Explain to me the problem with Fascism

Explain to me the problem with Fascism

Go ahead, I'll wait.

The only argument against it is literally
>muh feelings
>muh degenerate freedoms

There is no actual argument against it. Only fools aren't Fascists

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Sick map cuzi. How'd you do it

The problem with fascism is we already have it and the jews run the ship.

>Sick map

> Austria and Germany are divided in the map.

The fourth reich ain't finished until 'Anschluss 2: No More Jewaloo' is finished.

>Explain to me the problem with Fascism
Historically it has never ended well for anybody

>Belgium still has the Verdinaso flag and not the Rexist flag

Someone fix this shit.

that flag is a clusterfuck

I-it's racist and says mean things...

The problem with fascism is that nationalism works better.

Because it was only tried in the 30s and 40s by a handful of countries and they were actually doing great until Republics fucked them up. Its been too raycis since then do again.

Freedom isn't degenerate, freedom can be used for greatness or for degeneracy just as well, it's up to you.

What I've noticed is that whatever is closest to nature and what is the most natural way for humans to live also works the best. Therefore, appeal to nature is not always a fallacy.

A small government, libertarian society with free market capitalism is the way to go. To be honest, the way to create working societies is to look into animal kingdoms. Sure they're much less intelligent but they are still very similar to us humans. The less regulation, the better off will all humans be. Smart, objectivist individuals can create their own small societies inside others and the unintelligent, lazy and vapid fucks can die in a hole all I care.

Explain to me the obsession with Fascism

Go ahead, I'll wait.

The only argument for it is literally
>muh feelings
>muh degeneracies

There is no actual argument for it. Only fools are Fascists

Power corrupts and total power corrupts totally.

kek but true

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Fascism is for people too stupid to have freedom.
And most fascist organizations are absolutely degenerate, such as ONR (the one on the map in Poland).

Then how do we get rid of all the degenerates? Politely ask them to leave?

>germany with prussia's flag
>90% of original prussia in poland

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It is a severe form of bonapartism and extreme republicanism.
As a monarchist, I cannot accept any movement that rises from the people and preaches a form of equality.

Read Evola's "Fascism Viewed From The Right".

kek

Offer them certain benefits if they get themselves sterilized.

What even is fascism. Every definition I find ends up being "somthing like hitler's germany". Does Fascism even mean anything or is it just another buzzword for jewish mind control?

Based leaf

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You can make something like this easily as long as you have the stock pictures. Search for "paint dot net". Its the best image editor, free, pretty easy to use.

Then you just use the wand to highlight a country, press M to make the selection usable instead of moveable, add a new layer then paste the flag in and move it to position, it cuts itself out for you.

Other useful shortcuts are F4 for making a single layer translucent, Ctrl+I to invert your selection, Ctrl+D to dis select, and Ctrl+A to select all. Also if you want to remove pixels individually you have to select pencil, set it to 'overwrite' then make it all the way transparent. It helps with cutting out stuff.

Have fun and make fashy memes goy.

> anesi.com/Fascism-TheUltimateDefinition.htm

If you don't bother to dig deep enough, you shall never receive answers.

By cutting off all welfare and social services, the degenerates will rid themselves.

Non-degenerate people can decide for themselves if they want degenerates in their neighborhoods or places, if they don't, they can happily fill the degenerates who break in with bullets if they want to.

>cares about degenerates

Fuck off

It tends to lead the nation into self destruction

A lack of separation of power innevitably leads to overeach which is at high risk of leading to disaster.

If there could be some sort of qausi fascist state where the separation of powers remained intact, this might solve the issue. You could have something along the lines of a constitution which enshrines certain fascistic ideals, yet without concentrating poower in the hands of a dictator.

>Only fools aren't Fascists

Unfortunately, you couldn't be more wrong. The only Fascists left are fools.

That's not to say that there's anything wrong with Fascism, because as far as I'm concerned, it's the only thing capable of saving the West & is a great alternative to Socialism and Capitalism.

