthless dipshit? Fuck that.

sure kid

>3 dollars from your paycheck

You probably like it because you're a bottom of the barrel human being who will never amount to anything in your life and you get taxed next to nothing because you make or contribute absolutely nothing.

it's ok bud, we all know you're eternally BTFO

sad.

you know obamacare isn't single payer right

that's it, just let it all out
let the tears flow

obamacare = white middle class paying for black lower class' healthcare.

lmao it works fine, needs some more streamlining tho, I bet you're not even Dutch, teringlijer

Boo fuckin hoo peasant

Nothing will stop insurance companies from fucking you and premiums rising.

>Not even denying it
>Just saying lol you can't stop it

It's undeniably worse under the newer system and that's his point you fucking troglodyte.

sad

this tbhqwy fam

any healthcare system involving for-profit insurance companies is going to fuck you any chance it gets.

I'm not sure.

I've lived in 2 other countries, both had universal healthcare, free for everyone there.

Surprisingly enough, those countries are still around 25 years later, still doing that silly universal healthcare thing. I guess they didn't learn from their previous successes.

implying

Yeah your right, white people just open a GoFundMe for their cancer treatment bills and beg for money

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The government is not your fucking mommy and daddy. Grow the fuck up. Government exists to protect rights, not grant them. The mission isn't to provide healthcare to as many people as possible, but for some reason that's what we want to talk about. The mission is to provide the best possible healthcare. The free market can do that. Competition drives prices down. Deregulating drives prices down. We've never really given the free market it's honest chance.

you don't have to keep broadcasting your emotional state you know

population sizes?

sad

Germany and Netherlands

So, around those population sizes.

Thats why peple advocate universal o

ITT burgers getting cucked by insurance companies

I lose less money to the state for my healthcare than you pay with your plans. Insurance companies are milking you all dry and you all take the huge load up your assholes because >muh better dead than red

>free market
>in a setting where consumers can't act in a logical economic manner because their life is literally on the line

Because immigration is just so afordable for a bottom of the barrel human being. Do you even know anything about economics?

so not really a comparison.

Taxation is theft, by definition. It doesn't matter what the money is used for, the theft itself is immoral, thus must be rejected.

but he doesn't tell us where he lives

It's worse because insurance companies have to pay out for sick people instead of just denying them coverage.

The problem with universal healthcare is that it subsides the free market.
Those who do not support universal health are not in opposition of universal health care because they want less people covered. They are in opposition because they want lower health care costs. You are in essence taking from those who worked hard to be able to finance their own healthcare and forcing them to pay for thier own healthcare AND the healthcare of others.
When left to the free market healthcare prices should be lower all around.
The only reason that universal health care is cheap for poor people is because it is subsidized through heavy taxation upon those who can afford healthcare.

and they still put in more effort than blacks ever will

And what country would be?

You could always move to Texas, no income tax?

>The only reason that universal health care is cheap for poor people is because it is subsidized through heavy taxation upon those who can afford healthcare.
which is as it should be. We're not fucking animals, we live in a society

if you need someone to answer that for you.

Yes, go on...

Anyone who argues against free market healthcare is either economically or historically illiterate. Probably both. 100 years ago there were far fewer barriers to entry in the healthcare field and it cost as little as a few hundred dollars A YEAR to get basic health care coverage. Then the state got involved.

I would rather be responsible for me and my family as opposed to me , my family and a piece of everyone else's. Alot of people make bad choices in life it doesn't mean I have to support them financially I grew up poor so I know shit can suck. But I work hard and save money so I'm not reliable on anyone else but myself. Idgaf if your white black Latino Chinese w.e even if you don't get a GED you can find some job to make a living just have to budget and be realistic invest in yourself and don't blow money on 300 dollar sneakers for your 12 year old middle schooler when you can't pay your rent and or other bills. If you get a decent job 75% of the time you will have a decent insurance company offered to you yes it can be expensive but wtf do you want everything to be free (or ridiculously cheap) by doing that everyone's quality of healthcare will go down so why punish people who are successful for a percentage of citizens who can't manage money and make smart financial decisions

>We're not fucking animals, we just steal from each other at the point of a gun for whatever we want to deem good this decade

substantially lower payments to physicians and other health care providers compared to a multiple-payer system;

Reduce the quality of care by limiting the ability of physicians to invest in advanced medical equipment that takes advantage of new technology;

Limit access to care even more substantially in the long term, as the prospect of lower lifetime earnings reduces the incentive for talented people to choose careers in health care;

Reduce the rate of medical progress, because fewer talented people receiving medical training decreases the supply of talented medical researchers.

>The point of an army is to keep our citizens alive.
Then why do we send out military trash to foreign countries who pose no threat to us?