"if jesus was alive he would be a socialist/communist"

"if jesus was alive he would be a socialist/communist"

how do we counter this? dam

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With a cross and some nails

Jesus believed that only God has true authority. That isn't socialist and it definitely isn't communist. Communists hate religion.

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Jesus was against government-enforced welfare and redistribution because it's only ethical if it's voluntary.

>Stealing is wrong
No communist ever said that.
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"Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's."

Mark 12:17

Government programs are wasteful, like charities that only get 10% of the money to their cause.

If Jesus was alive you'd be in hell for practicing sodomy.

The parable of the seed and the sower makes me think he would have been a libertarian.

"If you teach a man to fish _______"

There ya go

Jesus never talked about forced charity. He only talked about voluntary charity, on an individual basis. Socialism/communism are forced, not voluntary. Saying Jesus was a socialist/communist just ignores the part that is inconsistent with the comparison, as if ignoring it makes it go away.

>how do we counter this?
If you don't believe in Jesus, then the point is moot.

Checkmate fedora niggers.

Jesus literally preached dictatorship (worship and submissioin to God), and this dictator practices welfare (if you ask, so shall you recieve)

no choice is voluntary
for example when a child consents to working in some textile factory sweatshop he is forced into it by the conditions he is in (if he doesn't work there he will starve)

this, Jesus also wouldn't participate in the government swindle, because he believed that people should govern themselves, according to a law that transcend the laws of any nation

"you're missing the point of jesus' message. to be a christian- giving to charity, feeding the hungry, clothing the poor- is to do a good deed in an otherwise evil world. if we were to legislate these things, we would be defeating the purpose charity. we should accept the world as it is and not as we would have it. this is the path to peace"

HOW DARE YOU SHOP ANZU DELETE THIS NOW REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Socialists worship money, they see reality through economic lens.

Luke 12:22-31 Jesus says ’ “Do not worry about your life, what you will eat; or about your body, what you will wear. Life is more than food, and the body more than clothing…"

Jesus would be in favour of Hitler's national socialism actually. He says in his speeches that the Germans value is in how he helps his brethren. It's pretty much the exact values Jesus espouses concentrated for a specific people

>yeah, the guy that flipped over tax tables and shit really was pro government

>render what is Cesar to Cesar
>this means any tax rate is fine

Jesus told you to share your wealth with the poor...

not threaten your neighbor with violently enforced imprisonment or theft if he doesn't share his.

Going by the Bible, he'd be a libertarian communist, an ideology that falls apart quicker than the Bible itself does.

Jesus openly opposed the Pharisees, the communist Jewish Zionist who ruled isreal

well, first of all, Jesus is alive. But, more importantly, if you read the Bible carefully you'll discover that Jesus was very much into a form of government best described as the absolute monarchy of a libertarian theocracy. He was crucified because people can't handle the responsibility of that, they needed somebody to blame for their sins, that somebody was God, and since they could not kill God, they killed Jesus in God's place because he's the next best thing.

>communism equals stealing!!1
nice meme bro

>communism was know for it's theocratic rule

WUT

Jesus believed in giving charity and helping the less fortunate. He did not mean that the government should force people at gunpoint to be charitable to the poor.

Communism/socialism is really not Christian like at all. People just think "hurrr bible says to love they neighbor" and suddenly think that's a communist value.

"I'm atheist."

God hates multiculturalism.
See the Tower of Babel.

the idea of using Jesus to promote a fallen human political system is just disgusting. certainly Jesus view on government would be much better and completly different from anything we could come up with.

Eso es chilango de mierda

>he'd be a libertarian communist

Giving commands.. very libertarian

"If ye love me, keep my commandments." (John 14:15-31)

By divorcing yourselves from a kike religion.

