So why doesn't the US just call it a fucking day already and move to single-payer healthcare?

so why doesn't the US just call it a fucking day already and move to single-payer healthcare?

Wealthiest country in the world and yet we can't take the time to budget one of major staples of the 1st world

because they want a rich 1st world industry with a cheap 3rd world population

so far everyone is dumb and uneducated enough to cheer it all on

I couldn't agree more

Because we'd rather spend billions on weapons we don't need.

Because a bunch of backwater herp-a-derps are afraid that summa thar tax munny gon go to helf car for neeeee-grows.

Thats why.

sad

sad

DEATH PANELS!

>whites are majority
>whites don't want to pay for nigger and wetback healthcare

we will never have single payer unless its forced or we can have a govt that is on the same page.

>I live in the greatest country to be born in, into extreme privilege, yet I need the government to take care of me because I'm a retard

>govt forces me to buy expensive insurance
vs
>just having the govt pay for it

its okay user. you can get treatment for retardation under single-payer

Sorry to break it to you my dude but your parents taxes are definitely paying for Medicaid and Medicare already and let me tell you that is not going away any time soon as long as grey hairs have the right to vote.

Single payer results in huge beaurocracy, long wait times, hard number caps on surgeries(like cataract and hip replacement surgury), and delayed introduction of new medical techniques, meds, and technologies as they must be studied unto death before accepted...
3rd world countries like Canada and UK have single payer...look into young fella Charlie Gard, whose doctors and the hospital took the parents to court for months, and refused additional treatments as they (the doctors and the court) decided it was time for him to die...

>they decided it was time for him to die

i'm sure he would agree himself

its funny that people against universal healthcare are usually people who spread misinformation.

The wait times are completely fine. My grandma had a hip replacement within 2 weeks of going over it with her doctor. She paid nothing.

I'm 33 faggot and I'll never support single payer if we have all these lazy niggers and spics in America

"Single payer results in huge beaurocracy, long wait times, hard number caps on surgeries(like cataract and hip replacement surgury), and delayed introduction of new medical techniques, meds, and technologies as they must be studied unto death before accepted..."


You mean kinda like it is now, without it?
Derp!

Unlikely death dealer...
I live in Ontario Canada, 3rd world shithole with 'free healthcare'...last time I was in a hospital, it was 13 hours before I finally left at 4am...
My mother had a double hip replacement 2 years ago, but it took 9 months after diagnosis to get surgery...
Want to visit family in hospital? $15 for parking...
In the States? $0...it's a service...

In the states, you can get an MRI the day you want it...in Canada, it can take 45 days wait...

so you're complaining about a parking fee but not the actual cost of the hip replacement? wonderful.

btw most american hospitals have free valet parking.

It's because hospitals charge too much so no one pays their bills

So these greedy ass jews were like "well pass laws to make America split the bill"

Aca is a fucking socialist scam wrapped around a capitalist one

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Depends on the hospital. Parking is not free at my county general. Except on weekends.

>Aca is a fucking socialist scam wrapped around a capitalist one
ACA was made to fail. It wad designed to fail so more Americans would feel more comfortable with single-payer healthcare
'well, we're halfway there so might as well' kind of thing

people like this exist and its disgusting.

but morally, whats more important?

taking care of people who truly need it or making sure these kinds of people arent leeching off the rest of the population(at the cost of not helping those in need that truly deserve it)?

>food trolley
lol wat

That parking fee is part of the hospitals budget, they burn through money pretty quick...
However, as I pay a huge amount in Federal and Provincial income tax, sales tax, other tax and fees, the actual cost of the hip replacement is getting covered...as the governments rape you for anything the can wring out of you...

There's no such thing as a free lunch.

I live with universal healthcare. I don't use it. I pay extra for private care. Because the quality (both in terms of treatment and other such things as waiting times) is horrible.

You are going to pay for it, one way or another. The question is whether or not you want to use government to force it on people.

Don't worry. One day you'll get a job, start paying taxes and grow up.