That being said, let's look at who identifies as a "Fascist" these days, it's certainly not people who have read Mosley, D'Annunzio, Giovanni Gentile, or any of the others. Most of them wouldn't understand the concept of Futurism at all.

Fascists nowadays are just Naziboo trash who are under the impression that Hitler's Germany was just a racially conscious libertarian paradise.

The ones that don't fall into the above category make the fatal mistake of assuming that Fascism is a "Plug and Play" ideology. They make the fatal assumption that, in America for instance, we can take the model of the Third Reich, or Fascist Italy, and successfully copy it here. They are completely oblivious to the fact that Fascism is a seed, which can grow into a number of different things, depending upon the soil in which it is planted.

Fascists need to move beyond Fascism. Mosley made it clear, following WWII, that the age of Fascism & National Socialism had passed. He described neo-Nazis as being "political pygmies masquerading in the clothes of dead giants."

Do we have to abandon Fascism entirely? No. However, we need to do some renovations. The first, and most obvious step, is to completely drop the SS LARPers; those types of people do nothing but harm.

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Second of all, we have to understand that Fascism was intended to combat the struggles of the 20th Century, not the 21st. Certain things need to be reevaluated (The value of autarky, the question of Race vs. Nationality (ie, the German approach, or the Italian approach), the stance on foreign policy, etc. Fascism was proposed as an alternative in a world stuck between the weak, but abusive Capitalism, and oppressive, nation-wrecking Communism. It can still serve as a template, but the world has moved to mixed-market economies, we're struggling against globalism, & we face new threats (such as Islamic terrorism)

Beyond a reevaluation of Fascism itself, Fascists need to stop being Fascists; start to rebrand. Have you noticed how, despite the modern left being heavily influenced by Marxism, there aren't a lot of Communists these days? In America, we don't even see many socialists (Bernie Sanders is the exception to this rule). The ideology is still in place, the advocates of those ideologies have just rebranded, for the most part.

The "Communists" in the modern, Western world are old holdouts, or young, unwashed College kids (Not SJWs, not even they want to associate with Communists). Fascist holdouts are dead, our "Young, unwashed College kids," are neo-Nazis.

Pick a new label, just like the Marxists did. They're hiding behind the labels of "progressive" or, at worst, "Democratic Socialist"/"Social Democrat."

It's one of their smarter moves. The average person isn't going to take a "Communist" seriously, but they might listen to a progressive.

Fascism is an accurate label, but it's become a political curse word. It is far too late to reverse that trend, so drop it, and pick a new name. You don't have to name drop Mussolini, Codreanu, Primo de Rivera, or Mosley to advocate their principles.

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>All that reading

That's the problem with Fascism.

It failed multiple times during the XXth century.

>As a monarchist
Good goy

A FUCKING FLAME

>Non-degenerate people can decide for themselves if they want degenerates in their neighborhoods or places

Someone has never been poor and living on his own.

Degeneration will never stop, but those people are to be confined and used for the good of everyone else, much like in the chaste system in India before the colonization. The pariah, the lowest form of human being, even lower than the slave or the commoner, was a warning for all those who decided to defy the hierarchy, both ways.


I would like to also add that fascism and national socialism bore no respects to the previous power system, with the great exception of Léon Degrelle: they were fervent socialists, both Gentile and Mussolini, and Adolf Hitler was a staunch republican (in a republic/monarchy opposition sense).

The nationalism, the ethnic cleansings within Europe (such as north east italy, perpetrated by the italian nationalists which converged in the fascist party), the total nature of every single policy of those ideologies... all these things are extremely non-european and alien to our beautiful, millenary, rock-solid culture. That kind of behaviour belongs to the south of the world, where life has such little value that wiping out a neighbouring tribe is no big deal.

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But in countries with no social services they just get a lot of children to provide for them. They are not going to go away.

They will do low work or turn to crime and while you might say
>well, everyone is armed and can defend themselves in my libertarian world
there would still be a lot of crime going on that could not be prevented. Social security is a good way to keep poor people from rioting or turning to criminal activities. There only needs to be a way to make sure those people can't procreate.