I'M NOT A KIKE!!!!!
>Dear Yahweh,
>Today a filthy PAGAN refused to obey the one true god of the jews like me! I couldn't believe it! I tried to read the 1/3 of the bible that wasn't jewish, but I ran into that part about that fucking commie rabbi talking about how everyone had to keep kosher and was babbling about tits and jottles or something - I think the faggot's name is Jepis or something. Who cares? Thank god I finally ran into Paul. Now that's a REAL non-jew! He was only born a jew, but then he converted so it's cool. Well, that was my day. Thanks for everything and please don't let those filthy fucking fedoras remove the 10 commandments from the courthouse - I bet the jews are behind that! Amen

>>communism equals stealing!!1

How are you going to create welfare in a socialist society?

You steal from the rich and distribute to the "poor"

There is no pretty word, it's stealing.

"can you show me in the bible were Jesus commands his disciples to seize the property of the bourgeois?"

Starving is a choice. So is going off into the woods to forage for food.

Or they could try to perform some other service that's less dangerous.

You aren't an unwitting victim of your circumstances. There is always a choice. Most people who are trapped are in their situation because they can't see a way out, not because there isn't one.

jesus woud tax the rich and give to the poor

>Communism
>Religion

Pick one

>how do we counter this? dam

You can't.

It's true.

>if ye love me do X
>if ye love me do X or I will force you to do it

Very different things. In a libertarian society you can still tell people what to do, you can still say 'you SHOULD do X' or 'you SHOULD do Y' but you can't say 'you MUST do X' or 'you MUST do Y' followed by 'or else'

>My kingdom is not of this world
>Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's.

Jesus rejected being politically involved. That fucking simple.

Be careful. G-d enjoys the smell of burning flesh, young one.

Tax the rich is to take their money.

I don't care if your intentions are good or bad, the word for taking the money by force is stealing.

>I don't know anything about the bible, but here's my opinion and shit.

Jesus literally told the disciples to sell the clothes off their backs in order to buy weapons to protect their precious jewgold. Luke 22

I don't think sharing because you were forced gives you any brownie points at the gate

In a libertarian society the notion of commands is irrelevant since everything is relative and not obligatory.

Go back to Redit.

Thanks.

"who cares, jesus was a cunt"

stalin proved that communism and even atheism are not necessarily degenerate.

You don't because it's true. Immediately after his death his followers lived as proto-communists, forgoing private property and (fuck, it's too nighttime for typing).
There's even a story where a guy sells some shit to share the money eith thr Christian community and he dies because he wanted to keep some for himself.

The teachings of Jesus are pretty left-wing, and modern progressivism is basically secular Christianity without the icky God stuff.

Any right-winger ought to see this.

Catholic Church handled this topic like 1,000 ears ago.

Personal charity is virtuous, state enforced charity is not.

This exactly. Forcing people to be charitable is up there with what the Pharisees did.

Jesus never forced someone to share. He only encouraged.

I'm not so sure, he told a rich man who wanted to follow him to sell his property and give the money to the poor. But that was a CHOICE at no point does Jesus demand charity with the authority of the state.

secular Christianity is centered on the idea of progression, which is contrary to the Catholic Church

>no choice is voluntary

kill yourself, this is a completely untenable position

Jesus is alive. He is God full-time in eternity.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decree_against_Communism

Wrong.

Jesus didn't make any of the bankers give anything of theirs up.

No. You can respect people, you can love people and trust their opinions, trust they know better (if you CHOOSE). That means if they said 'You should do this to be a better person and/or have a better life' it is not irrelevant to everyone. Sure it might be irrelevant to you, but not everyone. Just because you don't have to do something doesn't mean it's irrelevant.

Did they do it? How many of the disciples went down fighting?

That's alright, I like fire more than either of us like you.

>how do we counter this? dam
Yes, he would be a socialist. A National Socialist.

>b-but i'm too afraid to come out as national socialist
>b-but national socialism is tooo radicaaal for meeee
>b-but . . . .
Kill yourself.

I'm pretty sure Jesus wouldn't be okay with any of the communist regimes that have existed, considering, you know, how many millions of executions they are responsible for.

