Why do all Anglo countries think socialism just means welfare...

Why do all Anglo countries think socialism just means welfare? Why do literally none of them understand the definition of the word?

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If socialism guaranteed no common money would go towards bums, minorities, drug users or unemployed, unmarried adults, I'd be all for it. Unfortunately it's the opposite.

funny how the go to insult for capitalism is people have so many resources they can waste them on luxury goods

I don't work and I live in a capitalist society, where's my gifted money you speak of?

thats why National Socialism is the only socialism that works

This.

Eastern Germany had 0.0% unemployment.

You don't even know what socialism is, you fucking moron. Socialism is not a synonym for welfare, Ms. Thatcher.

No it isn't, retard. It's that the rich are literally destroying everything in their rabid pursuit of wealth.

Actually, any socialism works. NatSoc is just the best. Remember, the USSR beat America in EVERY metric in the space race (and a number of other areas), even though America made it out of WWII MORE prosperous and didn't really particpate much in a combat role and Russia was DEVASTATED by that war and did most of the fighting and suffered most of the losses. Germany went from a destitute country to a fucking SPACE WORTHY civilization in under a decade. America during the most prosperous time in it's entire history couldn't compete technologically with EITHER of these countries - even though the USSR was falling apart the entire time.

It's called "indoctrination". If Stalin and Hitler rose from their graves and looked at the ideological conformity of Anglo-American countries, they'd feel like total amateurs.

Stalin upon seeing the modern age would probably cream his jeans. Hitler would probably immediately commit suicide or go on a shooting spree.

That's the same percent of the people killed trying to cross the Berlin wall from west to east.
:^)

>"I'm not stooopid, you're stoopid and blaming it on me"
>liberals think this is a good argument

>peasants produce food
>factory workers produce industrial products
>engineers, computer scientists, etc. invent stuff
>accountants, managers and salesman keep the system running

What's the function of the capitalist, again? I always forget...

>the USSR beat America in EVERY metric in the space race

Hahahahaha

You mean every metric besides actually doing anything, right?

What the fuck are you even flapping about?

To suck the people dry and ruin the Earth.

Pop Quiz: Who invented rocket technology? Was it America?

You're missing the point: they had forced labor instead of giving free money to people who didn't want to work like they do under capitalism.

Did you forget to turn your proxy off, sputnik?

There's no such thing as 0% unemployment.

Unless people were literally stuck at the job they chose after graduating university for the rest of their lives.

Yes but that's not the "socialism" the faggots want in the west which is what were talking about.

i don't think you understand what he means by east Germany.

Stalin imprisoned gays, gave extra benefits to Russian families, killed Supreme-Kike Leon Trotsky, purged Jewish officials and doctors towards the end of his life and deported literally millions of shitskins and other foreigners for "not fitting in with Soviet culture".

Learn proper history you stupid 16 year old. Stalin today would make Trump look like George Soros by comparison.

If they lost their job the government would offer them a different job the next day.

And everybody had to work, forced under gunpoint if necessary.

There's no sense in getting your panties in a bunch over this OP. Capitalism as we know it can't last through the age of automation we're currently living in.

Because socialism is equal to welfare in Western Europe. They have nothing more to offer anymore anno 21st century.

Oh yes, I'm positive Stalin would see this effective a level of brainwashing and wouldn't be even remotely impressed. You are right about one thing: literally nobody from that era would look at this one and think it had turned out right.

I have to live through it.

>Because socialism is equal to welfare in Western Europe.
That's literally not Socialism. Socialism isn't welfare, you moron.

>real socialism doesn't count, my warped view on socialism is valid here because only my warped view of socialism is allowed in this discussion.

>the sky is red
>can't say the sky is blue becasue we're talking about the red sky here.


whatever bye.

>american thinks he knows how commie block worked.
kek, nobody asked if you like your job. and if you were anticommie you could be rocket scientist and yet you would be forced to dig holes.

was germany mi good fella. they invented the rocket tecnology.

Americans have great difficulty accepting that they're capitalist overlords are uncreative hacks. They get a born upper middle class faggot to syphon tax dollars to land century-old German rocket technology and believe they're some sort of preeminent genius in the history of mankind. Americans are like fucking stone age niggers who stumbled onto other people's achievements and claim them as their own.