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Essentially in fascism you have a lawful authoritarian state under ethnic nationalism that rules an entrepreneurial, racially collective traditionalist population that has property rights and the state intervenes on corporatism if it effects the people or economy negatively. It also has its own bank and opposes internationalism.

So essentially an aristocratic state subjugates corporations for the good of the country.

>Good goy
I suggest you read "The Fez And The Kippah" by Andrea Giacobazzi.
Before ethnic laws made it impossible, two thirds of italian jews were members of the PNF, the national fascist party.

After the racial laws, they were still on the fascists' side, yet not openly.

A monarchic, organic and hierarchycal society works for everyone and assigns to each its own place. No one is a menace as every single person has a otherworldly duty and boundary.
Such a feature is unique to traditional societies, of which fascist communities or states are not a part.

Or we could just fire up the ovens, no need to make it complicated.

OOSH

Giving the state the power to kill it's own citizens is not a very smart idea, if you are a citizen.

> freedoms
> not an argument

Holy shit, you're just as stupid as the authoritarian liberals.

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You have to, otherwise we have to wait for lynch mobs to do it and they're terribly inefficient.

Exactly, the situation in Europe is, Us vs Them, and it will most definitely be them.

I can imagine at the tipping point, if we can't get rid of the Jews, Marxists and traitorous government, the military will defect to balkanised white regions. That is, in the case that there's a full on armed chimpout.

If you refer to the rapefugees: If we would not give them any handouts they would leave tomorrow. Look at all those countries who don't. They don't have any problems whatsoever.

only poorly educated or highly stupid individuals glorify fascism, so many books were written about topic yet delusional stormfags still masturbate to vision of third reich
seriously, like google "books about fascism". just do it, read a few thomes, and then try to not kill yourself when you realize how clueless you were

>our fascism was fucking forcibly destroyed (1946)
>everyone who was aginst the commies was killed (and his family)
>fuck this world

Then they can get as many children as they want, what's the problem? The main point is that unless they fuck up the lives of non-generate, succesful people they can do whatever the fuck they want.

>there would still be a lot of crime going on that could not be prevented
Look pal, niggers and other shitskins will commit crime regardless, we prevent what we can and that's it.

>social security is a good way to keep poor people from rioting or turning to criminal activities
No, with a free market anyone can find at least reasonably well-paying work and provide for themselves, and move out of their degenerate ghettos if they so choose. They can riot in their own ghettos if they want to, it's up to their own police force to choose whether it's okay or not okay. If they try to riot in a more stable enviroment, then they can expect bullets.

They can procreate as much as they want to, as it has no effect outside of their breeding grounds. If it ultimately leads to mass starvation and death for them, good riddance, I don't care.

>unironically being an authoritarian
I can't stop laughing.

Not entirely, the rapefugees would, not all of them though, some would stay for the underground work wages, access to consumer goods and access to ficki ficki with blonde infidels.

In the case of negroes they would certainly not go back to Africa. Somalia literally doesn't have a government. Whites live in a high trust society, as long as anti-racism and white guilt exists they will get jobs. As long as the Jew banks bleed our countries we're still under their thumb. As long as the Jews control the media they'll encourage our population to mongrelise themselves with negroes because its 'cool'. As long as our freedom to collectivise as a race is thwarted by emotional handcuffs like 'racist', 'fascist' we're in dire trouble. They all have to go back, and simple solutions like "stop the gibs" are a tiny part of the solution.

The only OOSHTBHFAM solution is killing or deporting them, all of them, the Jews included and becoming nativist, nationalist, authoritarian too just to undo the damage of the kike media.

Because it gives a potential faggot full and complete power, or at least far to much dependent on the extreme. Also war is undoubtedly evil, that is incontestable.

because a few shouldn't decide what everyone else does.

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Fascism is for ultra faggots that need the state to tell them to be just and have strong ethical values.
Nationalism =/= Fascism.

Well this is just a matter of opinion. You want to use slavery, I'd give them opportunity to become succesful if they want to.

a militaristic, nationalistic, system that enforces conformity and completely suppresses individual freedoms.

