I think all drugs should be legal
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I think all drugs should be legal
I think all drugs should be legal
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But i also think all drugs are sinful and should be avoided, witha few exceptions of a few entheogens on a few holy days
I wonder if this time he just built the electric generators into our bodies and that's why we experience pain and age and stuff. And there is no God above him because he killed the other two. And we killed his son but he's cool. He's got infinite sons. Aww Jesus Morty
all drugs should be illegal
Governments have no business telling people what they can or cannot do to themselves. Governments criminalize vice because the money thus generated can be used for black ops.
Actually I've heard meth has good medicinal value, so possibly in severe situations yes meth could be used (then again I've heard adderal is the same shit)
Yes they should be because it's our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. If I want to grow weed and smoke it in the privacy of my home, or any drug for that matter, I should be allowed to. I'm not hurting anyone by doing it, now if I was driving or infringing on someone's life, their freedom, or their happiness (direct actions towards that person) then that's when local, state, or government entities should step in. People will find and do the drugs regardless of the laws, they do not work.
drugs are illegal because of the negative implications on society that they have, not because the government is trying to limit fun.
its illegal because they dont want people being addicted to shit and stealing/killing eachother over it, and they dont want people overdosing, or kids doing drugs.
That said, drugs would be safer if it was more regulated.
I think drugs should be illegal, sorry they're just too risky.
we should reschedule cannabis though.
There should be no laws to protect a citizen from himself.
But there should be drug tests at the welfare office, junkie.
meth is adderal
why, just give them an overdose, they don't care
and how do alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, etc fit into your little theory ?
they are on the lower level, less dangerous side of the spectrum and are regulated carefully. Nicotine, caffeine or alcohol does not compare to dangerous chemical substance such as opiods, amphetamines or others.
If a society cannot endure individual freedom, then such a society is fundamentally flawed.
dude.. if you did those "illegal" drugs instead of drinking your brain wouldn't have suffered so much damage
all drugs are illegal
unless you got a prescription
and yet those "chemical substances" are used as medication
as for alcohol, it's the worst
They are all regulated. You don't see beers with 80% alcohol being sold to minors, do you?
Just so you, they do exist and are pretty tasty and awesome but a little expensive.
what about painkillers?
I have experimented with most every drug and understand fully as to how the law works and why.
yes, but there has to be a line drawn where individual freedom begins to impede on the overall well being of society. This line can be ambiguous.
yes, used as medication in a reserved, very regulated setting. this is different than free reign open access to the substance.
no drug should be legal for recreational purposes
Also, alcohol should be illegal
got a prescription?
Truth be told all drugs are illegal to buy without prescription, but they became a bussiness.
If you are a pharmacist and you don't sell shit odds are you are going to be fired.
This line can be ambiguous.
Not in this case. The war on drugs is clearly costing our societies so much money that legalizing or atleast decriminalizing all drugs would be beneficial.
And costs aside, nothing is worse than locking people up for victimless "crime".
Weed just needs to become legalized all the other hardcore shit needs to stay illegal those drugs are for the people who made it in life and get to do whatever the fuck they want or it's for the average junkie broke as shit
Dude as a former addict I'm gonna weigh in and say most hard drugs should be illegal. In what way does legalizing heroin benefit society? I am all for legalizing most psychedelic substances but coke, heroin and meth should not be available for purchase. The Portuguese model is perhaps the best method, this decriminalizes drugs, while still mitigating their cost on society.
Before you say anything about the time and expense involved in prosecuting drugs crimes check out how Portugal handles drug crimes, as this completely elminates everyone's favorite argument about legalizing drugs
This position is different from advocating drug use. Drug use, especially in the case of things opioids or amphetamines is can be extremely destructive to people and families. But lets be fair, so is alcoholism, and having a beer is not a crime.
Using drugs is not a crime. I don't care what your nanny state government told you.
In what way does legalizing heroin benefit society?
In granting people freedom to make their own decisions and in not burdening the courts and costing the society in imprisoning people. Also drugs are the biggest source of income for organized crime, thus legalizing all drugs would reduce the profitability of crime and thus crime altogether.