He was all about going on your OWN journey, living humbly on your OWN terms. As far as I remember he never forcefully took a rich person's property and redistributed it to the destitute.

This argument is dumb as fuck.

w...we c..c..can't

Socialism isn't giving to or helping others..It's giving to the government and going trough corrupt and ineffective bureaucracy and maybe it will help others.

If you're a good christian you can always donate your money to places you see fit and really help people, instead of ending up in useless overpaid goverment workers

Funny how the new Pope is doing the opposite

The Catholic Church was a mistake. If only I could go back in time and stop Constantine....

2 Corinthians 9:7 ESV

Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

Jesus was all about charity. Socialism and communism are based on stealing. These people are not robin hood; they're the sheriff.

The Gentle Carpenter only turns the other cheek to grab another can of whoop ass.

Your opinion on this subject is irrelevant because you fail to understand simple logic

OBEY = You give up your own will and act according to the order someone gave you. it's contrary to Free will

Contrary to free will = can't be libertarian.

he choose to believe that, he didnt believe God is the one who give you food to survive

He didn't talk about political system of states.

Also
>communism
>Religion

The point is that Jesus is the ultimate source of that hippie Marxist bullshit that spawned many of the horrors of the 20th century.

Marx himself probably wouldn't have like the gulags and mass executions, but all of that was a natural and logical conclusion to his ideology.

Whip it good.

easy

Jesus never existed

Communists promote atheism. The only way to true salvation and paradise (God) is through the son. Communists believe they can create a worldly heaven without need for forgiveness or anything else if only we re-educated all those pesky religious people and people with more than 20 dollars in their wallet.

>how do we counter this?

We don't. It's true.

>being this much of a retard

Underrated

>The point is that Modern "Christianity" is the ultimate source of that hippie Marxist bullshit that spawned many of the horrors of the 20th century.

Luther and protestant reformation speaking...

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This.

I can't think of any New Testament passages that are specific enough to be called socialist/communist.
Jesus was very anti-corruption, anti-greed and in favor of charity, but he wasn't particular about governments.
He told his disciples to pay their taxes to the Romans even though every Jew in Israel thought Caesar was pure evil. He and his followers were communal, but they did so under every other kind of government.
He once told a disciple to go fishing and when he caught the fish, it would have a coin in its mouth to help them pay the temple tax. He could multiply bread and fish out of thin air. His life wasn't exactly something you could build a government or economic system around, but a personal morality, sure.

The historicity of jesus is unproven. All proofs turned out to be medieval forgeries. John the baptist is mentioned in historical books, Jesus is not.

have you read the bible?.. he says that all those parties are runned by the same satanists who have the same goal (to enslave human race).. and yes, they are the fucking jews, that's why jews are in the left, in the right, in middle, in everywhere, they supports every partie

Exactly.
There's nothing really wrong with the idea of Marxism, except the fact that its implementation by human beings is impossible.
I suppose you could say Jesus taught a version of divine Marxism, because only a completely infallible God could possibly accomplish the type of utopia Marxists think they can achieve.

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"Render unto Caesar that which is Caesars"

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oh wow...

Is this real?

I was raised Protestant but the I've always liked something about the Catholics. Even they seem to be getting more cucked though.

>Making suggestions for a better life
>Not libertarian

I think you'll find you don't understand the idea of libertarianism and you revert straight back to

>everyone I don't like is literally Redit

As soon as someone disagrees with you. Disregarded.

oh god the autism is insane

i can only assume the guy was catfishing and ruined it because once thye met he would of been caught

He didn't force them to give up their shekels, only told them to GTFO from the temple.

Straycat/10, would choke and beat the shit of her then maybe give her a soft warm bath!

>All proofs turned out to be medieval forgeries

Like the manuscripts of Josephus (First Century)

>Russian education

lenin get out

Yes.. was a larger story last year.

This has been my thoughts on the matter for a while,

If people are not willing to help the less fortunate themselves they have no right to ask the state to relieve them of their guilt for it.