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Nationalism is usually an aspect of Fascism, right?

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>liberturdian thinks freedom comes from individualism and democracy
Look around you cuck, you're surrounded by a howling mob who are happy to watch their race be besmirched and their culture become sickly, but would throw you into a spike pit if they could would they deem you "racist".

It doesnt matter what your form of goverment is, as long as its free of jewish influence your people will prosper.

whats mexico doing in there?

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>he trusts other people with his in group's morals
Top fucking kek. Submission to the lawful authority of your in group is the essence of being a white man. Its everything great our culture built. Personal freedoms don't need to sweep across everything. Even Hitler tolerated known closet faggots in his SA like Rohm until the faggots started to band together and get cliquish.

What a fucking edgelord

Here's an argument against it you should take seriously:
If there was a fascist government you'd go off to the chambers for being a limp-wristed spotty autist who's weak and would provide nothing to society.

But what is keeping them in their places? They will live in ghettos, yes, but they will go to other parts of town to beg, steal and be a general nuisance for everyone else. They have an effect on other people (even if it is as little as the cost of the increased numbers of cops), and there should be policies in place to reduce their population size or at least keep them from growing.

Cutting the handouts will be enough for most of them to leave, as long as they have other options to leech from. Those that stay will have to be deported and those that can not get deported for whatever reason should be strongly incentivized to get a sterilization. This will cause their numbers to go down over time, combined with a strong border protection this could solve the problem without any death sqauds and totalitarian measures.

Nice meme, but that's a shit argument that has no basis in reality.

I used to value freedom and believed that everybody deserves to say what they want until I realized that not everybody has earned their freedoms. Many don't deserve them. You'd let the degenerate faggots have parades on the same streets you use to honour your fallen? Give them the freedom to fail and drag others down with them? There is a standard, mommy and daddy were right when they told you not to be a fool.

Fucking love iron gaurd cordeanu,what name do you reccomend and does nationalism still an okay word to use?

That's some shitpost Achmed, how did you manage to get 3 whole sentences out without applying something other that strawman? Also don't forget to screencap your (you) for /r/liberal you cuckhold faggot.

>Explain to me the problem with Fascism
I can't.
W IL DUCE

Enjoy being led by Kikes.
>Hurr Durr we are going to outsmart them.

You can't EVER consolidate power into one government. Thats how you get fucked over in every way imaginable-- well at least eventually.
Sure. But the state is telling you to love it. Its circular.

Nationalism doesn't need the rule of law to back it. Its intrinsic.

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>strongly incentivized to get a sterilization
Nice idea, I used to be a fan of the sterilisation plan myself. I think it should definitely be applied to Africa, using bags of rice as an incentive (providing we cut their foreign aid) in exchange for their vasectomies and having their tubes tied. Its the only humane way to treat Africa to be frank.

But lets face it, even if those 3 million did arrive by 2017, a white organised collective could deport every non-white and hybrid mongrel in a matter of a few months. Every 1/4 negro living in every obscure village in rural Sweden could be gone in less than half a year, just by forced deportation with just the co-operation of 10-20% of the population would completely turn the tables. 10-20%, arguing against the joke that is anti-racism would absolutely trounce the current Jewish narrative.

Here's a good Andrew Anglin speech to listen to, if you haven't already
youtube.com/watch?v=v_4_XE2hQwc

I'd say that Nationalism is an okay term, though (In America at least), there should be an attempt to synonymize it with "Patriotism."

As far as my personal taste goes, I'm currently in favor of "Right-Wing Populist."

It's really a meaningless term, but it's not threatening, and offers a few significant advantages.

First of all, it seems to be the term that the mainstream has adopted for the new Far-Right. However, despite that, it's too broad to serve as a loaded term.

Right-Wing Populist can be used to describe everything from Ross Perot to the Golden Dawn. There's a Bastiat quote that talks about just how hard it is to nail down what "Socialism is," because Socialism itself is a somewhat broad term, and Socialists avoided making any declarations.