Forgot to add this
Alcohol is entrenched is society, and has been a part of human culture for thousands of years. Alcohol is perhaps worse than psychedelic drugs, but cultural institutions and attitudes will cause it to remain a firm part of our experience for centuries to come. This is a discussion about legalizing drugs, not "omg you get to drink, it's not fair I can't smoke guiz!!"
Tl;dr stay salty over alcohol fags (it's not going anywhere), we're talking about drugs here
I don't understand why so many people think that it has to be an either/or situation.
there is a wide spectrum of possibilities between fully illegal and readily available in the corner store.
Each drug should be individually evaluated based on the collective impact to society and what the next best alternative would be
Should heroin be sold at 7-11, I don't think so. Should it be fully illegal and unavailable? I don't think so either, that only strengthens criminal networks.
This. This this this. All of my this. Everyone acts like pot is the only drug affected by laws.
protip: it isnt.
Cannabis seems like a no brainier to me. Full legalization like alcohol
There are lots of psychedelics that are not habit forming but can have some potential risks if the user is not educated properly. Maybe education and safe use information should be required with each sale.
For highly addictive drugs like heroin. Possibly a model like Switzerland where addicts can get a dose if they need in a medical setting whit social support services available if the make the choice to get clean
Ok so you know nothing about how drug crime works in Portugal? Because they literally solved this problem, and a lot of their addiction problems in one fell swoop. This argument is invalid.
Ok time for the personal freedom argument. As a society we draw the line as to what you are allowed to in the bane of personal freedom, and what has a large enough impact on the rest of society that we should limit your ability to do it. I do not think jail is how you prevent drug use, or is an appropriate response to drug possession. That being said legalizing all drugs to mitigate the cost of incarceration is overacting. Portugal does not imprison people caught with drugs, it is not even a crime. Instead when you are caught with hard drugs you see a doctor who reviews your health and using history. They then offer free rehab, if needed, and other recovery options. Most addicts take it, and surprisingly Portugal ostensibly legalizing drugs has reduced addiction rates. This is how we should handle drug use in our over burdened countey
I agree, and never implied I was angry about alcohol. Quite the contrary, I enjoy my beer and whiskey.
Fundamentally there is no ethical difference between alcohol and any other intoxicant, was my only point.
It's weird how addicts think that as a society we aren't allowed to have socially accepted norms, such as drinking, and as individuals they are allowed to dictate what we accept. It is the same attitude that has caused the "don't misgender me, I'm a snowflake" shit that is on the rise. You are just a man and a dress, and a junkie. If you don't like how society perceives you then fucking leave. Stop stealing my goddam tv. I will not allow drugs to be legalized because you are upset, and I will not call you a demi gender elf. Btw i was a junkie for 10 years, all of these posts are me
It doesn't matter how Portugal does things.
If all drugs were to be legalized, the tax income could be used in similar ways to how it is used in your loved Portugal to deal with addicts, instead of relocating those funds from elsewhere.
Sure, I agree decriminalizing everything is also a good solution, but that's a half measure and it leaves a good bit of income to the criminal enterprices and the government would still have to deal with treating addicts without the added tax income that comes with legalization.
Whoever told you meth had medicinal value was blowing smoke up your ass. Meth is so caustic to the human body that skin to crystal contact with the shit gives you chemical burns. You then inhale the stuff that just melted your skin off for touching it into your lungs, and then spend a couple days awake eating nothing but Skittles and Mountain Dew until your teeth rot out.
All drugs ARE legal. No government has the right to tell any person what they can do with, do to, or put in their own body. There is only one thing that is wholly and irrevocably YOUR possession, and that is your body. Therefore, any so called "drug laws" are illegitimate. It doesn't matter who made said laws, who enforces it, who or how many people voted for those laws, or anything else. My rights to my body cannot be mitigated by any system outside of my body.
Whoever told you meth had medicinal value was blowing smoke up your ass. Meth is so caustic to the human body that skin to crystal contact with the shit gives you chemical burns.
Ah the irony.
While I agree that meth has no medicinal value, whoever told you it burns your skin was blowing smoke up YOUR ass. I've handled meth plenty. I've handled shitty shake and bake full of other shit and I've handled pure crystals. Neither one ever gave me a chemical burn.
you're a fucking moron, alcohol is the most destructive substance, far worse than any other hard drug, look how many deaths and alcohol related diseases are there? Portugal decriminialized all hard drugs, what happened, you think everyone started doing meth and heroin? No, drug related deaths decreased a lot.
