Laws for victimless crimes should not exist. Argue against this

Laws for victimless crimes should not exist. Argue against this.

Same thread on /his/

Argue why you are for it, that's how these things work, idiot.

>he thinks victimless crimes are victimless

Should be pretty obvious. If you don't hurt anyone else why should you be punished?

define victimless crimes

Example?

In any crime the victim is the society.

Like in that thread, there is no such thing as a victimless crime

Only retards who bitch and cry that they dindu nuffin

but user, there are no victimless crimes. society suffers

Modern individualism is responsible for the term victimless crime.

If an individual does not suffer, the community does. Unsafe driving, drug use, etc will make people suffer, just not one specific person.

>there is no such thing as a victimless crime

There are loads.

Like what?

Name some.

The only victimless crime I can think of is possession of drugs for personal consumption.

>Is a pothead thread

drug use, prostitution, gambling

This isn't automatically true.
It is possible for law makers to make illegal something that is victimless.
But they generally make things illegal when they have negative consequences and this usually entails a victim.

Drug use have a victim and that is the user, prostitution is a mental illnes and gambling is adictive for some people

Disruptive, noisy behavior in otherwise quite neighborhoods.

Night time noise from houses or gardens, especially between 11.00 pm and 7.00 am.

Threatening, drunken or masculine behavior

Street art, graffiti and fly-posting

Dealing or buying medicine on the street.

Human waste, litter and fly-tipping rubbish.

Begging.

Drinking in the street.

Setting off fireworks at night.

Abandoning cars on the street.

>every crime niggers commit shouldn't be illegal

Sweden yes.

All of them have victims you refugee

This.
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Now roll for your jail-fu

You think these things should be totally legal and be able to be done with no punishment or even discouragement? are you fucking retarded.

Dont worry though in a few years you will have your wish because it will be sharia and as long as you're not defacing mosques, all white owned property and bodies will be fair game to the peaceful refugees

Most of that shit is annoying and/or wasting tax payers cash

It would largely depend on the definition of 'victimless crime'. You're giving examples of things with no direct victim. You're not considering (or deliberately omitting) the wider implications on society.

chiceken

Friend get their house broke into by their child they kicked out due to being an addict.
Human trafficking and pimping, plus getting girls hooked on drugs to then pimp.
Gambling addiction, organized crime, loan sharks.
> inb4 everything could lead to addiction and could lead to crime, Never seen someone addicted to World of Warcraft break into a house for their subscription.

all of those ruin the quality of life for everyone

To go after a few of them:

>trying to sleep
>loud music playing all night long
>no sleep or really bad sleep
>horrible day


>car left on the street
>blocks traffic
>congestion builds up

Rollin up

You have to be a nigger, to think those actions shouldn't be punished.

Hello Ahmed

What are some examples of victimless crimes?

There is the probability that people using substances for victimless crimes will use it for nonvictimless crimes (i.e. drunk/high driving).

So the one commiting the crime is the victim.
But why should it be illegal to to victimize youself?

If I for example choose to sit inside all day and not socialize, that's probably bad for me. But that doesn't mean it should be illegal.
It's my decision and doesn't affect anyone else.

>Disruptive, noisy behavior in otherwise quite neighborhoods.
victim=neighbors

>Night time noise from houses or gardenss especially between 11.00 pm and 7.00 am.
victim=neighbors

>Threatening, drunken or masculine behavior
those aren't illegal, but I agree public intoxication shouldn't be illegal if you're not harassing anyone

>Street art, graffiti and fly-posting
victim=owners of the thing you're vandalizing

>Dealing or buying medicine on the street.
I agree, all drugs ( tested pharmaceutical, and tested recreational) should be legal

>Human waste, litter and fly-tipping rubbish.
victim=society who don't want your shit everywhere in our communal areas

>Begging.
sure

>Drinking in the street.
sure

>Setting off fireworks at night.
potential to set things on fire

>Abandoning cars on the street.
someone has to remove it
victim=taxpayers

Taxpayers pay for your education so you can be a normal member of the society and not a pothead

Illegal twerk?

>Oh don't you worry, no one person will suffer but everyone will.
>I, of course, have no way to prove this, but I think it's correct nonetheless.

So you're saying theres nothing that I do that won't affect little Billy down the street? Gee willickers mister.

Plenty offer victims here.

