French Election

So how is this system better than ours again?
Four(!) candidates got roughly the same number of votes. So what it does it they just steal votes from each other. But in the end there are still only two candidates left. Why the circus with 200 different candidates? Makes no sense at all.

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It isn't.
>The 3/4th of France voted for Le Pen
>Macron wins because the orange counties have more people

Why is Eastern France retarded? Sea-based export cities?

FPTPfags should deck themselves. Oh wait, they do already, every 4 years.

Wow.

In your election the first round is held behind party doors. Barring the general population.
In your country the second round is a mess that is a mockery of democracy.

Yeah but there's originally several candidates for the people to choose from, not just two handed to you from above.

America has a huge retarded primaries system that's explicitly meant to stop the smoke-filled rooms thing. Of course, what it did instead was trash any chances for political innovation and set an outdated party system in stone.

Do you think france's two round system is better or worse than the Australian instant run off system? I like the idea of instant run off elections personally

It used to be always 2 in France too.

French system works well because it keeps fascists out.

When has Australia ever elected a fascist? Australia's system has the same effect while only requiring one polling day. Mandatory voting also prevents extreme candidates from being elected.

I was just meme'ing. Australian system is pretty neat. I like that you can assign priority to multiple party tickets.

It's easier to administer and gives you an outcome sooner but when the election is decided by the flow of preferences it can cause a bit of angst amongst the supporters of the candidate that lost their plurality. So the one thing about a run-off is that voters did make an explicit choice between the two candidates.
Of course, we have a stable society and political system so it's not like we have riots in the street.

>tfw the only reason why Macron won is because he had the most votes

Pretty fucked up system

>from above
kek. as opposed to what, 1000 random candidates? lets elect a Sup Forums's candidate? why not. that's real democracy.

it is kinda fucked, same as in austria recently. a bunch of liberal cucks in big cites always decide the elections.

It seems like in the Australian system you make an explicit choice between all possible candiates. Thanks for the perspective though. It would be frustrating to see you first choice never win and always default to your second or third but at least you can prefer whoever you like without throwing away your vote. The American system is truly the worst of all worlds.

>majority decides the election
And this is supposed to be democracy? Outrageous!

>1000 random candidates
That's almost literally how the ancient Athenians did it
But to be fair their system was based around conscripting burghers to look after a city in turns, not presiding over a modern state apparatus.

>actually voting for le pen

but why? Do you fags really want the russian dick?

Typical inferior Eastern European shit. The French didn't want the enlargement of the EU to the East in 2004 and we, Brits, Dutch, all Western Europeans but Germans see you as inferior people.

What's wrong with Russian dick?

What dick? russian has no dick, only a pussy they're weak as fuck.

This is only true if you believe elections should be determined by a vote per county instead of a vote per citizen. which is BS.
That said if immigrants didn't vote Le Pen would win in a landslide.

nice try playing with definitions. you can definite it all you want but it is supposed to be fair whatever you call it. and it is bullshit that literally one big city can outweigh the rest of the country (austria).

>thinking democracy is any good
a republic is the superior system

you get the benefits of democracy without trampling over minority rights

It's one man, one vote. Not one city/village, one vote.

Well for starters bribery isnt legal

but things have changed since then. i don't get this whole thing about "the original greek democracy" concept. is it supposed to be some kind of an eternal benchmark?

>It's one man, one vote
yes, and that's bullshit and everyone knows that. but to change that you would have to vote. but the vote system is bullshit. so it will remain that way. total bullshit.

>our democracy is fundamentally flawed but that makes us a republic nobis qui romani n shiet

I didn't say our government was any good

Russian aren't causing trouble in our streets. They're not trying to convert us to their religion. They are not our problem.

Who do you want to, and who do you think think will win?


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so basically they are the lesser of the two evils?

Their system allows for outsiders like Le Pen and Macron to come out and challenge the socialists and republicans every now and then, unlike Washington elite who do the same thing regardless of being republican or democrat and promptly cuck you every election because voting for any other party is the equivalent of not going to polls in the first place

I want to take a minute to highlight the fact that pollsters during this round managed to get a very accurate result of the election in their polls.

Don't let alt retards fool you into thinking that polls can't be accurate.

Capitalise your I's you pleb

It was electoral college tier, therefore burger tier, you fucking retard.

>my farmlands and forests voted for le pen WHY ISNT SHE PRESIDENT UNFAIR UNFAIR

do you even realize how retarded you sound considering that trump is our president? i mean i hate him but you are making no sense.

>Brittany
>fisherman and farmers commit suicide because of EU
>EU wants to kill their regional identity
>vote for eurocucks
Thank you for proving the rest of the country that the inbred retarded thing is true.