It's also acceptable to criticize the logic of socially accepted norms.
You go to rural Afghanistan it's sometimes socially acceptable to marry and bang a 12 year old girl.
I'm not equating the two, but the concept of "socially acceptable" should always be in a constant state of reevaluation.
But there is. On a societal level, physiological level, and production level there is a multitude of differences. I've fucking been through all of it, but drugs are very different in what they do to you and how people perceive them. I love freedom, privacy, and personal freedom but that does not mean I do not have first hand knowledge of what these different substances do to different people. By legalizing and selling drugs like heroin we making a powerful statement about what will tolerate from the people who live here, and I am not ok with it
Now bearing in mind what I said earlier
How does selling heroin or meth Ober the counter benefit society when we have a perfectly good model for reducing the cost of enforcing our laws and helping addicts? Sell me on this idea user
implying that if something is legalized, it's suddenly not a drug anymore
Ever think that alcohol is worse because its readily available?
I'm not sure if your confusing me with someone else, but I don't advocate open availability for all substances. I don't want a walk in meth shop on the corner.
I just don't think the guy caught with it should rot in prison. Being a junkie is an awful life choice to make, I agree. I don't endorse it.
Manufacturing certain substances should still be illegal. Possessing them should not be.
I'd agree 100%. There is absolutely no reason to drug prohibition. If someone wants to use them, why should they be told not to.
So you want to spend the money we make from selling drugs to solve the inflating drug problem we have created? Criminal organizations will still exist, should we legalize selling stolen goods to prevent them making a profit from that? There might be income from legalizing drugs, but drugs that ate illegal now we're once legal. Weed aside these were legal drugs at one pot that were an integral part of our culture. However the cost to society at a whole was high, so high that we they were made illegal. People should be penalized for drug use, but if the government is so broke that it has to become a drug dealer then we need to seriously reorganize how we spend our money. The solution to this problem is not "fuck it man sell some heroin"
Sorry user, some other person in thread
Is in fact implying that. I totally agree with your viewpoint though.
Also fair, more just pointing out the harsh reality of alcohol
It's the ONLY readily available drug, I am all for legalizing cannabis and putting more restrictions on alcohol, if people need to use something, they better use cannabis, far less destructive substance than alcohol.
So you want to spend the money we make from selling drugs to solve the inflating drug problem we have created?
Similar to how drug use in Portugal has decreased since decriminalization of drugs, is there a reason to believe it would "inflate" due to legalization? Just because I could go and buy heroin from the shop doesn't mean I would, and neither would most other people because it's a fact that it's extremely bad for you. Still, those that want to get fucked up on H will get fucked up on it and it's always better that the income goes to the government rather than the criminals, is it not? Also legalizing drugs would mean increased quality-control which is just one of many benefits of legalizing over decriminalizing.
However the cost to society at a whole was high, so high that we they were made illegal.
Bullshit. Drugs were made illegal because of fear and corporate interests.
And it's not about the "goverment being broke", it's about freedom of choice and about providing that freedom in the most reasonable way.
Alcohol is a drug, never said it wasn't. The vast majority of people put it into a different category thiugh
all that stuff is happening BECAUSE it's illegal though
people are killing each other because of high demand and low supply, if the shit is legal the demand will match supply and you won't have gangs shooting up each other because there is no more money in pushing it.
anti-drug laws were put in place by people who did absolutely no real world thinking about this shit and is still enforced because of gang violence, its literally a circle of cause and effect
Only weed, but I might change my mind if I experiment more in the future.
that's the same reason alcohol was illegal.... and guess what... making it illegal made things 10X worse....
after they legalized it it calmed down a whole lot.
As long as the drugs are well regulated, I don't see a problem.
You're right user, alcoholics never rob anyone or commit crimes. I also hear they all go to church
so people can stay alive on welfare? What's the point. Let them kill themselves and remove the strain they cause on society.
Alcohol is good in moderation though.
so it's OK that one drug is completely legal, but other less dangerous substances like cannabis are not?
the issue is drug abuse not the actual drugs, people can do meth and still function normally granted it's a slippery slope.
any drug is good in moderation, doh
Activities that are very addictive are ALREADY legal.
