I haven't watched TOS in a while, but I'm watching 'Balance of Terror' (an episode I don't believe I ever saw) as Fuller has said it's a touchstone for Star Trek: Discovery.
Why did Trek stop being this based? Seriously, I'd never really call myself a Trekkie as much as I grew up on TNG, DS9 and VOY because it was sci-fi and it was airing on television, and I enjoy the shows and characters a fair amount, but TOS was fucking GOAT.
FUCK TNG for making this colorful, melodramatic, zany show into what it did. No wonder people that love all the other shows through and through can't stand the Kelvin Timeline.
>In a different reality, I could have called you friend.
Holy fuck, Kelvin version please.
Jonathan Nelson
Tbh if TOS was more based around war/combat DS9 it would have been a far superior series. Roddenberry was a literal, unironic hack.
Nathaniel Garcia
>Roddenberry was a literal, unironic hack
How dare you.
Wyatt Torres
*like DS9
>denying the truth
Lincoln Brown
I don't think it's true at all, I don't know how you'd arrive at that opinion.
Jackson Miller
Almost every idea he had for TNG was shit. Although I like TMP better than most he was largely responsible for what went wrong with it.
Dominic Ross
I watched Charlie X the other day and there was a part where he walks by a group of people invisible to the audience around a corner laughing, says "NO LAUGHING", does something to them, then a second later you hear muffled screaming and a faceless woman comes stumbling around the corner. I felt myself unironically, genuinely disturbed and it really gave me a great early impression (It's only the second episode) of the show.
Connor Thompson
How the fuck can you call the guy that created the property a hack for contributing subpar work to a reboot when he was past his prime?!
> Turning a submarine hunt into a spaceship hunt. > Everyone has to be really quiet so the enemy doesn't hear them... IN SPACE. > Spock accidentally drops a spanner and it somehow alerts the enemy. He could be a Romulan spy!
Ryder Cruz
His women weren't that attractive though. They all had a generic beauty about them. They couldn't hold a candle to yeoman Rand.
Thomas Carter
You're forgetting all about his android babes from season 2.
Ian White
>nigger captain not very realistic lets be honest
Samuel Nelson
are you ok with the pew-pew noises the ships' weaponry makes?
Kevin Foster
>flying alien pancakes episiode
Michael Mitchell
That fucker comes back? I didn't realize. I haven't gotten that far yet.
Ryder Wright
Eat a thousand dicks you racist piece of shit.
Nicholas Brooks
>I like my SF hard and deep
Get a room.
Parker Cox
There's a difference between the sound we the audience hears and pretending that suddenly the vacuum of space doesn't exist and the 2 ships are acting like they're underwater where tracking by sound actually works.
Matthew Bailey
That was basically what happened in Wrath of Khan.
Also, Clone Wars had a pretty good "submarine" episode
Nicholas Foster
See, here's the thing: Star Trek is splody boom boom sci-fi, whether Trekkies want to admit it or not. Which is why the Kelvin Timeline bashing from some segments of the fandom is ludicrous.
Luke Gomez
Roddenberry got caught up in his own utopian vision for the shows future.
The best episodes are war movie pastiches like BoT (the best TOS episode) but too many of them would give Star Trek a darker reputation and forget that they're explorers and diplomats not warriors.
That said I watched Court Martial last night and Capt Kirk has to be one of the most decorated military men of all time.
Leo Butler
I'M CAPTAIN KIRK!
Gavin Lopez
im watching star trek for the first time and i just watched this episode last night. kek you probably like it because these episodes feel like western movies in space.
David Kelly
>The best episodes are war movie pastiches
That's why I liked the Section 31 shit in INTO DARKNESS.
Blake Young
Thank you OP. It's nice to have lots of TNG/DS9 discussion but it's a shame on the 50th anniversary not to have as much of the original.
Lots of the effects are dated but I would argue that the banter between Kirk, Spock and McCoy is still unmatched by any of the other series's.
Brayden Sanchez
I always thought it was fucked up that Spock's dad was the Romulan commander. I know he was the Romulan first, but seeing it after watching all the movies and the series, it seems so weird. If they do a Kelvinverse episode of this, Ben Cross should totally play the Romulan captain. Actually, they can't. The whole episode was based on how nobody knew what the Romulans looked like. Now they do, thanks to Nero and his guys.
