Why is this the mentality men have in today's world?

Why is this the mentality men have in today's world?

Is it more important to be employed, rather than finding a career you enjoy?

Finding a career you enjoy can be hard

That's not the mentality most people have.

Surely it's "inconsistent with those beliefs" if you stop looking for something you value over factory shift work. This makes zero sense, and it sounds like another Laboeuf JUST DO IT may-may.

This guy walks the line between Man and Cuck on this issue. On one hand you shouldn't take shit from nobody, should work towards what you want, and shouldn't put up with bullshit just to have 'a job'.

On the other hand, he's right that just getting out there, getting a job, making money and contributing to society instead of being a parasite is an admirable goal in itself.

I like eating more than thinking about clocking out at 5 every friday.

Some people *do* value almost any employment over engaging in the things that might only possibly lead to working in a career they might enjoy more.

Most people don't know what they'd actually enjoy to begin with.

Normal men realize you gotta earn a living or you will be out on your ass in the street.

>On one hand you shouldn't take shit from nobody
What does that mean?

>sounds kind of like this, to me.

men don't have that mentality
theyre universally lazy

Just because you enjoy something doesn't mean it will pay the bills

we aren't a slave caste society that views people as disposable insects like china

Yes goy, get the first dead end job you see, work long hours, keep to a shit job that pays nothing and will get outsourced in the next decade.

What does that have to do with "taking shit"?
You "take shit" from the IRS every paycheck.

Correction - you're a leaf. CRA I think.

What's the alternative though?

Sleeping on the streets?

well someone have to do the job no one wants to do

Emigrate, you sappy fuck. Jobs in the UK are bullshit.

It means that if you get a job doing labor and your boss expects you to break safety regulations to save time you walk on the job

I did that once when I was in a machine shop, I wasn't going to use industrial chemicals without a new filter for my mask.

Most people in the world don't have that mentality. White people didn't until the 40's. Basically, because the Baby Boomers have a fucking huge pension and own 80% of the property in the West, they don't give a single fuck about family because they don't need them. So they kick their children out at 18 and sell all their property so they can go on meaningless cruises leaving nothing for the kids. This has just carried on and on. Now, its unthinkable for a kid to expect their parents to save up for college for them. Meanwhile, the Muslims and Chinese are taking over and doing better in school because their parents actually give a fuck.

You can live with relatives and do their housework. Most people don't think that's a bad arrangement, unless you're an intolerable cunt to live with.

And do what? A bullshit job in a different country?

work is the only thing I can do that validates my existence as a human

You can walk on jobs in China too.
Not many places in the world are people physically threatened to work for someone else.

>a tripfag
>and a brit

you trans too? i'm looking for a hat trick here.

The mentality of men is to produce. The romantic ideal of having a perfect career you love is a fairy tale, it's not going to happen. On the other hand, making money any way you can, the more honestly the better, is going to give you the capital you need to enrich your life beyond day to day time wasting, degenerate, consumption based pleasures that don't amount to shit in the long run.

His point is, being a man, you're expected to produce and you will only be happy when you're producing. As you produce and save and improve your lot in life, you open doors and options you didn't have when you were holding out for that fantasy career you wanted to believe existed.

I've worked my entire life. I'm 36 now, started working, making change at a video game arcade at age 14. I joined the Army when I turned 18 and used that experience to land myself a job doing building maintenance. Since then I've expanded my skills and am now a maintenance director for the building I work at. You know what my "dream job" was when I was a kid? ...a video game designer. Do I still dream of doing that? Sure. But obviously if I'm not doing it now, it wasn't a dream I wanted bad enough to go make real.

These days, I own my house mortgage free, have no debt, and have a variety of hobbies and toys I've earned through honest, fairly easy, work. Maybe I'll make that video game I dream of someday, but until then, at least I'm building a life and finding happiness.

Maybe if you hold out you will get that dream career, maybe you won't, the key is that working at a random job for a fair wage isn't going to kill you while you continue to pursue your dream career.

>get TEFL degree
>teach english to chinkshits and poopeople
>earn dosh + free travel + fuck the natives

redpill as you go and liberate the cucked east

depends what qualifications you have. go teach in thailand or vietnam or something? work 18 hours a week, party every day. You won't save money, but...fuck it. You're not gonna do that in the UK either, and at least you'll have teaching experience.

FOR YOU

>surely chasing dreams and pleasure will make me happy
~every miserable person ever

>His point is, being a man, you're expected to produce and you will only be happy when you're producing
You think fulfilling other people's expectations will make you happy? That's pretty fucking retarded senpai.

In china you either work or starve in a lot of places, don't kid yourself otherwise.

>Not many places in the world are people physically threatened to work for someone else

That isn't the point you faggot, the point is you don't put yourself at expense for work to the extent it could cost you your life.

Normal white men, niggers and spics get handouts because more melanin.

who wants to fucking live in Vietnam or Thailand lol

i used to like his tv show. now he just seems like a corporate shill trying to sell the slave mentality to the masses. sure you have to be realistic but you still have to look out for number one. the goal of any employer is to get as much work out of you for as little money as possible. don't be a chump!

>a TV host saying you shouldn't spend a long time building a career doing something you like
So I guess he just showed up at a local coal mine one day and worked his way up to hosting a show on Discovery Channel from there.