>m-muh space race!
>w-we showed those americans that communism is superior!!
>our population starved to death but that doesn't matter!!!! we sent a dog to space!!!! xD

>was Germany
>who is Goddard

It is very very simple:

Two things:

1. Make sure people bounce back easily. This means you splurge on safety and "fertilizer" stuff like paying for healthcare and education. Just throw money at it. Don't start babbling about "morality" and people needing to "learn to work hard", that's pseudo-cynicism.

2. Unions. Real unions, not shitty ones. Essentially, the employer and the employee want to fuck each other over. Unions can provide stuff like lawyering about backpay (this is one of their major functions here and it really helps making things run smoothly) and negotiate across-the-board salaries and generally _provide market information to the employees about salary levels and shit_ which makes things run even more smoothly!

You think this stuff is anti-captitalist. But why the fuck would we use stuff that wasn't realistic and in accordance with the principles of how the free markets actually work?

That's the point. The lefties have nothing else to offer. Hueland 'socialists' aren't trndy anymore.

Then there's still unemployment.

In any case, that's highly inefficient, because it leads to government creating jobs who's benefit exceeds their cost to society. It's a misallocation of resources.

It's a reward for risk taking.

We don't have perfect markets because we lack perfect information, perfect factor mobility, and there are barriers to entry. A capitalist in order to form an enterprise needs to take risks which those employed under him either have not done yet, or are frankly too scared to do.

>Americans have great difficulty accepting that they're capitalist overlords are uncreative hacks.

Yeah because you deserve the same reward for going to a shit school that's easy to get into and getting a bachelors in women's study as someone who went to an Ivy League school and got a PHD in a STEM degree and decided not to be a bitch boy and formed his own company. Totally.

youre fucking retarded. almost any form of government works in a extreme nationalist pure ethnic race not any form of SOCIALISM works for any random group of mongoloid ape races. stop being a fucking faggot

Not the person who invented rocket technology. Next.

Brazil is NOT a fucking socialist state. I'm tired as fuck of Americans making this claim. Brazil is a fucking trainwreck because of capitalism. The income inequality is absolutely off the charts and agribusiness has your country by the balls. That sort of shit is the OPPOSITE of a socialist state and is impossible in one. Americans and other Anglos literally can not define Socialism. They just do not know what the word fucking means. They're dumb as fuck because that's exactly how the rich want them.

>deserve
Stop right there. Capitalists don't believe in "deserve" except in one situation: they believe people who are born rich deserve everything. Everyone else is "lazy". Eat shit.

What's your point? America was almost a pure White nation during that period. And it was immensely prosperous. I don't think anyone is going to claim that America was a failed state in the 40s. The baby boom exists for a reason.

America still was a failure. All this shit that angry capitalists have been saying about the communists. It's all true. Communism is a jewish trainwreck on anything but a micro scale.

And it STILL kicked the wealthiest nation in human history's ass at every single metric until the moon landings. Now how is that possible? And don't give me that "Oh but the little people had to suffer to achieve that goal" because that's exactly what the rich do to achieve the goal of fattening themselves and gorging on a nation's wealth. The problem with capitalism is that the end goal is ALWAYS profit - mostly in the short-term because capitalists are shit at planning. Socialism's goal is the well-being of the people. It doesn't always meet that goal, but it IS the goal.

>You mean every metric besides actually doing anything, right?

God...why all americans so deluded? They delude themselves or its just that they have no way to know the truth?

The average lower class Texan had access to better food than the soviet elite go fuck yourself . Poor people can eat cheese cake everyday in America .

Good meme. Now where's your argument?

I am all for socialism, with two conditions:

-Private property must exist for those who work and for those who deserve it. After all what I did for the home where my parents lived, where my grandparents lived, where my great-grandparents lived, etc etc, I am not going to accept the house is "to everyone" or "property of the state". Thats bullshit and you know it.

-The country is not for the church, not for the King, not for the rich. Is for us, for those who live here. I dont accept any sort of immigration. Whats the point on getting things for the rich and giving them away to immigrants? Fuck that.

What'd I fucking say, you retarded nigger?

>INSULT EVERYONE

Why is it that america is still capitalist and socialism is dead and dying?

>-Private property must exist for those who work and for those who deserve it.
Nope. You just made capitalism. Congratulations. With your first sentence you showed you're against Socialism.

A German is asking this? You don't know the answer? I'll give you a hint: it starts with WW and ends with II.

Also, why is America dying if capitalism is so great? Dumbfuck ugly American millennials try to claim that America's become more capitalist. NOPE. America has become more and more enabling of the rich with every passing year. That's why the country's going to hell. Illegal immigration? The rich. Loss of jobs? The rich again. Constant wars for oil and Israel? Guess fucking who?? Yep, the rich.

