August 16, 2017 - Washington Post writer, Mark Bray, justifies the use of violence by FBI listed terrorist group 'antifa' against those who don't agree with them
Mark Bray, "We should not, ..., abstractly assess the ethical status of violence in the absence of the values and context behind it.
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How ironic
Again justifying violence
Well, you know, it's pretty obvious that neo-nazis want to exterminate or at least oppress a LARGE fraction of our country. Antifa types only want to hurt the people trying to do that. I don't precisely approve of the violent side of their actions and tactics, but I don't really think they're doing a bad thing either.
Yeah but now they are lumping a huge percentage of the country's conservative white people who are increasingly afraid of voicing their opinion for fear of social retribution.
Supporting less government, less taxes, and control of illegal immigration is not the same as being a 'neo-nazi'
it is an unfortunate paradox that, to maintain tolerance, the one thing that cannot be allowed to grow is intolerance. the neo-nazis' dogma is that of genocide of those deemed "unworthy" - blacks, jews, the disabled, gay, immigrants. they are desperate to paint the anti-fascists as a "terrorist threat" to legitimize their own actions, and to foster division.
These people are scum, and should be driven back into the holes they crawled out from, and to remain cowering there for another 70 years.
here, by the way, is the AP news agency's statement on its policy to stop using the phrase "alt-right" as it is a disguise term for white supremacists.
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neo-nazis make up a tiny fraction of the so called 'alt-right' yet they are talked about like they are representative of the entire group while antifa who consistently uses violence against people who don't agree with them are deemed socially acceptable.
communist sjw scum
Protect the constitution of the United States of America!
Everyone has their right to free speech even neo-nazis unfortunately.
Even Antifa thugs unfortunately. What they do not have the right to do is use violence to promote their political agenda
>neo-nazis make up a tiny fraction of the so called 'alt-right' yet they are talked about like they are representative of the entire group
Perhaps its time for the right to develop a spine, and do the right thing then; punch neo-nazis in the face, and not willingly march alongside them?
If they dont want to be associated with them. dont associate with them. its hardly rocket science.
communism and antifa: both good
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This youtuber promotes violence against people for their political beliefs and advocates for "less white people..."
They want complete control over the silent white majority in this country. Soon they are going to reach a point where people are going to be forced to stand up for their rights
You make me sick honestly , you're just as bad as those with the swastika flags and giving the nazi salute
People won't stand up. Materialism. You have to risk all of your nintendo, and your car, and your boat, and your house which you worked your whole life for to stand up. It's game over.
No, cowards won't stand up. And once these wanna be thugs either get arrested or actually grow up and grow out of it and actually pay taxes , the truth will become pretty apparent. History will show the truth, god willing
It's worse. The cowards won't only not stand up, but they'll defend their nintendo if they have to.
History will show the truth and will remember those who chose corruption and the demolishment of tradition and culture in favor of globalism and poverty. What they don't realize is that they are their own worst enemy. They are building their own cage.
That's it, user.
The game is so rigged to get that house that you will support anything to keep it.
No that's the antifa cucks who think they are actually doing something noble . I think you underestimate what people will be willing to do when their way of life and basic freedoms are threatened.
I see it all aroundt he world, people just piss their freedoms away.
Fuck the guy who rammed into the protesters and fuck antifa criminals . merica
Basic rights like not getting shot by the police for being poor and black.
Oh god not this shit.
So the answer is hurt white people or others who disagree with you ? Everyone deserves those rights. blacks , whites, chinese, slavic. They also have the right to peacefully protest in this country you fucking moron.
>FBI listed terrorist group 'antifa'
FBI listed them a terrorist group? Link pls?
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>We hate nazi's just as much as you do
>literally marches alongside nazi's and cheers when they kill a lefty
>makes memes praising hitler or parodying the genocide of jews
Huh, I wonder why the alt-right can't seperate itself from the Nazi image.
Nobody thinks lowering taxes, border control, or smaller government makes you a nazi, it's the whole "I hate black/brown people and wish society was more white" thing
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They aren't. Nobody calls anyone nazis except the actual nazis waving nazi flags and calling for genocide.
It's just nonsense that they call anyone they dislike a nazi.
>so the answer is to hurt people who disagree with you?
No. But who agrees with a nazi?
Racial cleansing is bad, user.
>Supporting less government, less taxes, and control of illegal immigration is not the same as being a 'neo-nazi'
true, but.. nobody, even the antifarts, are really saying that. They're calling out the actual national socialists (you know, marching with swastika banners shouting "jews will not replace us" and "blood and soil" etc) and the crypto-nazis who pretend to "just wanna create a peaceful, white ethnostate and erhh.. like, discuss the Jewish Quistion, hehe.. kek!" -they're not calling normal, run-of-the-mill conservatives (McCain et al) nazis.
you know this, please. Stop larping with your victim card.