I want universal health care in america... but this shit will totally happen in america.

that said, i still think you punish the leeches on the system in some other way instead of not having the system at all, that just hurts everyone.

can't have an argument without insulting? use logic and reasoning to change someones views, not insults.

We're the wealthiest country on Earth because we don't punish winners by making them pay for losers.

'can' is a weasel word.

Your statement is rendered meaningless by its use.

my house is broken into and i call the cops, heyo i got a free police lunch.

dont be retarded, health is right there with law enforcement and fire prevention etc... government should pay for it dont let the big pharma rape your stupid ass one day cause you didnt want dem lazy niggers to get suntin fur free.

Just like you can buy a billion dollar mansion tomorrow if you wanted.

He thinks he is the grownup here.
huyhuyhuy

Because it is hugely expensive and the usual cries of "gut the military" and "soak the rich" are no where near enough to pay for it. They couldn't even get this shit off the ground in California. Now that is saying something when the most liberal state in the US can't muster the political juice to get single payer going. The reason is that after pricing it out, it was estimated that setting up a single payer system would cost $400 billion per year. Cal's current yearly budget FOR EVERYTHING is $125 billion. When NY state looked into single payer, they determined that everyone's (not just the rich, but every single taxpayer) taxes would have to be doubled AT A MINIMUM. to pay for single payer healthcare. The current system is far from perfect and has lots of room for improvement, but the Gov't seems to fuck up everything that it touches. Do you really want them more involved in the healthcare system?

1% of the population so wealthy the country is the wealthiest on earth.

see we're ALL part of the wealthy country on earth guys! The rest of you just live in poverty!

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What is it you don't seem to understand???
>government should pay for it
And, who pays for the government??? Is it all majical mystery monies???
The people fund the government...ergo, if you end up with single payer, then every single taxpayer will pay substantially more in tax...

...

>I'm 33 faggot and I'll never support single payer if we have all these lazy niggers and spics in America

So... you'd rather pay the world's largest healthcare bills (and still occasionally get denied insurance payments when lawyers have their way with you) than risk someone else getting free treatment too?

Sounds like crab mentality.

"Wealthiest country in the world" LUL

Because we're already going broke. Why add more outgo without coming up with the income

" if you end up with single payer, then every single taxpayer will pay substantially more in tax..."

... and zero in insurance premiums and deductibles. See how that works? You wind up actually paying less as an average citizen. Especially when you figure in the instant 30% savings that comes from eliminating the profit-taking by the insurance industry.

false.

Don't bother , these faggot NEETs will never understand

>Wealthiest country in the world
Wealthy in debt.. u dumb fuck

Because "single payer" doesn't exist.
Canada, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, China ALL have brackets for healthcare and they all pay differently based on that.

If it isn't a healthcare bracket, they pay in their respective tax bracket.

Pie in the sky is the most expensive kind, OP. You liberal cuck.

Costs to park at medical center in Houston

unles gasp...someone was hording the money, maybe the ultra wealthy who wouldnt even notice a slight tx cut? OR heaven forbid we dont support dem trooper mhmm and maybe cut back like 1 or 2% on our military budget that is literally ridiculously more than the next 6 nations combined??? but no wars are still won by throwing dollars at bigger and better weapons and armies, random terrorists dont just blow themselves up in our own country these days which throwing billions at the military to make stealth bombers and aircraft carriers which does jack shit about that random terrorist. but big business makes a killing off it all, wake the fuck up.

You funny. Over 100 Million pay nothing in taxes now. Under single payer, they STILL will pay nothing. Who do you think will pay for this?

Son, I assure you the net cost to you in the US would still be far more than what you paid in your "3rd world shithole" even after the taxes your parents pay on their income.

Sick anecdotal evidence my goy

The same people that are paying for it now, mostly.

Only much more efficiently.