>Disruptive, noisy behavior in otherwise quite neighborhoods.
>Night time noise from houses or gardens, especially between 11.00 pm and 7.00 am.
>Threatening, drunken or masculine behavior
>Setting off fireworks at night.
>Begging.
>Drinking in the street.
The people who are being disrupted, threatened or generally having their day spoiled are the victims.

>Street art, graffiti and fly-posting
>Human waste, litter and fly-tipping rubbish
>Abandoning cars on the street.
Those left to clean up the mess of others are the victims.

>Dealing or buying medicine on the street.
Those put at risk of consuming potentially harmful substances, that have been improperly stored, many be counterfeit, or out of date, are the victims.

I don't see any victimless crimes here, although doing these things don't automatically create a victim, they are illegal because of their potential to create a victim.

And your going to pay more taxes throwing him in jail

Yes i am saying that

C'mon QT without violent offense

Better having a degenerate in jail than 3 deads i

but breaking in to someones house is already illegal
there's no use in banning the factors that supposedly led up to it

lust can lead to rape, for example
but obviously you don't ban lust. You make rape illegal.

Is morality absolute?

>supporting globalists future world wide laws, inplanted because lack of real problems
Yea americans never seizes to amaze me.
Fucking pussy generation getting offended with everything due to lack of real problems

>you think these things should be totally legal and be able to be done with no punishment or even discouragement?
yea because their putting up CCTV and telling you what you can't say or do, pushing the limits every year. Sooner or later you wont even be allowed to swear in a public place.

>muy annoyance
That shit tier argument is Reddit as fuck, grow some balls you fucking pussy. Reddit promotes political correctness, and "Anti Social Behavior is the real life equivalent of that. Wake up before they take away the rights to be outside at night.

>>trying to sleep
>loud music playing all night long
>no sleep or really bad sleep
>horrible day
Fucking retarded americlap as usual, put some ear protection on maybe? No that's to hard, lets illegalize behavior which is biologically human. Are not americans so proud of their freedoom? Americans and britcucks even made it illegal to feed homeless people, even to be homeless is illegal in the UK and some state. Your worshipping of authority is sickening.

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>car left on the street
>blocks traffic
>congestion builds up
Thats not what it hints at, it hints at where there are no regulations of parking.

>being a opposer of giving away your integrity bit for bit is negative
Disgusting, technology has brainwashed so many people, your grandchildren will have to live in under a Global goverment.. Look at TTIP, resarch this shit, they are trying to take your rights away, fuck off you idiots.

victim=neighbors
NO THEY DONT GET HURT; THEY CAN JUST BUY BETTER ISOLATION
>no thats stupid, lets illegalize a basic human behaviour such as screaming
YOU ARE SO STUPID

>Laws for victimless crimes should not exist. Argue against this.

Hard to argue against something I instinctively would agree with.
But identifying a crime that is genuinely victimless is much harder than the simple question makes it look.
If you can find something that is a crime but has no victims at all then I would naturally say it shouldn't be a crime. If you can find one I'll happily try to argue that it should remain illegal, but I doubt my arguments would be very convincing it the crime really was victimless.

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Like punching someone in the dark?

I was hoping you had an Australian flag

>victimless crimes
Define "victimless." Before you start, I want to remind you that substance abuse affects everyone around you, not just yourself.

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Only Sweden could be a faggot of this caliber

I swear if I get fucking trash 69 again

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Do you concede that all the examples you gave can create victims?
If so they are not victimless crimes and are not the topic under discussion.

If you don't look back the examples I gave and explain how victims are not created suffering the negative consequences of another's actions.

Victimless crimes do not exist. You are a factor in society regardless of whether you want it or not. If prostitution was allowed, there'd be higher rates of stds and out of wedlock pregnancies. The first stresses the healthcare system and the latter produces dysfunctional families that lower the IQ rate of the nation

A better way to describe it is idea of opportunity costs. If you spend your time smoking weed and hiring whores instead of being a beneficial member of society. Well you don't have to be a genius to see the cost benefit analysis

>victim=neighbors
No, they are no victims. Due to lack of real problems such as war, combat etc, you make up problems, such as Reddit does with political correctness..

