Ultra-nationalism in 21st Century West Europe

Could it work?
How would it happen in the current political climate?
What would be the implications?

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It seems so. It is working in Greece, Hungary, Ukraine, and Slovakia. It is growing in other European nations. Pic related on the steps to Fascism. It seems we are on the path there.

Mosley was pretty good, also bump for interest.

Yes, the foundation stones seem to be set in place, but I'm uncertain as to whether it will simply be another swing from globalist liberal power to nationalist supremacy i.e. the 'left to right swing'.

The dynamics are quite interesting, as Ultra-nationalism originally was reactionary, but this time around a foundation has already been laid for the impending collapse. Well the pendulum swung back due to the rest of the West not wanting to be far-right, and we ended up with the left, but I ask you if we go to the far-right, who is going to bring us back from it?

It's already happening.

Also for anyone who wants some reading here are some non-bias historians on Fascism/Nazism.
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Exactly, nobody can stop it. If the Left tries anything, it will only make it worse.

This is a good point. It seems as if that the foundation that has been laid this time will block the 'pendulum' from being swung back towards the left for quite some time.
Civil resistance has, can and will continue to shape the geopolitical status of many countries, especially in the West, and it's entirely possible that there won't be anyone to bring us back to the leftist ideology if the public is adequately suppressed.
As a footnote I don't condone fascism and ultra-nationalist tendencies, but I've always found how such an ideology is forged out of fire most every time in history.

Yup, we may well see it in the next 20 years, but the number of countries that adopt it this time will be interesting to observe.

Multiculturalism isn't going to come to a peaceful and civilised conclusion.

Fascism is natural, I do have sympathies for it, but I will never say I know best as I never lived in Nazi Germany, Italy, or Greece. Fascism is simply living by the laws of nature, being ruthless towards yourself. Spartans "technically" were the original Fascists, it was a reaction against what they saw as degenerate and weakness in other city states in Greece.

It won't be a World War III, but it will be a civil war on a reasonably grand scale, I feel.

Exactly people believe that we were homogeneous because we couldn't reach other races and cultures, this is incorrect. We were homogeneous do to the fact that once an alien race or culture grew too much we removed it. One of the greatest exodus were Germans from Slavic lands, it was like 11 million people, and that was only a few hundred years ago.

Was democracy the ideology that suppressed fascist tendencies and made them a 'regressive' part of human behaviour? Fascism as a system of government has always been reactionary, but it can exist as a progressive ideology if implemented correctly.

>How would it happen in the current political climate?

The mild version is: electoral victory, political elites accept the inevitable. The nastier version is: police state oppression is used to break up nationalist parties, you see large street demonstrations and vigilante patrols in response, frictions develop between nationalist-controlled local government and globalist-controlled national government, finally ending when things seem so close to chaos that conservative globalists throw in the towel.

>What would be the implications?
In the mild scenario, immigration freeze, deportations of recent arrivals, and forced assimilation or deportations of others. In the extreme scenario, you see massive deportations and/or ethnic hierarchies.

Yes. They saw egalitarian democracy and communism as their enemy, as egalitarianism goes against nature and the general good of the majority. And they were correct in that assumption, egalitarian democracy is killing our nations. Yes the gridlock of Liberals and Conservatives not listening to the people forced them to vote for the most extreme alternative. It is no different now. The Liberals and Conservatives think that the moderate nationalists who want a stop to immigration and multiculturalism won't listen to the people, now if things get worse then that is when you will see some extremist groups in countries you wouldn't have imagined in such.

Taking the 'Calais Jungle' as a case study, this may well be the starting point of some of the mild scenario implications you've mentioned. Forced assimilation would be a difficult prospect for liberal-twisted minds of today to comprehend, but lack of comprehension is sometimes necessary for a change in government to occur.

Same with Golden Dawn and Greeks throwing Molotov and Flares at refugees in there areas. Refugees were stealing from Greeks and police wouldn't do anything, so they put a stop to it.

The emergence of extremist groups is something that has been lacking in 21st Century society. Mosley is a great example in the 20th Century, however, whereby the often considered 'regressive' tendencies (that we've come to consider as fascist) have emerged in the UK, that was effectively a shining beacon of what a Welfare State should be.