One point that I believe that you have forgotten. Those payments that are currently taken out of your paycheck to cover health insurance aren't taxed. That is one of the reasons that we have the current problem. If you no longer have those deductions, that money will now be taxed at the same rate as your income. That could have ramifications such as moving you into a higher tax bracket. Even so, depending upon how much your taxes would have to increase to cover the cost, do you really believe that the little extra money that you'd get from not having to pay your own premiums would offset the bump in taxes?

$15 parking = 3rd world shithole.

try the U.S. system a trip to the hospital is debt from here on out. we were always good at slavery...

That's not what we voted for, you vote for what you want, and I voted for what I want.

Absolutely. Especially if you find yourself sick and unemployed - and they often go together.

With universal healthcare, you pay tax money to the government that uses it to treat as many maladies as possible.

Without universal healthcare, you pay insurance money to insurance companies that make a PROFIT from it. And then the private hospitals make as much profit as possible from the patients they treat.

Why is this so hard to understand? It's like paying a shop for groceries versus paying a third party to pay for your groceries.

>why
U.S. government is riddled with corruption

War is our number one priority. Billions and billions annually. Who needs health when you got bombs.
Also ost Americans have debt. How could they budget for anything more?

the jews are the ones tricking the U.S. into paying to have part of their dicks cut off. The goys here are the ones supporting jewish "each goy pays for it himself" health care.

The tax rates will have to change, and certain exclusions removed to make it workable.

also half the U.S. population is retarded and so easily tricked into voting against their best interests because they are to stupid to realize that the divide and conquer tactic of "dont pay for those lazy niggers" fucks them in the ass.

stupid democrats and their lets barrow from 500 years from now for today, and keep the slave vote for handouts going

like digging your self deeper to try and dig out of a hole, its just retarded

because
>niggers and spics(it is not 90%+ white/asian)
>323 million people
>one federal government ruling over...
>...50 states
>...with different economic situations
>...with different people
>...with different needs
>huge national debt i.e. we can't afford it
>and the entire health system is more or less rotten to the core
Even though it works in Scandinavia, Canada, England and other white countries with a more centralised government with small populations it will be a disaster if implemented in the US

Evidence por favor amigo

the media controls people and the people that control the media don't want to be taxed

I'm 52, and my parents retired years ago...I have a son and daughter, both pushing 30...so the living in my parents basement doesn't fly son...
And I agree, the net cost of what I pay in tax, and the match by my employer may work out to be less than I pay now...however I guarantee that the services would be far better...
Got a question for you...some wait times here in Canada are long, and some new medical technologies just aren't available...so we get canadians traveling to the US for treatment all the time...
My question to you is, if the Canadian single payer system is as good as you think it is...why aren't Americans flocking here for treatment? They'd have to pay cash, but it'd be so much cheaper...

Who says they aren't?

They definitely like to get their prescriptions filled there.

They aren't...Govn'ts publish that kind of data, like colleges and uni's about foreign student income...
US residents don't come to Canada for medical treatment because it's inferior...
Prescriptions are cheaper, and US citizens do it all online...
Problem is, you want someone else to pay your bills, cover your ass cause your to irresponsible to get the coverage you need...probably cause you took some stupid social science uni program, and have a worthless degree working as a barista at starfucks...
Should have gotten into a trade, and made money while you learned...then be able to afford the coverage you need...

>government should pay for it

The government doesn't pay for anything.

The government doesn't have any money. Only people have money. The only money governments can spend is the money it takes by reaching into our pockets. And nobody spends the money of others more carefully than they do their own. My country is spending a huge amount on socialist programs, yet everything keeps getting worse. There is not a single centralized authority that can spend the money of others more effectively than you can spend your own.

I don't want anyone to get anything for free. I'm in favor of government letting people KEEP more of what they have themselves earned.

Senior citizens don't want to help niggers.

The outcomes in Canada are as good or better than in the US. Complain all you want about having to wait for new hips - but people die unnecessarily in the US at a rate greater than in Canada. Nothing superior about that. Also, we get the privilege of paying substantially more for less overall success.

"The government doesn't have any money. Only people have money"

You got that completely ass-backwards, son.

