>stick a major cadence at the end of some twelve tone bullshit >Oh wowy kablowy totally wasn't expecting that
lol what a pleb
Ryan Hughes
Based Schoenberg
Elijah Mitchell
fuck you as well
Jace Turner
gtfo schoenberg internet defense force
Evan Murphy
"schidf" lol
Jaxson Edwards
gtfo plebs who can't into schoenberg
Mason Garcia
>implying not dickriding some dead jew who wrote decent music is pleb
Christian Murphy
Even if you don't like serialism his tonal work is masterful
William Russell
Usually the Schoenberg hate comes from people who think he ruined music by creating serialism but the fact that you're talking about his decent music and can't see that it is absolutely brilliant puts you on a whole new level of plebness
Zachary Sanchez
nobody cared who he was until he put on the dodecaphonic mask
Cameron Hall
>When you realize twelve tone was just a (((Publicity Stunt)))
The absolute madman
Connor Watson
>people who think he ruined music by creating serialism Those people are incorrect. He only organized systems to help codify serialism. He didn't create it. Strauss was the guy who went too far with Elektra, but he pulled back and never went that far again. Many of the composers of the time were experimenting with pushing tonality past is limits. Schoenberg just happened to be the guy who came up with some systems so people weren't just writing total chaos.
Gesualdo could be seen as the origins of this strain of music.
Dominic Ward
not the most popular but it has the hammer meme
Jacob Mitchell
>gesualdo created atonality
Bullshit
Jose Collins
Well you didn't need to tell me that but I said "serialism" not "atonality". Serialism became the academia meme that dominated the first half of the 20th century and probably stifled quite a few composers with more natural musical inclinations. However as I've experimented with the twelve tone method can be used in a subversive way to create consonant-sounding music, even happy music so I wonder why this wasn't ever done by a composer. I also wonder why Sonata form hasn't been used to give twelve tone music at least a sense of dramatic development.
Aiden Parker
>This thread Further proof that Schoenberg is underrated.
Isaac White
What are you talking about? Its been a Shown-turd dick sucking fest
Ryan Hughes
This post is just further proof.
Eli Anderson
>who are Berg, Dalapiccola, Joseph Matthias Hauer
You're welcome
Jacob Walker
Let me get this str8. >Shoenkid likes Napoleon >Napoleon be all like French Rev boy >Shoenkid was jewish >Burke wrote about French Rev and how Old Jewry were a strong force promoting it and the narrative we are told is b.s. >Shoenkid prob lykd da Franch Rev b/c he wuz old Jewry brought into the future Steve Miller Band style Did I miss nething?
Oliver Sanchez
...
Kevin Edwards
This to be frank And this, to be honest
Bentley Watson
It's pronounced sherrrrrrrn, not shown. Like the umlaut o sound in German.
Ryan Flores
Wow I never looked at /his/ but it looks like straight up cancer. Communist threads galore, Lenin, probably worship of that fatshit charlatan Zizek hipster "philosopher" ...just gas that whole board asap.
Samuel Morgan
I'm pretty sure "berg" isn't pronounced "turd" either but I am here to shitpost I'm afraid
Owen Hernandez
when u rite u rite nibba
Gabriel Murphy
Its a Christian board desu
Jonathan Wood
>look up random west european music professor wiki >he travelled to adorno/krenek seminars >his dissertation was about webern/schönberg/rubingoldsilberstein >his limited atonal repertoire nobody wants to hear includes occasional pleb-friendly interpretations of hebrew folk songs
tired of this shit desu, grand sanhedrin was a mistake at least americans have (((schenkerians)))
gonna push back everywhere including Sup Forums, fuck you jews
Jackson Morales
You're gonna get banned. This /general/ supports the eternal yid
Anthony Fisher
wot piece 2 listen 2 to mourn Chester Bennington's an hero? >tried so hard and got so far, but in le end it didn't even matter cus i hang'd meself lel
Jeremiah Lee
Philip Glass Heroes Symphony
Nathaniel Torres
That's actually probably true. I got a 3 day ban because another user wanted a list of Jewish composers and I wrote a list without any message attached to it, no positive or negative connotation.
Josiah Rogers
Best Shostakovitch symphony? Or should i just go in order?
but
>pre 1940 Shostakovitch yeesh
Juan Davis
It is 7 and then 10. Don't listen to contrarian tryhards. They are like the people who praise the first album of a band as the only true or pure work, when said band sucked massive cock before their fifth lp.
John Howard
lay off the buffet of rotten chicken wings and pure ideology
Chase Davis
There is no bad Shostakovich symphony.
Camden Fisher
>be me >try to watch classical vid >get this racial justice horseshit from (((google))) >lynching in america >wtf are these nibbers talking about?
