Are there any songs where the tempo doubles twice or more? Bonus points for punk/metal/jazz. Also, drum thread.
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Jeremiah Foster
Ethan Lewis
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probably not what you're looking for but on this track the bass is in single time (?), the horns are in double time, and then the drums are in triple time.
It's all played together though
Isaac Foster
Nice. Reminds me of Lonely Woman and Wailing Wail. Got any more like that where the drummer's just burning behind some laidback horns?
Josiah Scott
>single time (?)
in jazz, it's called double time and in orchestral music it's half time
just fyi
Justin Adams
No, because double-time and half-time are both relative to what I'm talking about- I'd call it either normal time or single time.
Half-time would be half as fast as the "normal time" and double-time is twice as fast.
Angel Phillips
Have you ever played in either jazz group or an orchestra? They're just terms used in their respective settings. Yes, their denotations contradict, but their connotations are the same.
Jonathan Stewart
"Single time" is never used in either setting.
Logan Nguyen
Oh shit, I realize I goofed there. I had to re-read that to see what you mean about "single time". My bad. Still, I haven't ever heard that term or seen it written before.
Charles Lewis
Well then how would you explain the three time feels going on in this track? How would you describe what feel the bass is in?
Blake Wood
Still though, "double time" in jazz means the same thing as "half time" in an orchestra.
Dylan Adams
Right because there's almost never a need to use it. It's not really very often that you have two tempi going on at the same time. Usually the whole ensemble shifts as one to double or half time and if they shift back, it's usually just referred to as a tempo. Hence why I put a question mark after the term- I'm not sure what the correct terminology would be.
Thomas Williams
The bass is playing in "common time".
Liam Wright
Cut time maybe? I've never heard of half time being anything other than half as fast, but being a pianist, I've never played with an orchestra and so I'm much more familiar with jazz terminology.
Kayden Lopez
Common time is a time signature not a rhythmic description
Lincoln Lewis
Nah common time just means 4/4. Which the bass IS playing in, but I mean how would you describe it as relative to what time the rest of the ensemble is playing in.
Benjamin White
You can just say playing in time. There is no exact term for what you're looking for. No musician would expect one. Just say one instrument is playing in time normally while the other is playing double time
In the song discussed, the bass and horns are playing at tempo together, the drums are double time
Aaron Howard
>the bass and horns are playing at tempo together
I disagree, if you listen to what the horns are playing you'd typically expect the bass to be walking twice as fast as it is
Mason Robinson
The bass is laying down quarter notes and the horns never go more than 16th notes, mainly eight notes and triplets except for the occasional run (and the solo around 3:00, but that's the sax matching the drums and being showy). They're playing at tempo together
Evan Torres
Cut time and common time are just for notation and don't affect the tempo. Half time is slower and double time is faster than the established tempo.
Matthew Turner
>Cut time and common time are just for notation
AKA time signatures. "Cut time" is mainly for old marches (means 2/2). Common time is an old timey way of saying 4/4
>Half time is slower and double time is faster than the established tempo
Correct
Christopher Scott
From the liner notes
David Gray
This is interesting because I wonder which downbeats each musician was really "feeling". Reminds me of this video:
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Luis Martin
He's obviously more talented than me so I'll take his word for it, but the bass is supposed to cement the groove so when people listen they assume the bass's tempo is the actual tempo of the song. Having the rhythm section both playing above tempo and then having the horns play what they want just makes the song sound fast, not necessarily rhythmically layered -- the 1-2-3 thing doesn't translate. I genuinely don't think the song comes across the way they wanted it to. Also considering how fast the drums are, I would be shocked if they could even play it live
Logan Brooks
I agree with you actually. But I would bet that they played it "live" in the studio. It might have taken a couple takes but they didn't really overdub shit back then, especially on jazz records.
Andrew Rogers
neu! makes me wanna pick up drums
Jeremiah Young
i expected to hate this
but i didnt.
id actually call the bass doing 8th.
the horns are a s slower feel above it, really a half-ish time swing.
the drums i would properly call CUT TIME against the bass, hotly fucking swung.
adds up to what this bozo said and god i hate to admit it
but im using accurate language that musicians can understand.
Chase Hall
you guys dont listen to enough jazz
those cats are rockets.
Adrian Davis
you could probably consider some zach hill phrasing as doubling and then doubling again when hes like rolling 64ths.
there must be some slayer esque tunes that do that as well
Easton Lee
yeah like this
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tots not as cool as
Kayden Sanders
actually, bozo is wrong: horns are half, drums double.
Dylan Baker
drum bump
drump
drumpf
Zachary Sullivan