ALL the money belongs to the govt. Thats why their name is on it.

Stop reading Mises - its feces.

This is one of the most complicated political and economic questions of our time. No goofy memes, infographics, or talking points can explain the US healthcare system. No matter what you believe, it's not as simple as you think. If you believe you know for certain what is best, reconsider everything.

That's what Obamacare does for you.

The people who need it won't get it while the ones who don't need it will pay a large and ever-growing cost.

You seem to like being a slave. That's funny :)

Which socialist country would you want to live in?

Getting that surgery in the USA means you will from then on be in poverty until you either die or file for bankruptcy. But 15$ is pretty steep parking eh?

>monitored diet
>access to food trolley
what

>If you believe you know for certain what is best, reconsider everything

This.

"That's what Obamacare does for you."

No - thats what for-profit medicine does for you. The problem existed long before Obama was even elected.

Shows how much you have been paying attention.

Read a book

You have the ACA now in the US...which is no different to the government mandated tax grab we pay for here in Canada...
After I count everything in, I pay almost 50% of my income in tax...
>I will from here on be in poverty...

I live with universal health Care and all that shit you just wrote isn't true

It's not profit alone, that's misleading. It's a profit- and loss system, and I would argue that the loss side is more important. But I won't argue that the problem has existed since before Obama. I may dislike the rascal, but I don't think he's behind every single bad thing in the world.

Niggers, spics and white trash already get free healthcare and pay 0 taxes. A lot of the time, they get tax refunds without paying taxes. WTF?

I don't know about that other stuff, but I actually live in America, and have totally had to pay for parking at several hospitals.

I live just across the St. Lawerence from North Country NY area...and most of the hospitals in the area offer free parking...

I live in Sweden.

We pay most of our money in taxes. You should be able to expect reasonable care in that kind of a horrible situation. Yet people are forced to go to other neighbouring countries to give labour.

You can say whatever you want. Less government involvement would lead to better results.

Literally over a million people leave the USA for health care every year. I think it's only like 60k for Canada

OK, so the poor and unemployed come out ok. What about the healthy and working people? They get to see their incomes slashed to pay for the benefits of a small population? There are more economical ways to provide for that group other than creating a new bloated Gov't monstrosity.

What about the majority of lazy white people?

52! Jesus grandpa better get in line for that hip replacement now.
Life is hard in Barrie ain't it?

I live in Somalia.

I am LOVING the lack of government 'involvement' here.

If I want more out of life - I just go take it from wherever I see it. Usually from weak people who don't deserve to keep living. I just kill them and take their stuff. It is awesome. Such sweet freedom!

Nice bait shithead

How do you deal with smokers and dirt bike racers and fatasses? This is my only qualm with a universal healthcare system. There are people in our country who are purposefully making their healthcare expensive.

I'm not an anarchist, if that's what you're implying. In which case you'd be arguing a strawman.

I believe governments are very important. But only as long as they focus on their core duties. Basic infrastructure, a functional military defense, law and order and externalities are things where I believe you need government involvement. Those are the only things the free market doesn't seem to be able to effectively fix.

But the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness should be a given to each and every single person on this planet. Too much government and that becomes impossible.

The US doesn't want that. We don't want the government controlling our health Care. That creates death panels

They are already paying for it through property taxes that feed the local County General hospital. They are just paying way more than they need to because of the very inefficient way in which things are done.

Also - they are already paying for a bloated bureaucracy called insurance companies. Why not let govt do what it does best? Bureacracy is their strong suit - and you are going to have one either way. You can either have one that is dutifully going about its task on the taxpayer dime - or you can have one that is trying to make as much profit off your misery as possible.

The choice is pretty clear to me.

Oh, and if you really do live in Somalia, thank your socialist General Barre for that.

Not bait. My gf is white trash. She works part-time in retail and always gets back whatever federal taxes she pays. She had a hysterectomy last year and paid zero. She was mad when the pharmacy tried to charge her $3 for iron tablets.