Camden Thompson
The Court Martial episode messed with my head, when Kirk said he was only 34. It's a really weird feeling to know I'm older than Kirk was. He was always a grownup to me
Nicholas Wood
Absolutely. A lot of fans are moaning about Dicovery being a prequel like Enterprise and the Kelvin Timeline movies, but I'm really hoping it means Fuller wants to lean into the TOS style in a big way.
Dominic Richardson
It's literally a Submarine movie.
Yea it really threw me off aswell. Not least because the Romulanhater on the Con immediately starts giving Spock shit. Had to google to make sure it wasn't Sarek.
Joshua Watson
I AM KIROK!!
Nicholas Long
>I always thought it was fucked up that Spock's dad was the Romulan commander. I know he was the Romulan first, but seeing it after watching all the movies and the series, it seems so weird.
Agreed. The only thing worse to me than reusing an actor (it can work if the character is disguised well enough) is recasting an actor.
Leo Ramirez
And wasn't another Romulan officer the guy who cucked Spock in Amok Time?
Aiden Perry
Yeah, they can't do a straight remake of the episode, but they could introduce the character as a rival to Spock for Kirk's affections.
Mason Taylor
Young men just looked more mature back in the day, somehow. Chris Pine is 36.
Adam Nelson
sure but the alternative was someone else playing Sarek and that would waste one of the best castings of the series.
For all Star Trek predicted. Home video and regular watching was not one of them.
Elijah Morales
Can't pretend I'm that familiar. I should probably rewatch every series, the fact that it's all on Netflix is pretty great.
>he alternative was someone else playing Sarek and that would waste one of the best castings of the series
Double-edged sword, yeah.
Levi Baker
Who /identifieswithscotty/ here?
Owen Hughes
What if they were actually Vulcan spies onboard the Romulan ship, and just staying deep under cover?
Christian Perez
I haven't seen wrath of khan, is directors cut the definitive version?
Alexander Young
He died onscreen.
Aaron Phillips
Merely pretending.
Dylan Watson
I am also curious about this because I've seen the theatrical cut and it's great.
Aaron Roberts
Best TOS episode right here.
Or Plato's Stepchildren
Eli Jackson
>Agreed. The only thing worse to me than reusing an actor (it can work if the character is disguised well enough) is recasting an actor.
Justin Wilson
See, this worked for me because they were different species. I love that shit. I want to see William Shatner play a Klingon in the Kelvin Timeline.
Michael Gonzalez
Yeah it's not really realistic to have a nigger become a captain. And when they did, it was the captain of a fucking space station that didn't go anywhere. Can't have a nigger chimp out when some Vulcan accidentally steps on his/hers brand new space Converse shoes or Fubu designed Star Fleet suit. Chances are that he/she also starts yelling at the screen every time they are being hailed by another ship.
Levi Morgan
Your comedic talent is wasted here, you should do Klan meetings you repulsive fuck.
Grayson Clark
Thank you for correcting the record. 0.05 Zimbabwean dollars have been deposited into your account.
Christopher Rivera
Stop holding the rest of your species back you backwards asshole. With attitudes like that We'll never make warp.
Landon Nelson
If you are triggered...he wins. If you ignore him...he's pathetic. When will you people learn this?
Leo Brooks
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Alexander Long
>We'll never make warp. >White people holding everything back.
Right...
Logan Bell
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Nathaniel Myers
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Gavin Morgan
Wasn't he the one who liked beating people up? (((Shatner)))
Henry Thompson
>being a racist fan of the most overtly progressive, humanist piece of pop culture around
Josiah Diaz
>88
Leo Butler
>Rodenberry was a hack
It aired in the mid 60s when there was nothing like it, pushing the boundaries of television. You're just a fucking twat.
Zachary Price
They won't. People are fucking retarded. People post offensive shit specifically because they know some idiot will get triggered and give him more material to work with.
Sebastian Peterson
Exactly. People seriously abuse the word hack. A hack isn't a writer whose work you find lacking (which is hard to argue in this case anyway), but a writer who churns out schlock for a quick buck. Roddenberry is the opposite of that, he clearly worked hard to bring the world something he truly believed in.
Anthony Sanchez
>he doesn't like noises in space. >literally all sci-fi movies and shows until sandra bullock disaster film.
Nolan Thompson
2OOI had no sound in space, but otherwise you are correct.
Wyatt Jenkins
2001 doesn't have noise in space, does it? I'm surprised more sci-fi doesn't rise to the challenge desu. BSG came close but gave up real quick after the miniseries. The dull sounds was a nice touch anyhow.