No, seriously, can you comment on the fact that whilst the USSR was starving, Capitalist nations had wealth in such abundance that the great evil of consumerism was born.

>Who is Robert Goddard?

Faggot detected.

No I am not. Saying my house must be my private property because it is the inheritance of my family and because I sweated and even bleed for it, its not the same as saying private property should exist inconditionally, or that certain infrastructures should not be on the hands of colectivism.

Also, not all cases are equal. I know people who has pieces of forest, or fields inherited by their families, and they do a bad use of them. They speculate, they care shit about the landscape, or their simply are too busy to take care of their responsabilities with properties that would not make them gain a lot of money. Those should be CONFISCATED.

As a matter of fact, Eastern communism was WAY better for nationalism and identitary movements than western capitalism. Why is that every serious identitary alternative comes from the east? Why is that in Germany, nationalist movements are stronger on the east? I think every nationalist should think very carefully about these facts. Capitalism is the cancer of identities.

Fact: Capitalism is the best economic method.

Fact: Socialist nations have all failed, or are currently failing.

Now. With economics out of the way, let's discuss the failure of our constitutional republics.

No, seriously, can you at least pretend to not be Anglo for a second and pretend you're literate? I already did, you retarded fuck. Now can you explain that while Soviet Russia was imploding it still managed to beat the shit out of America?

See: Fucking Americans.

>Saying my house must be my private property because it is the inheritance of my family and because I sweated and even bleed for it,
Don't give me that sob story bullshit. One: it's irrelevant and two: that's capitalism. Period. There is no such thing as static private property ownership. It always spreads like a cancer. What about people who "fought and bled" for a larger estate than your modest family home? Who just so happen to have means of production for industry on their land, and then decide to buy other land, etc, etc. You just recreated capitalism.

>Also, not all cases are equal.
That's exactly why you fucked up. Not all private domiciles are equal. Some are shacks, some are massive palatial estates. And the massive palatial estates under absolutely NO terms can be privately owned if you're going to have socialism. It's just not possible. They will always act as weedbeds for capitalism.

>Those should be CONFISCATED
So you have the idea of private property, but want to apply it arbitrarily as you see fit. Welcome to the USSR.

>Capitalism is cancer
You won't get any argument from me there. The real problem with any system is that most people are both evil and stupid and it takes herculean effort to get competent people into a leadership position. Unfortunately, capitalism, because it panders to sociopaths basically guarantees that you will NEVER have that happen. At least other systems give a you chance. Even dictatorships have the remote possibility of a benevolent dictator, and even modern dictators do SOME decent things for their people. But capitalism? Only if it gives the rich more money and benefits the people as a by-product.

>Fact:
>Something that is an opinion
You fail. American education at work

>Fact: Socialist nations have all failed, or are currently failing.
Interesting, but aren't you dumbshits so fond of claiming that Euro countries are "ebul socialists"? Either they are or they aren't. Make up your mind. And all the actual Socialist countries were destroyed in WWII. In fact, go ahead and attempt to explain the fact that there are no actual socialist countries left without attributing it to WWII. Literally the only reason the Germans lost that war was because they were fighting most of the planet. AND THEY STILL ALMOST WON.

>Capitalism
>Superior
That's why it had to join a massive Socialist force to defeat another Socialist nation, right? Hell, crapitalism didn't even defeat Nazi Germany - another Socialist state did.

>Now can you explain that while Soviet Russia was imploding it still managed to beat the shit out of America?

It never did.

Didn't it?

>Pop Quiz: Who invented rocket technology? Was it America?

a white guy invented basketball

>You fail. American education at work

No, I am 100% correct. There is no argument here. Capitalism > everything else.

>Interesting, but aren't you dumbshits so fond of claiming that Euro countries are "ebul socialists"? Either they are or they aren't. Make up your mind.

That's a strawman. Bad socialist, bad.

European nations are capitalist.

>That's why it had to join a massive Socialist force to defeat another Socialist nation, right? Hell, crapitalism didn't even defeat Nazi Germany - another Socialist state did.

WW2 was not a trade war. It was a war.


You're bad at this. Which website are you from?

The goal of a race is to reach the finish line :)

Because America actually gave a fuck about its citizens. You're saying that China is currently doing better than America because their economic growth is 3 times faster, while completely disregarding the population. USSR was beating America BECAUSE it was imploding. It wasn't some sort of handicap; it was a direct effect of trying keep up with a superior system.