Zizek is a complete faggot and faux-edgy piece of shit. If he wanted to push the envelope he wouldn't be an out of shape commie cuck who signals against liberals while parroting their same lines in some bullshit special snowflake way. Fuck that faggot. leave it to /leftypol/ awkward 14 year olds to beat off to his videos and lie about reading his horseshit books demonstrating how much he doesn't understand Hegel and the Western tradition but just slaps it together with some Jewish Frankfurt School lens and whoop add some aspergers and there ya go. total edgy guy who says nothing edgy. protip: if (((vice news))) likes you, you are the establishment
Leo Cooper
it is a product of pure ideology
>praise from germans post 1942 >meaning anything at all >implying its not a mark of disgrace
Alexander Ross
this is wrong btw
Sebastian Watson
jews celebrating other jews, haven't seen that before
Leo Adams
Nobody cares about fucking Ernst Krenek. He sucks
Jackson Green
Oh yeah? In what way, you little faggot?
Tyler Bennett
Anyone who says they understand Hegel is full of shit and a pseud
Camden Smith
but you can't spell Krenek with "kek n re[eeeeeeeee]"
Gavin Hill
zizek isnt political, if he is its only for memes. All he really cares about is the way reality is structured.
Aaron Rivera
Exactly. Which is why Zizek is a pseud commie fuckboy of Jewish academics. The second he says anything critical of them he is finished (aside from the popular leftist criticize Israel because muh precious little brown people).
Carson Brooks
That's retarded. "he like, didn't mean it man. he's really focused on this deeper stuff over here, bro."
Nathaniel Wright
what type of music do you like :)
Jayden Evans
Jews are brown people as well, that's not the reason leftists support Palestinians
>Conquering other countries is ok as long as the snowniggers do it
Further proof that the Jews are underrated
Jonathan Wood
>when mahlerposting goes too far
>In 1922 he met Alma Mahler, widow of Gustav Mahler, and her daughter, Anna, to whom he dedicated his Symphony No. 2, and whom he married in March 1924. That marriage ended in divorce before its first anniversary.
Gabriel Kelly
>Dedicating a symphony about the passion to someone else
I wonder who is behind this heresy
Aaron Bailey
Not Mahler's second symphony you retard
Owen Ward
Right, you got me there
Andrew Clark
Krenek's kinda boring most of the time but his choral music is astoundingly good
Isaiah Lee
How so?
Grayson Gray
Do check out Ernst Krenek's Lamentatio Jeremiæ Prophetæ. Stravinsky got the "inspiration" for his twelve-tone works chiefly from Krenek's theoretical writings and music, yet as far as I'm concerned none of Stravinsky's twelve-tone music approaches the Lamentatio in terms of expressiveness and musicality. Through partitioning and constantly permutating his rows, Krenek achieves modal-tonal effects you might find agreeable even if post-tonal/twelve-tone music isn't your cup of tea usually.
What's wrong with Stravinsky's twelve tone? Agon is great
Liam Perez
Krenek is great, particularly love his string quartets which are part way between Schoenberg and Bartok as well as his jazzy, jarring, reflective piano sonatas
Ryan Clark
masochism
Brody Reyes
>Through partitioning and constantly permutating his rows, Krenek achieves modal-tonal effects you might find agreeable even if post-tonal/twelve-tone music isn't your cup of tea usually. How do you learn about this? honestly asking
Jordan Sullivan
sums up most of the last 100 years of /classical/ music
Anthony Robinson
Agon is great, but not as great as Krenek at his best YMMV
Chase Green
Nothing, that guy just likes Krenek's better.
Ayden Sanders
Must be horrible to be this numb and straight-laced.
Ethan Cooper
guess i just dont get the humour and playfulness of dodecaphonists.
Xavier Roberts
Sounds very renaissance I dig it
Nathan Hill
Usually being a performer or attending classes on theory Or just teaching it all yourself, but that's difficult
Jason Reed
How did you do it, user?
Jackson Gonzalez
Im not the Krenek guy but I learned a lot just from the time I spent with my piano teacher (about a decade) Some people just get lucky and are born into a musical family and can be told exactly how to learn (I have a friend like this)
Eli Jones
I need I fiery and lively composer to listen to. Someone who makes me want to embrace life and do glorious manly things. Any ideas who I should listen to?
Ayden Foster
Obviously Wagner
Angel Baker
Bach
Henry Price
Dont listen to Wagner, his music is for beta males that probably only found out about him through Sup Forums, listen to Mahler instead.
Jason Turner
high glycaemic index, xenoestrogen
complex carbs
mozart and beethoven: rare xenotestosteron
Isaac Cruz
schoenberg is like the most boring serial composer tho
Colton Baker
not/mu/ here, is Ravel considered shit?
Alexander Davis
He's pretty good. Just Bolero is pretty shitty.
Nolan Wright
I don't know, I think it's one of the better crescendo pieces. Why do you think it's shit? How repetitive it is throughout?
Logan Davis
>He hasn't listened to Gesualdo's madrigals
Luke Lee
>How repetitive it is throughout? pretty much. One or 2 melodies with no polyphony. Only his masterful orchestration keeps the thing from being embarrassing. The snare part is the same the whole way.
Compared to all his other music Bolero is incredibly boring.
Isn't the snare meant to serve as a backing for the other instruments, as well as to slowly build the sound? I think having it change outside of intensity would ruin the composition. Then again, I don't enjoy it that much.
Andrew Kelly
I think repetitiveness is okay in dance forms, his pavane is simple as hell too, but it's still pretty cute