I love how its "AMERICA" that might have found a way yo decriminalize it having made marijuana legal in 2014 in a single state, when in the Netherlands you've been able to buy weed in stores for about 50/40 years or so...
Even better, you can bring your drugs "Any kind" to a Hospital, if they have a testing centre you can test ur drugs there for 20,- anonymously and see if it might kill you
I am the guy who wrote the last post.
Commenting on prostitutes...
It is legal in many places and if not there is always many loop-holes in the laws.
lots of alcoholics don't rob stores you are confusing the issue here, there will always be retarded derelicts robbing people and abusing literally any substance out there including fucking gasoline or even nitrogen gas
It is legal in many places
Maybe in Europe. Not in the states. Used to be legal in Canada, but they went backwards. Should be legal everywhere.
implying any of these provide the amount of pleasure and exhiliration per dollar as meth and heroin
lots of areas in the US don't even consider weed as a recreational thing and even look down on people who drink alcohol
these are the people who are standing in the way of people who want to use it recreational without going to prison
Maybe drug use wouldn't increase, it certainly wouldn't decrease since your model does not provide increased access to addicts. So where's your sources on these corporations trying to stop my drug use. I'll grant you weed was illegalized to prosecute minorities but hit me with some data other than that stoner saying "bro the corporations hate it when we get high because they wanna sell use their commercial Madison Avenue life". Shit if I was a corporation I would love to sell coke or heroin, most people can't make it or have access to the ingredients so there's no real risk of people growing it in their back yard like pot
yeah sure people should be able to do what they want,but that will never happen because they need people for their prisons!
Sorry user, weed should be legal though
And we killed his son but he's cool.
found the jew
The problem with drugs (including alcohol) is that drugs influence behavior in a way that causes violent criminal actions upon others. Making drugs illegal that can cause that behavior is for the good of the civilization. Drunk driving is illegal, and we even tried to make alcohol illegal, but that didn't go over so well. If we ever legalize some hard shit, we're opening pandora's box to causing huge problems to society, then we run the risk of not being able to close the box like how we can't close it with alcohol.
It's mainly the pharma-business. There are no licenses and patents on illegal drugs yet they work well for treating many symptoms. It's their product versus an "open-source" product, so to speak. Naturally they are anti-legalization and it's not even a secret.
I think you should read about the Opium Wars and then write a paper on why the conditions present then wouldn't manifest again.
By the same token so are you. I was a junkie who sold drugs, I didn't rob people. Some junkies will rob for money, and some do other things. This is true of alcoholics as well. Either way there will always be people who would rather work than steal, or are forced to steal. Legalizing g drugs is not the magic bullet you implied
They are all addictive, so they all count as like "getting high."
I don't need to be that exact. If taking a small line of cocaine isn't as euphoric as shooting heroin, then why be so exact. It just losses the whole point. Look at cigs. They are very addictive, yet are not the same power by dollar as most drugs.
Like I said this thinking just losses the point of what addiction is.
so if all drugs were made legal tomorrow you'd still have cartels in Mexico making billions a year pushing drugs to the US? What about all the violence that is directly related to the drug trade like gangs fighting over a city which pays out millions of dollars a month?
Get the fuck out of here. Ain't no fucking 160 proof beer anywhere and even if it did exist it would taste like shit.
you really this dumb?
this shit has been outlined decades ago.
you think there weren't good people trying to expose/fight the "war on drugs"?
problem is, they lost and the corrupt mob ridden gobbermint won over the free people of america, who subsequently spread their scheme throughout the UN, and the world.
and now we live in the worst possible outcome earth could have come to.
hurr durr mexicans so bad
hurr durr we need wall against these mexicans!
wait how did they get the funding for all these weapons
wait why is it all american made weapons
wait why did we create this enemy out of nothing
oh right more power for us, less power to the people, more money for us, more poor saps who'll sell their soul for pennies
woo gotta love the drug war. violence, crime, fuck regulations lets flood the market with unknown substances made in somebodies fucking kitchen.