No, socialism is making everyone poor and leaders rich. thus making Corruption inevitable

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>Goddard didn't invent the modern rocket

>That's a strawman.
I don't think you know what strawman means. Americans in public and on Sup Forums both are claiming night and day that Euro nations are "socialist". So they either are and are successes or they're not socialist. So which is it?

>European nations are capitalist.
Now make sure you don't ever call them Socialist again.

>WW2 was not a trade war. It was a war.
Which America scarcely participated in except to make money. What is your point?

>You're bad at this.
You sure fucking are. Which points exactly were you attempting (and failing marvelously) to make?

>USSR was beating America BECAUSE it was imploding
Wow that is some serious bullshit mental acrobatics there. America was doing everything in its power to beat the Russians in the space race and sweating bullets the entire time. This was the cold war and America knew full well it was looking weak by losing to the Russians over and over again. Your argument is literally "Oh well the Americans just didn't care about beating the Russians - they had other concerns."
NOPE.

>Literally the opposite of reality
Kek. Now define Socialism, would you? I feel like being entertained by ignorance.

Haha, you are such cuties...

Tringaporean fascism > capitalism > socialism

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It is a strawman. If you want to argue with me, then argue with -me-, and not the boogeyman you've concocted in your head.

I've already gave you my answer.

>You sure fucking are. Which points exactly were you attempting (and failing marvelously) to make?

translation: "I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I!?"

Answer: Bad at this. You are so bad at this.

Which website are you from?

>Oh look: another libertarian jew. Pure coincidence.

>boogeyman
>M-m-muh no true SCOTSMAN!! Americans/capitalists never claim that Europe is "socialist". That's a sss-s-strawMAN!!
No, faggot. You may be right that YOU personally didn't say that. But try for a fucking second to claim that Americans and capitalists don't claim it on a regular basis.

>translation: "I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I!?"
No, I'm literally asking you. What fucking points were you attempting to make?

Socialism was started by a jew but you seem to love it.

You saying that -I- ever said something, or am beholden to an opinion that you cannot link me to, is a strawman.

You're literally starting arguments from other people with me.

You're very, oh so very bad at this.

Because it is what socialism literally propagated all throughout its history. And do not kid yourself, people who vote for socialists are precisely the ones who have this idea of a welfare society, not the ones who oppose it.
The people respresenting the whole movement defined it over time, same with feminism and social justice.
Stop pointing at a dictionary every time someone tells you that you and your friends are idiots. Socialism is not shit by definition, it is shit because people like you who are behind it are shit.

The Socialism movement always gets taken away from the useful idiots by type A personalities that use the powers the idiots bargained for to horde all the wealth and power for themselves and their friends/families.

That's why socialism is shit, and you're 100% right in your assessment.

No, my argument is:

The Americans cared about beating the Ruskies, just not to the point where they would STARVE their population for more military expenditure and some silly space program. You're seriously incapable of acknowledging the fact the standard of living in Russia was utter shit. Either that, or b8, for which I have fallen.

>Capitalists don't believe in "deserve" except in one situation: they believe people who are born rich deserve everything. Everyone else is "lazy". Eat shit.

Well answer this question then.

Do you believe that you deserve the same reward for going to a shit school that's easy to get into and getting a bachelors in women's study as someone who went to an Ivy League school and got a PHD in a STEM degree and decided not to be a bitch boy and formed his own company?

>it is shit because people like you who are behind it are shit
Seems to be the problem with everything.

So you want non-Jews? Fine. Have a German.

Shoo, mongloid-shit, shoo!

French?

>workers own the means of production

we basically have this in the form of the public sector

American?

I realize. But it's hard to beat libertarianism for sheer jewishness. I should be clear here also, I'm against communism, which is also RIFE with kikes.

>You're bad at this
>You're bad at this
>You're bad at this
No, what site are YOU from?

>Because it is what socialism literally propagated all throughout its history.
That makes literally know sense. I'm going to ask you the same thing I asked the gypsy: define Socialism and watch how little sense the "muh welfare" claim makes after you do.

>And do not kid yourself, people who vote for socialists
>Vote for socialists
Show me an actual socialist candidate and not just someone you're claiming is "socialist" (and isn't) and we'll talk.

>ho have this idea of a welfare society, not the ones who oppose it.
No. That is LITERALLY your retarded misunderstanding and strawman view of socialism. Socialism is not "get welfare from the rich!". You're literally retarded. In a Socialist society the rich DO NOT EXIST.