They don't just harm people that are doing that, they hit a trump supporter over the head with a bike lock because 'trump supporters r racist xddd". They also threw molotovs at police in Paris, almost killing two of them.
stop crying, Sup Forums, it's unmanly.
No right minded person believes that. Believe it or not most conservatives are normal people. The self described neo nazis don't represent the majority. just because they might be the most outspoken or inflammatory doesn't mean the are representative of the entire group. God . This is basic logic
Yeah and using violence to oppress free speech is bad also. Racial cleansing doesn't exist in this country and would never get of the house floor,
so, do you stand up against those with the swastika flags and giving the nazi salute with the same ardent contempt, that you do those on the extreme left?
>thinking european antifa and american antifa ahve anything to do with each other
thanks god no, american antifa are fucking pussies and have no political experience or history. Antifa in europe is present since decades.
Never said conservatives were all nazi's bud, just that the alt-right can't complain about being called Nazi's when they march with Nazi's.
alt-right =/= all conservatives.
this x10
so, it's a lie that blacks are treated like dog shit in America but... it's true that whites are being genocided?
National socialist =/= black, jew hating genocide advocating. If anything this antifa thug group is frothing at the mouth waiting for the chance to genocide white average americans.
Any pictures of antifa flying communist hammer and sickle flags or wearing hammer and sickle pins?
I don't agree with either of them. But I do believe that they both have the right to peacefully protest and a right to free speech.
>National socialist =/= black, jew hating genocide advocating
you're a fucking retard
>No right minded person believes that. Believe it or not most conservatives are normal people. The self described neo nazis don't represent the majority. just because they might be the most outspoken or inflammatory doesn't mean the are representative of the entire group
this is what moderate Muslims have been trying to say about themselves for aeons... just saying, you know.
lol
Everybody is treated like shit. I go to work, my soul is ripped out through my chest and shattered into a million pieces. But I still consider myself responsible for how I act in response.
Go to europe. America is nothing comparatively. Fucking liberal pussies never been through anything tough in their entire life
the European Antifa have had to deal with European Nazis for decades, that's why they're so extremely effective at it today -American Nazism (as we see it today, alt right/identitarian etc) is a rather novel concept, so of course American Antifa are also newfags.
Can you not separate from your act and actually think for yourself ? even a little bit? God you are pathetic.
You are right! But I liked my racist nation closeted.
Make Racists Afraid Again.
>stop being a sheep!
>If you don't agree with me you're a sheep!
>Nazi's are good and if you disagree you're not thinking for yourself!
An hero bud.
cancer
antifa being listed as a terrorist org by FBI is patently false, easily googled
>National socialist =/= black, jew hating genocide advocating
really? so the old German Nazis, you know Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, were wrong all along? They preached racial purity, a white Germanic ethnostate and the extermination of the Jewish people, the gays, the gypsies.. and even Jehovas Witnesses for some reason. Guess they rang too many door bells.
please define National Socialism, in your words, then.
this falls under hatespeech laws, in both U.S and canada
if the governments of these nations are actually about equality, they will try and imprison him like they did those people passing anti islamic "hate speech" to so many
sounds like your problem is capitalism, not minorities.
I'm Danish, brah.
triggered much, snowflake?
I have to hand it to the alt-right: I've never heard anyone honestly use the excuse "I'm not a nazi, I just attend nazi rallies" before in earnest. People here drop it like it's common sense.
not an argument.
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How does saying everybody has a right to protest and a right to speak their mind get translated in your mind as that ?they are listed by the department of homeland security.
ITT: whiny nazi faggots
ITT also: Tumblr-tier virtue signalling.
This
There's some overlap but that doesn't mean all white conservatives hate people of other races and want to exterminate them . That's retarded as fuck and you are too for believing the narrative.
Problem with your thinking user is you haven't looked into the history of the Democrats, Fascists or Communists...
They have always through history leaned left...more'for the people' than Consevatives have...Communists are all Government controls everything for citizens good...Fascists allowed private property rights, Government controls everything else...
Democrats want more government influence/control over everyday life/decisions...
Democrats in the 30's loved and celebrated the Nazi party...gave them big honors, medals...Nazi party gave Margret Sanger the idea to start Planned Parenthood to control black population, but was about to start the same eugenics program the Nazi's developed to eliminate the infirm, the elderly, the retarded, the deaf, dumb and blind if it hadn't been for WW2...which then made the celebrated Nazi party a pariah...
Thing is, 72 years after WW2, and the defeat of the Democratic parties celebrated Nazi party...nothing has changed with the exception of one giant lie...that the conservatives were the Nazi simpathizers...they never were, and still aren't...
All through US history, Democrats did everything to keep da black man down...they voted against emancipation...they fought desegregation...the KKK was the enforcement arm of the Democrat party on the road...
This is still true today...it is still happening today...
It is one big fucking Democrat lie...
ha, no, shit. welcome to the Sup Forums triggered neo-nazi machine, faggot. go back to the Sup Forums echo chamber and help russia turn other retards into nazis.