>those aren't illegal, but I agree public intoxication shouldn't be illegal if you're not harassing anyone
Harrasing does not exist, humans biologicly filter out the weak through the survival of the fittest. Its in all animals to imtimidate one another, taking away biological behaviour is just de-humanizing ourselves

>victim=owners of the thing you're vandalizing
No, humans can't "own" anything. A tree, a rock, a house is nothing but atoms, you dont own any of them. And when you die, the things you "own", will get new "owners".

>victim=society who don't want your shit everywhere in our communal areas
Shitting is biological behaviour, again, your making up problems due to lack of real problems..


>Abandoning cars on the street.
someone has to remove it
victim=taxpayers
I agree, this is fine, it can be illegal. It has no biological connection to us.

>The people who are being disrupted, threatened or generally having their day spoiled are the victims.
Imtimidation, bullying and making noice is the modern humans way of seeing who's weak and who's not. Its the survival of the fittest, but spoken beacuse you can't fight another in modern society.

>those left to clean up the mess of others are the victims.
Yea graffiti, human waste and fly posting is REAL PROBLEMS to our surroundings, lets criminalize them and clean that up.

Meanwhile allowing the entire world is poising our atmosphere, the very thing that allows humans to exist, completely legal.....

What is "victimless"? What if the considered victim is society itself or the government? All laws could be justified if so.

>Meanwhile allowing the entire world is poising our atmosphere, the very thing that allows humans to exist, completely legal.....
>shilling this hard for one world government
Swedecuck pls

>Annoying
>Not an argument

Cool. remind me to come to your house and play fucking bagpipe music for 24/7. See how you feel after a day

>Disruptive, noisy behavior in otherwise quite neighborhoods.
People should be executed for this shit.

Fucking americans are so retarded, your federal reserve is controlled by private owners and CIA is creating refugees for europe. FUCK YOU

>cool. remind me to come to your house and play fucking bagpipe music for 24/7. See how you feel after a day
Id gladly let you come outside my house and scream because thats in the human nature, blowing your voice into an instrument, however, is not, therefore, it should be illegal.

People should fight and see who is the strongest and the strong should execute the weaker one and scream out his victory in passion, i agree.

Who says a crime even NEEDS a victim? Sometimes it comes down to, "Fuck that guy doing his weird and obnoxious shit."

rolllllll

I dont even know why i tried.

There is a reason why Sweden is considered to be the worst country in Europe. You guys are fucking annoying cucks

drug use isnt a victimless crime. The drug user is the victim.

>Fucking americans are so retarded, your federal reserve is controlled by private owners and CIA is creating refugees for europe. FUCK YOU
Fucking swedes are so retarded, your wives are getting fucked by nigger bucks and your open borders are creating refugees for jewrope. FUCK YOU

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i dont even have to reply, this picture explains everything

I don't speak autism but I'll try to explain with simple words. Usually when you ask politely it doesn't do squat and, in fact, in can be dangerous to disrupt "fun" people have if they are intoxicated. But when you call the cops not only they take their sweet time to get there, but during that period of time vandals, and yes, vandals I say, might even stop any activity by the time cops arrive. But when cops do arrive they just fucking ask them politely to stop again.

However, if neighbors can attest to my claims and if I have physical evidence (such as video, audio) it should be enough to get noisy assholes behind bars for a month.

>fucking swedes are so retarded, your wives are getting fucked by nigger bucks and your open borders are creating refugees for jewrope. FUCK YOU
No, the majority of porn and interracial porn is produced in America. Also, there are more black people in USA than in Sweden.

Sigh, i wish i just could control your brain and teach you to look at things from multiple angles, its sad really.

Do you want to response to this? I gave examples of victims for each. You may not like them but in each case someone else has to endure the negative consequences of another's actions which sounds like the definition of a victim to me.

>Meanwhile allowing the entire world is poising our atmosphere, the very thing that allows humans to exist, completely legal
Non-crimes with victims is not the topic of discussion.

>masculine behavior
>that flag

AYYYLMAO

Roll for the waifu

rooolllll

Society is a victim of crime

>1 in 3 swedish women are with niggers or arabs
>less than 1 in 6 Americans are in interracial relationships across all races and sexes
Wew lad.

Should a person be able to eat unhealthy food?

My tax dollars go to their medical costs, and it would be cheaper for society to make eating unhealthy food illegal and regulate the food intake of every member. This would lead to longer lifespans as well.

Why isn't this a law Sup Forums?

Because being a fatso is punishment enough.