>The people respresenting the whole movement defined it over time, same with feminism and social justice.
>Hurr people who don't know what the fuck they're talking about get to define something!
No.

>Stop pointing at a dictionary
>Stop using correct definitions of things! You have to use my strawman representation of a thing so I can be right about my retard-level opinion!
No. No, I really do not.

>Socialism is not shit by definition, it is shit because people like you who are behind it are shit.
Well that's fucking hilarious because you just got done bitching about "socialists" (not socialists) veering the movement out of orbit, then you blame someone for using the correct definition and accurately representing the movement while admitting there's nothing wrong with it. You have MPD??

Yeah, but the Socialist will argue that it's not fair that a man who owns the factory, the tools, the machines, the property, the company and takes on all the risks involved gets most of the money made.

They're greedy little faggots. They want all the reward, but are unwilling to take any of the risks.

I asked you first.

What site are you from?

You'll have to forgive him. He grew up "earning" participation trophies and is trying to compare Russia's multiple participation trophies to the U.S. Gold Medal of landing on the moon.

I laughed pretty hard.

Good one, Belgium.

And you're more than likely 100% correct.

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Gay argument there. Have a proper go at his pish ideology instead of looking like a wee fanny. The one you're arguing with is supposed to the cunt, nae you son. Go on, get 'im!

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What I find hilariously sad is that Eastern Europeans will scream from the roof tops about how, and why Communism was so horrible but the Western Europeans will just plug their ears and go "LA LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU! IT WASN'T TRUE SOCIALISM/COMMUNISM!"

What the fuck did I just read?

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That's true of every system, unfortunately. Like I said, it's extremely difficult to get the right people into power. But with capitalism, it's not only difficult - it's impossible because the end goal of a capitalist is ALWAYS to serve themselves, and nobody else.

>The Americans cared about beating the Ruskies, just not to the point where they would STARVE their population for more military expenditure and some silly space program.
Then you don't actually have an argument. The American government cared about the Cold War as priorities about 1 - 1 million. You're just making excuses for the failure of capitalism (yet again), while still trying to claim it's superior.

>You're seriously incapable of acknowledging the fact the standard of living in Russia was utter shit.
Yes and I've already said why, you dumb motherfucker. Seriously, the Anglosphere needs to have better literacy standards. I mean, I know you're mostly third world and non-white at this point, but come on, it's 2016!

>for going to a shit school
I'm going to stop you right there. NO! Bad capitalist! Muh school is not why people are poor. Especially in America where college is literally little more than an extortion racket to saddle young people with debt for as long as possible. Again, you're only proving my point, not yours, because the only people that tend to be free from this debt slavery are those who already were born at least upper middle class and had their parents pay for the shit.

>Muh wimmin's studies
Now this. THIS is a fucking strawman. Just how much of the student body do you think gets degrees in shit like this? This is a fucking "poor people buy lottery tickets, that's why they're poor" level of argument. Capitalists are literally retarded.

nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator_ctb.asp

Capitalists are morons who can only speak in logical fallacies and propaganda.

Yeah, except the rich own the government. Try again.

You're a faggot. And you faggots believe what you see is capitalism when it isn't. The left thinks more taxes and more government will improve everything when the special interests will just impose the taxes in a such a way that will stifle the competition.
>Carbon Tax

The problems we see today can't be attributed to capitalism. You can attribute it to government intervention.

The government and the people will always be separate entities in competition with one another. It's an industry in itself, and will always be influenced by outer forces. More government is not the solution. And good luck getting the money out of politics.

So the only solution we are left with is less government. Government is only the medium.

My family lost several centuries worth of wealth when the communists came.
They confiscated every single property my great grandfather owned and shoved the whole family into a commieblock.
It all happened overnight.

Serve yourself, you weak-minded pussy.

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English and Doric, you bawbag.

The Socialist will just say that it was the right thing to do, and that your family had horded that wealth away from others and had no right to keep it.

>implying that no american investment
youtube.com/watch?v=j3vZNSAi-QM

Maybe when you've finally graduated high school, you can take a basic economics 101 course and realise that you have no idea what you're talking about.

>B-BBUT THAT'S NOT AN ARGUMENT

You're clearly incapable of arguing.

Talk like a person, you Pict bastard.

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Socialism would never work in western nations. People want to be independent.

Also about 90% of the people who advocate socialism are pussies hoping to be some card carrying politician dictating who works where in some cushy government office. They would never survive actual labour. You're no better than the capitalist elite you claim to be fighting against.