>virtue signalling
one of my virtues is defying nazism, I gladly signal that.
read the thread, user, no one is saying that.
Did...did you read the post I was responding to? You/they literally said "Stop acting, think for yourself" in response to me telling you/they that they're retarded for think Nazi's don't hate jews.
>muh world war 2 was good versus evil meme
When you virtue signal virtue signaling.
I replied to the wrong guy, sorry bud.
I quite agree with them. I have some older buddies who were in the punk scene arou d the early 80s when skinhead gangs started popping up. This is what happened around the country at local bars, mainly a lot of punk dive bars
>single skinhead goes to bar, gets a bunch of bad looks
>claims he just wants to order a beer and leave, that they have a certain beer cheaper here, whatever
>eventually it is "come on man, let me stay here and finish my drink. I mean the weather out there is cold"
> skinhead starts saying a few slurs and rude comments after a drink or two, narrowly avoids getting thrown out every week
>each time it is the last time, and they apologize
>claim they have as much right to be here as a paying customer
>then he brings a friend or 2
>two becomes 5 or 6
> they start getting rowdy and try to start fights
>all have to thrown out and banned after several fights
Moral of the story, standing by and letting Nazis be Nazis, they start shit. You have to nip that shit at the bud
a-are you... perchance.. a (dare I say it) radical centrist?
mayhap even... enlightened?
Where does it stop then? The point I'm trying to make is that we can't allow violence against americans practicing their constitutional right to freedom of speech and freedom to protest because you don't agree with them.
yup my only point was to not mix the two, for the guy that blamed something done in paris on the american antifa.
anecdotal
you could say the same fucking shit about any group of people
these intolerant sacks of shit are violently attacking people for their ideology.
wondering who i meant by they?
both sides fit the description. eat a dick.
Cool story, fuck the democrats too.
no worries
true shit, this is exactly how it went down in Copenhagen in the late 80's and early 90's, and why we started Anti-Fascist Action here, and kicked them out of town.
nazi punks fuck off.
Once they start breaking the law like antifa they should be thrown out , yes.
>Where does it stop then?
when the nazi fuckfarts crawl back into whatever cave they came from, and stop harming decent people.
valid point.
>Washington Post
This is why your entire argument is invalid, right from the beginning.
Ah yes, daily stormer, infowars, and breitbart are all un-biased and accurate news sources.
World War 2 had nothing to do with faggy red vs. blue politics. The holocaust wasn't all figured out until after the war. Allied powers got involved for political reasons and frankly the death toll was greater than the number of Jews in Europe at the time. Meaning that had England and France not declared war, and the holocaust was fully brought to fruition you would have saved about 50 million lives over what ended up happening.
Communists are the ones that always preach that "needs of the many" shit. Well there you go.
>and frankly the death toll was greater than the number of Jews in Europe at the time
k den
I work at the georgia state farmers market. No one I know there is literally in the KKK or a nazi but literally anyone of them that is a trump supporter would join a lynch mob in a heart beat. That is a fact.
Hate speech =/= free speech
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I think there is a difference between "Non-whites should be killed/deported" and "Quit being a rascist asshole"
I only heard second hand accounts from the older punks. I'm only 22
This just in, protecting unarmed priests is now a crime
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>literally anyone of them that is a trump supporter would join a lynch mob in a heart beat
why are they like this? What makes them like this?
>"Non-whites should be killed/deported"
no one was preaching this at the rally, otherwise the police would've shut it down.. it was literally a legal protest by citizens enacting their constitutional right to protest.
then a bunch of angry cuntbags of shit decided they'd try to silence via violence and intimidation, the original protesters legal right to protest.
this is all a ploy by the gobbermint anyways, they're seeing if the american people actually give any fucks about their constitutional rights. or if the drugs in the water supply are so effective it even makes them complacent when violent bigots lie, and violently attack those legally enforcing their contitutional right.
>then a bunch of angry cuntbags of shit decided they'd try to silence via violence and intimidation, the original protesters legal right to protest.
the police and the city should be sued under wrongful death suits, for refusing to protect citizens from violent criminals.
>I only heard second hand accounts from the older punks. I'm only 22
I'm 41, was a young teen back then, but I was part if it.. it's history now, but history has an odd way of repeating itself.
I'd be thankful if it didn't, the last thing we need this day and age is white people chimping out and going full nat soc again. It would be the end of humanity as we know it.
ANTIFA are just the fuckers that the NAZI's would not let join... They are butthurt.
>no one was preaching this at the rally
they didn't have to, waving nazi flags and screaming about jews trying to replace them and blood and soil and what not, is plenty.
we know what those things mean
they know that we know
we know that they know that we know
etc
.. and you know too, so stop fucking around with your crypto-apologist bullshit.
Try actually reading what he said, stop assuming he is pro-Nazi by being pro-free speech
Antifa did nothing wrong.