Eat a dick you putrid little faggot.

What else is in these goalposts besides vice crimes regarding freedom of consumption? Those should be liberalizes and loosened up.

you are trading away your biological strength and ability to defend yourself. You have been hypnotized by the food you are consuming and the lack to fight for what is yours. You beg to the authoritarians to defend you, because you are weak. Technology and authority is draining away what makes you human.

English is not my native language, i don't understand what you are trying to say.

And air pollution is a real problem in China for example, do you think they were these masks for fun? And no, its not that they want to be nice to each other, you think Chinese people are nice? The air is shit and it fucks up their lungs.

>obesity is more common in america than in sweden
>this somehow makes Sweden less masculine than America
lol


>just spouting out facts without any sources to back it up
>finishes of with a Reddit meme to top it off
your lack of self awareness is disgusting

Weak bait

Maybe it should be a crime.
But what should the punishment be?
Paying the full cost of their own healthcare seems reasonable.
That seems to make it a non-issue because you are no longer the victim.

ooops, this was meant for you fattie.
>>just spouting out facts without any sources to back it up
>finishes of with a Reddit meme to top it off
your lack of self awareness is disgusting

>please make your country more like the one i "escaped" from

Nice try Ahmad

>If prostitution was allowed, there'd be higher rates of stds and out of wedlock pregnancies
1) that only affects the parties involved, doesnt affect society as a whole
2) lots of countries have legalized prostitution, where workers are treated like regular people and protected and regulated under the law instead of having to depend on criminal organizations for protection and they work out just fine if not better

Sorry I'll try again with a few more words and better punctuation.


The topic is victimless crimes.
I believe all the examples you gave create victims

If you don't agree, look back at the examples I gave.
Then explain for each, how victims are not created from suffering the negative consequences of another person's actions.

The fact that the world has victims (the coughing Chinamen) from things not considered crimes (Chinese air pollution) is the exact opposite of the topic under discussion. It seems to be an irrelevant distraction from the topic.

Rollin'

>I believe all the examples you gave create victims
Sure, by modern standards.

>then explain for each, how victims are not created from suffering the negative consequences of another person's actions.
They either fight for themselves or suffer the consequences, its the way of nature. Every animal on earth deals with conflict this way, except for humans, which have been brainwashed for so long that they are not allowed to defend themselves and that they must give up their freedom to let the authority gain control and power, which will lead to overpopulation and overconsumption of natural resources. Capitalism and peace must end, modern humans have to suffer a 3rd world war to save the planet.

No peace

typical sweden

>They either fight for themselves or suffer the consequences, its the way of nature. ...

This starts off sounding like an argument but all you seem to be saying is that the only law should be the law of the jungle, but even this gets muddled up with stuff about global overpopulation population and world war.

Is this an argument against all laws?

The topic was 'Laws for victimless crimes should not exist.' but you appear to be saying
'Laws should not exist. Punishing any crime is harmful.'
Am I understanding you correctly?

Rolll for this

>Disruptive, noisy behavior in otherwise quite neighborhoods.
i'd say the victims are the people neighbors, but when you get in trouble for this stuff its usually a fine
>Night time noise from houses or gardens, especially between 11.00 pm and 7.00 am.
see above, also some people get scared shittless when there's weird noises in the night
>Threatening, drunken or masculine behavior
no one knows what you're gonna do, in all likelyhood someone will be a victim if you're this way
>Street art, graffiti and fly-posting
the victim is the people who actually own the wall, but this stuff usually warrants a fine or community service, not really something people get arrested for usually
>Dealing or buying medicine on the street.
the victim is the people who OD on stuff to strong
>Human waste, litter and fly-tipping rubbish.
the victim is the people who have to smell the stuff, and have to keep the place clean
>Begging.
this is more to get rid of homeless off the street
>Drinking in the street.
when you're drunk on the street you can be pretty unpredictable. you probably will hurt someone
>Setting off fireworks at night.
the victim is the animals and people with said animals, but i don't think this really illegal, more something you get a fine for
>Abandoning cars on the street.
the victim is the people late for work

>Did you do something wrong?
Yes
>You should and will be punished

This statement is the exact reason why I never trust or take an atheist seriously on anything to do with morality

define "victimless"

that's your problem

there are often harmful secondary and tertiary effects resulting from what you think are victimless crimes