We need a revolution maidan style in nuclear European powers, Netherlands and Germany.

Police states are an interesting prospect to consider, even if they are an extreme form of implementing Ultra-nationalist policy.

However, I'm not seeing any countries that could support a police-themed coup, given the lack of funding given to policing in countries that it could happen.

Although people like the Calais scum are going back, of course. Forced assimilation is for second- or third-generation non-natives who would be difficult to send back but cling to their customs, language, etc.

The Orange Revolution in 2004 is perhaps more realistic of how it would work in western European powers, where there would be re-runs for elections etc.

This does provide an incentive for the implementation of a police state in order to encourage the emergence of Ultra-nationalism; non-compliance is often the ultimate form of inspiring new ideology.

No reruns of elections. That wombat made Maidan 2014 useless. Nationalist groups that made Maidan should have claimed President and PM posts.

Yes, re-runs of elections did perhaps bring back democracy that suppressed any Ultra-nationalist 'uprising', and delayed it for over a decade (2004-2014)

Police states are unnecessary with a homogeneous population. The 3rd Reich failed because of its autocratic tendencies.

Essentially you need to have a return to homogeneous ethnic populations with a small minority of expatriates who are heavily vetted - and a fascist government for the first few years to enforce it - and the a return to civil rights and social libertarian ideals in the years after.

Nationalism is impossible in a world with globalist countries.

If any single western country steps out of line the others will be on them impossibly fast.

In many cases the system of that country will be out for them.

It's the minority of these expatriates that draws concerns. Their voice is suppressed to the point of non-existence, and I find myself digging deeper to find out what they say every year.

Globalism is a net which the values of a single country has to break before any real progress can be made.

Western Europe is doomed.

Amen to that.

Its not happening at all. Maybe in the east a little, but western europe? Not a chance at all. If you really believe western europe will become nationalistic again, you need to go outside for once.

Went to Paris via Calais on the Eurostar for a business trip, saw the Jungle first hand. Comparing and contrasting that with the news, you can see many of the foundations of a nationalist government being built.

Most common men could probably be tipped to nationalism very easily if you could show them that they weren't alone in their views.

But inculcating that belief is what the media is for.

Where can we send bitcoins to fund and assist with senseless ddosing online to help this movement a shit load more? I can't fucking take the PC shit I want to fuck die, I got a master's great life. I can't stand PC I literally am writing on the side making $45,000 a year mostly essays for undergrads (ultimate way to fuck saying to fucking liberals is to do that). Then I go to a job application everyone from North Africa, Middle Eastern, or Europe but not Russia is white. Like what the fuck? How can I work for a company that puts Jews and Muslims on the same plate?

Wish I knew how to fund such a movement myself, pal, but I have no idea.

WHICH websites can we ddos on the internet that would at least shut up the zionist and pc sjw faggotry for like an hour or so?

Can we agree on one site? Der Speigel? super liberal don't think they cloudflare.

Too many of them to be honest, dude

>Ultra-nationalism originally was reactionary

Nationalism and fascism were both revolutionary mass movements. A product of the "fraternity" aspect of the French Revolution. The state as one big unified force. Our concept of nationalism didn't even exist before the Enlightenment, and fascism arose as a result of WW1 and the failure of liberal-capitalism.

Ya, I don't believe so.

I imply my big dick in to shut your fucking mouth.

Highly unlikely, fascism or extreme nationalism grew only in countries touched by extreme poverty, and current central-east europe is far from it (with exception of countries in south-east europe aswell as ukraine&bellarus)
Its all about desperation. The more society desperate becomes, the more it is willing to follow extreme ideologies (fascism, communism).
There are also certain other aspects that stimulate grew of fascism, mainly cultural ones - nations with weak feeling of ethnical identity are more likely to succumb into extreme nationalism than those with strong identity - for instance fascism never grew in england or france even though conditions for this were optimal there (it didnt grew in poland aswell, even though country was a complete ruined shitthole filled with poverty and famine after WWI)

Its against globalist economy.
Everything that is fails:
Natonalism
Socialism
Fight against golbal warming.
Globalist economy must be destroyed first.