The issue is pharmaceutical companies would still have a virtual monopoly. I can't grow coca in my back yard, it's a goddam tree. Buying a chemistry set and growing poppies is impractical, and poppies can only be hrvested a certain time each year. Plus it is estimated that 11-15% of the population is an addict/alcholic, so these are people who are guaranteed to buy your product. Even breaking into a small percentage of these hundreds of millions of consumers would be extremely profitable.
The reality is that even in places with legal weed most consumers do not grow their own. They do not have the time, interest, or patience plus it is not economically sensible. This would also be the case with drugs, especially since I can't grow a meth or cocaine plant
I think they should at least be regulated. Think cigarettes but with heroin or something that can kill you quickly.
I would argue they would still fight over territory. There is still many illegal lucrative industries such as fencing stolen goods, illegal weapons sales, prostitution, gambeling, and shaking sown brick and mortar businesses that they would be involved in. Legalizing drugs is not going to cause powerful entrenched criminal organizations to evaporate like a puddle in the sun. These people make a lot of money, and only small crappy gangs make it entirely on drug sales
Yes they would stil be there, but MUCH less of a problem.
You don't see as much of an industry with legal drugs being produced illegally over how many users just buy them legally.
Yes there will remain some production, but it would be MINIMAL, as opposed to giving up and handing over the whole market to gangsters.
lol found the person who wants a dictator to control every aspect of every persons life, only based on their chosen morals.
Go join ISIS they have the same views as you.
What I'm saying user is gangs would still make money on other illegal activities, not including drug sales. Using the capital accumulated they would invest in other activities that were still illegal, such as the ones I outlined in my previous post.
There would be a high incentive to fight over territory due to wanting to monopolize these interests in their communities. While people might no longer buy drugs for illegal organizations there would still be many money making opportunities available giving their organization a reason to still exist. In fact destabilizing these large revenue sources might cause them to be even more ruthless in an attempt to secure their future in a period where they are uncertain about their future
you just argue for the sake of arguing?
If the money that they have so far has accumulated due to drug prohibition, why let it continue to accumulate and not just legalize drugs.
As well, few investments for the gangs to make have as much reward as drugs and once they are unable to make as profitable investments as they would with drugs, they'd have to downsize.
Dubs of truth, is this not Sup Forums? Fun topic to discuss tbh
I'm not hurting anyone by doing it.
You're hurting yourself by doing it. Your family has to take care of you when you get bad from it.
If you get any schizophrenia from your use of drugs, the government will have to intervene to help you. This in turn will cost the tax payer.
People will find and do the drugs regardless of the laws, they do not work.
Wrong. Weak people will TRY to find drugs. That's why a strict system should be in place to prevent them from doing so. There are 3 components that are necessary for the prevention of illegal drug consumption:
- 1 A stable family with a mother & father.
- 2 An actual government that takes this issue seriously and punishes those who partake in such activities.
- 3 A media apparatus that doesn't glorify this idiotic lifestyle.
People who take mind altering drugs deserve no respect. This stuff destroys lives and makes productive people turn into witless zombies.
There needs to be an actual war on drugs (and no there currently isn't one being waged in the West). Something akin to what is being done in the Philippines may be appropriate.
Also, just look how much of a drain drug users are on society itself. They don't contribute much if anything. They are likely on welfare and are not paying into the tax system, but instead taking from the government to feed their lifestyle.
Also, if drugs are somehow legalized it will do little to change anything for the good. Drug dealers will still be in business and still making a living off of other people's misery. This is because the government will tax any drugs that are legalized to such an extent that buying the same type of drug illegally will be more beneficial to the user. Just look at cigarettes. They are legalized yet people can still buy them illegally because the government wants to tax you. Plus there is an implicit agreement between you & the government that one day you will require the services necessary for be treated for the medical conditions that will arise as a result of you taking such drugs. The dealer won't have to be concerned about such things and as a result can charge less.
I do think smaller gangs would struggle, large ones might have some uncertainty but I don't think it would lemonade gangs. If it would then you might convince me. Weird fact but apparently counterfeit goods make roughly the same amount of money per year as drugs do for criminal organizations
This in turn will cost the tax payer.
No, it WOULD cost even more money to waste on enforcing prohibition and rather then helping addicts get off of their addictions, would just exasperate the issue of addiction, and in the end, cost EVEN MORE.