The difference is that the French can have outsiders come from several parties unlike 2 corrupt ones

>you can definite it (democracy) all you want but it is supposed to be fair whatever you call it.
this is why no one takes americans seriously

They are not an evil at all. We have no reason to hate them or fear them. They barely exist in our daily life.

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yeah just like i said there should be a candidate from a Sup Forums party. or better yet each board should have a separate candidate.

russia is putin. and putin is hitler and a war monger. he is helping assad gas civilians in syria. anyway we will see who's right. if she loses, that will be your answer.

this

yeah but putin hacked america and he killed little children in syria and crimea

>russia is putin. and putin is hitler and a war monger. he is helping assad gas civilians in syria.
literally kill yourself you low iq imbecile

kek russian shills are everywhere

You need to have 500 signatures from mayors out of our 36 681 communes, its not a free for all.

yes top fucking kek

The people who voted Macron are fucking retarded people that know nothing about politics and only and watch TV all day. Macron is literally Hollande and he may be even worse.

The people who voted Le Pen are just retarded people that hate muslims and know nothing about economy.

Our next president is chosen by those retarded people. True right oriented people won't have Fillon. True left oriented people won't have Mélenchon. Juste de la merde.

You mum is la merde :^)

Im so fucking pissed about Fillon, I just wanted liberal economy + national identity.

That sounds a bit similar to our situation. Both hillary's and trump's supporters are equally cancer. White trash/tea party vs sjw. Nice. And a true right wing.. I don't know if there is such a thing anymore.

>putin killed little children in crimea

>t. Vladislav "Jaq" Merenchovitz

they've been accurate since then massive fuckups in 2002 and 2005

after those 2 failures they tweaked their process and gave much more accurate

since then, pretty much all the polls have been pretty close to the actual results

idk, that name sounds much more polish than russian

tfw french men are cucks

>russia is putin. and putin is hitler and a war monger. he is helping assad gas civilians in syria.
are you retarded?

you also believe that russia hacked the us election?

>putin is hitler and a war monger

lol

Marine will lose, but that's not related in any way with Russia. No one gives the slightest fuck if France is for or against Russia (even though French people usually prefer elegant diplomatic solutions to be "for" rather than "against" anyone, but that's not really relevant in an election).

With Fillon, you would have had not-so-liberal economy + nothing special about identity + more and more immigrants anyway.

Just like Sarkozy during his five-year term.

>Do you fags really want the russian dick?
what the fuck are you talking about?

>Macron is literally Hollande
I know, that's why I voted for him.

yes stop killing innocent children in crimea and syria and stop hacking evil people into office you russian subhumans

actually, Macron is Hollande without the left wing of the PS

Even better

If Fillon could have avoided that scandal he would have been the best choice imo.
Now the choice is basically if you want to wreck the EU and the economy for the next 10 years or not

Le Pen is a Russia shill financed by Putin

whoa you mean they give people voting power over land?
no way...

No. One person = one vote, end of.

Democracy is just garbage

Fillon and Melenchon are also somewhat pro-Russian afaik

And your preferred system is?

Anarchy and communism are both better than democracy imo

>1 vote counts as 1 vote

whoa...

Opinion disregarded

So are they going to a second round now or what

Source?

she is financed by a private russian bank, doesn't mean she has to suck the russian president's dick, this doesn't make any sense
And so far, did she say anything about Russia? I don't keep up the news a lot

In two weeks is the 2nd round.
Trum- I mean Le Pen has no chance of winning tho

You sure about that she got 20% of the votes here

*21.3

but the people in the countryside are actually retarded undereducated morons, why would they deserve a bigger vote? If anything, we should ignore all the countryside/village voters.

>Anarchy
Underage detected

>Trump
Le Pen actually has half a brain cell

She won't get ~18% like her dad in 2002, but she won't get through this.

That you Hilary?

The Trump thing was supposed to be a humorous reference to the fact that anything is possible no matter what the media predicts.
If the Russians manage to dig up something like the Hillary email scandal then Le Pen might very well win.

t. ahmed

>Le Pen actually has half a brain cell
So do the french, which is why she wont win.

Yes. Last polls give her 40% but I think she will be around 35%

>If the Russians manage to dig up something like the Hillary email scandal then Le Pen might very well win
The worst thing Microsoft has is his GILF. He hasn't ever been elected, he was a banker but didn't even evade taxes.

Ironic humor is very hard because it looked like you were making fun of americans supporting le pen as if she was a female version of drumpf.

Ahmed never finished school either, he shouldn't get a vote either.

He shouldn't be in your country period.

Well, we brought some Ahmed's in to do our dirty work.

What do you do for a living?

Why couldn't people from your country do that work

>So do the french
t. Jean Paul Claude

I don't know, most people here didn't want to do heavy industrial labor, but it still needed to be done.

Still studying