Lincoln Ramirez
>kubrickmind
Wyatt Adams
>explosion in space >big fireball, noise
Ian Moore
I haven't watched BSG in a long time. It gave up on a lot of things. You can't blame them. It was a long running show on a network that cancelled most of their shows after a season or two.
Jackson Jones
Yeah but the ships have oxygen in them for the people inside so there could be an explosion in space for a short period of time. In fact every space explosion in movies is brief.
Cameron Martin
If anything, what happened with BSG after season two should just go to cement why they cancel shows after just a couple seasons.
Lincoln Baker
there's a difference between sounds in space and using sounds in space to locate an other ship. for subs its fine but in space its just dumb
Parker Miller
Image you're working on the next episode of your hit sci-fi show, in the 60s. Show the episode to the studio execs, because they give you money, and you're required to.
>"There's no noise when that shit exploded." >"Actually, there is no sound in space." >"Yeah, but your average viewer doesn't know that, and it's not very fun is it?"
How do people not realize that times change?
Jose Flores
That's also the BSG and Firefly sound logic - the sound we hear as an audience is in reality localised, not "captured" in the vacuum of space.
James Jones
I doubt they expected it to last as long as it did.
Carson Evans
They didn't get cancelled did they, they called it quits. I liked the whole show though, could've done with approx 1000% less "spirituality", but I found the whole thing emotionally and dramatically satisfying, and nothing's ever going to erase those first two seasons. One of my favourite shows of all time.
Joshua Johnson
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Jack Butler
That was the point he was making. Because they didn't expect to last beyond a season or two, they hadn't planned that far out. Then they pulled a LOST, and made shit up as they went along, and ended up writing themselves into retardation.
That said, I agree with you about the first two seasons, and Razor. They are GOAT.
Brandon Rodriguez
I was familiar with Balance of Terror before Fuller said anything. You BoT newfags need to get out of Trek fandom and stop making trekthreads. Poseur fucks.
Juan Young
>You BoT newfags need to get out of Trek fandom and stop making trekthreads. Poseur fucks.
I hope this is a joke.
Aaron Hernandez
Chris Pine looks much more seasoned now than he did a few years ago. He's already going grey.
Cooper Long
Yeah, I like it. I also think that if he played the character into his 60s like Shatner did (I doubt it, but still) he'd age a lot better. As in we won't be looking at a tubby guy with a grey perm, he'll be more Liam Neeson. Sexy old action Kirk is something I can live with.
Juan Lopez
Nice filename
Adam Sanchez
>2 ships are acting like they're underwater where tracking by sound actually works If a ship can scan space and see another ship, it's safe to assume that vibrations within a ship can also be scanned
This is like arguing that ship-to-ship communication wouldn't work because it uses sound. Like, yeah, it does, but that sound is transmitted in a different form
Justin Butler
No, he specifically hits a button that opens up a radio frequency.
Samuel Allen
Love it when these Hard SF nazis get TOLD Pressed Latinum.
Noah Nguyen
>Why did Trek stop being this based? Probably The Next Generation. It's weird, TOS had its '60s cheesiness, but the instant Q showed up I got the feeling TNG was going to be schlock.
William Ross
i like tng but TOS definitely had a more human feel, less technobabble more organic character etc.
Ayden White
I bet Charlie would browse /r9k/
Ryan Ramirez
Is "The City on the Edge of Forever" the most overrated episode ever?
Aiden Carter
What makes you think it's overrated?
Jace Evans
>I am Kirok! >mfw
Christopher Hill
>Kelvin Timeline
Is that the movie verse? Is STD set in the movie verse? Fuck.
Justin Jones
It's not.
Joseph Stewart
So what the fuck is the Kelvin timeline then
Elijah Barnes
>You're just a fucking twat.
Lmao fuck off leddit
Aaron Nguyen
> This is like arguing that ship-to-ship communication wouldn't work because it uses sound. Like, yeah, it does, but that sound is transmitted in a different form
Are completely retarded? Yeah, electromagnetic waves travel in a vacuum, acoustic vibrations do not. They're not similar in the slightest.
Finally someone who has actually seen the episode. You're right, he did open up a radio frequency by accident. The rest of you faggots claiming "muh sound travels thru space because it's a TV show" should go kill yourselves. You're what's wrong with scifi.