Personally, and I might just be too autistic about this, I'm in favor of playing the Left's word game. They currently have a monopoly on language, so it's time we started to take things from their playbook.

"Right-Wing Populism" is broad enough to shield from serving as an insult, and it offers plenty of flexibility.

Beyond that, in America at least, I'd say we should try to appropriate the term Paleoconservative, which, again, is nonthreatening.

> this could solve the problem without any death sqauds and totalitarian measures.
> without any death sqauds and totalitarian measures.

Way to take all the fun out of it Hans.

Funny that authoritarian states kept Europe pure, rich and close to nature for thousands of years. Funny that Jews were behind democratisation. Funny that Jews own the media. Funny that the aristocracies of old hated the Jews. Funny that democratic societies love Jews. Funny that authoritarian states in the past that were seen as not serving the people were crushed by popular uprisings but social democracy keeps everyone, the army, the people complacent just enough to hate populism and insurrections. Use your head for once liberturdian, you don't need all those rights to shit all over your boyfriend's chest then toss his salad, just close the curtain for once.

You didnt gave an argument...

Based man.

>pic related

Just a pole bitch like you can say that

I guess in the case of a clear ingroup and outgroup such measures could be applied without making way for a totalitarian regime, if they are strictly kept in check.

But there are also other degenerates, and if you start applying the same measures against your own citizens, things will inevitably turn nasty. In these cases I guess the sterelization plan is mich more promising.

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fascism guarantee freedom and independence to nations and peoples.

>Fascism is for people too stupid to have freedom.
You mean 90% of the population? Well, at least you've found a way to feel superior to everyone, pro-tip, you're part of the 90% :^)

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So fascism in America would mean going to first fat person you see pat his back and tell him how glorious his body got because of all those USA produced burgers and how great he is just for being American.

In my imaginary libertarian society, localization would be the cornerstone of all law and order. Districts/boroughs of cities can have their own set of laws and policies, even leftist ones like welfare and social security if they choose to have them. The only restrictions to these laws would be along the lines of freedom of movement, no one can keep another captive. Also, use of violence within reason, no assaulting without aggravating. The very small government would provide a police force, and the districts can use their share of the force however they want to. Obviously, the officers working in there would be notified of their own laws and can decline participating in policing in that area if they choose so.

So, if human scum becomes too prevalent, they can set laws so you can, for example, shoot a person for begging or loitering and so on. These laws and policies would then be released out in the open, so people know what to expect when they cross borders.

To prevent a district/city/state from becoming hostile to other mentioned places, the government would keep tabs on all of them, and making sure that if all hell breaks loose in one of them, the army would protect the nearby semi-autonomous areas and demolish anti-*insert country here* ideologies.

The measures would be fine as long as the population is fine with them. Dead faggots, why not? Dead gypsies? Sure. Dead mulattoes? Yes. Dead Poles? Eh, why not just tell them to go back to Poland, tell them there are German drug addicts that will be rehabilitated with forced toilet cleaning and their services are no longer needed.

I mean the sterilisation is also dangerous, what if the government went crazy then castrated all the natives? It wouldn't happen because the state, in this scenario would care about its population, fearing a coup. As the opposite of democracy, the goal of fascism is fast change and upholding basic, dialectic reasoning, tradition. People react to sudden change, like a frog straight to boiling water, but democracy is so dangerous because its a slow boil.

Do you have a blog?

Write more.

Except for the more absolute of monarchs, those "Authoritarians" were more or less limited by estates. The more power you gave to a monarch the more likely that one bad monarch can turn everything to shit.

Its funny how you say they kept Europe "Pure".
-The Papal State did an absolutely horrid job, and degenerated Christianity.
-Muslims were literally nearly *in* Rome and Vienna.
-Most Rulers couldn't even be bothered to support anyone against the invading hordes.

Hell had the mongols kept going west they would have very likely steam rolled up into central Europe.

Honestly its funny how you have a disdain for democracy and republics even though its existed for just as long as Feudal Monarchs have. Literally most of White "Domination" has been in the past 200 years.

So yea, objectively you are wrong.