Good goy the thread.

my nigga here gets it. last job I had in Beijing paid me 2 grand a month, and I didn't have to pay rent, or food or travel at all.

Just walking around money. I saved more than some people in the UK make.

Sure you do. Every single thing you do involves risk of death. Getting in your car, walking across the street, getting in an elevator - all of it. You could die at any moment for any reason.

>Is it more important to make payments on the bills and keep a wife happy rather than finding a career you enjoy?

Fuck you Hippie.

>implying you have to stay there for more than a few months
>implying it's not a thinly veiled cover for sex tourism paid for by the EU

Use the cucks own power against them my friend. It is the only way.

Spraying corrosive gas on rusty metal without changing your mask filter to say five minutes can be avoided though, can't it?

What point are you even trying to make?

Noice

It's not about fulfilling others expectations, my point is that society expects you to produce and will not coddle you, as a man, in the same way it coddles it's women. Basically, you're going to sink or swim on your own efforts, no-one except maybe your mother will wipe your tears when you fail.

As for happiness, producing is a source of happiness. It is an end to itself. Don't do it for society, just know that society expects you to take care of yourself, and then do it for yourself because fuck society, they won't help you anyway.

>Is it more important to make your bills and keep the lady happy, rather than finding a career you enjoy?

Yes.

If you do something for a living, then you're not supposed to enjoy it. Work=Career, and there is no such thing as a "perfect" career.

Because fundementally you should get through the day with money in your pocket and food on the table; you can go to night school and decide then where you want to go.

But no one in their right mind would employ a 20 something, living with his mum with no history of work.

You can avoid death by car wreck by not getting in a car too. The obvious point being you're making a non-point in trying to say "it's different for them cuz they don't have a choice" when they DO have a choice - their choices are just shittier by your assessment.

t. literally the farthest away from feminism one could possibly be

Nobody cares?
>producing is a source of happiness
So that's why everyone loves working right?

This. Work is fundamentally something you are programmed to hate. Even if your hobby becomes your work, you're still gonna hate it because it restricts your lifestyle.

Got the first job I could as a labourer and moved on to being a heavy plant operator. Would not recommend/10. Left and got into what I had a passion for.

Get a fucking degree and do what you love, provided it ain't a stupid fucking thing like art, music, womyns studies or any other shite like that

Only good post in this thread everony show disagrees is shit.

Oh I'm making a non point?

If you grew up in a Chinese slum your work options are extremely narrow, you could work in any number of plants around you but all of them have people dropping dead from safety violations daily.
You could work say, at a local store but the robbery rates are also extremely high.

Assuming you are a white western man, you have a wide array of options, and I'm not even pulling leftist shit.
I've worked in various restaurants, fast food places, landscaping, and machine/workshops.

In china you could choose not to work in these bad palces if you were poor, but then what exactly are your options?

Saying "oh you might die in a car crash or get hit by lighting" is a fucking moot point if I've ever heard one, you could stop breathing and die so why don't you faggot?

This is the mentality men USED to have in this world. Your view on it is what is flawed

Because I wasn't raised with any values or information.

I learned everything from video games, public school systems, young adult novels, and the internet.

I'm getting to the point where I'm just going to sign up for the military and perhaps get lucky enough to die saving some cuck's life on the battlefield.

>mfw all the video games I played set me up to fight like a good goy in the military

Im curious, what do you do for a living?

Stay a neet then. I don't really care.

You want a nice story? This is 100% true BTW. My job is facility maintenance for healthcare. I met a guy just last month. He's 42. He's a neet. He still lives in his moms basement. He plays vidya games, and probably posts on boards like this one. This guy has had 2 heart attacks, a stroke, and a bypass surgery.

I talked with him for a while, because despite being a working man, I enjoy stuff like video games still. We talked a little about GoT, 40K, and some video games. I realized quickly that he was terribly depressed and unhappy with his life. He cried a little when he talked about how he is probably bed ridden now. I felt bad for him, but he chose his life.

This guy gets it

This is why you fucks don't pay debts. You can learn to enjoy aspects of work, whatever it might be. But I always forget that this board is full of lazy fat fucks who don't understand hard work if it's not grinding in some rpg.

Actually, that's not the viewpoint that many men in the West have. They have what you think they have, a desire for fantasy land (the perfect job). Now while that is possible for the special few, most guys need to man up and just get a job and become self-sufficient.

He didn't say it was admirable goal. He didn't say anything about society. And most jobs are useless or make society worse off than the previous year.

Only if you have a family to take care of. If you're a single man with no kids, go do whatever you love but if you're struggling to take care of your family, you better get off your ass and not allow the government to sustain you.

>the mentality of men is to produce

No, that's the mentality of a cuck. The mentality of men is to create and invent.

>work a shit job goy
>come in early and stay late to make lots of extra sheckles for you boss
>don't worry about being happy goy just work
>don't do what you like do what is best for Isreal
T. Judism incarnate

I'm 25 at have just hit the point where I've started to realize this. You can't really explain this to someone who hasn't "clicked" yet.

But yeah, my life feels a lot better when I am busting my ass for at least a part of the day. It also makes relaxing in the evenings more rewarding, since it feels like I've "earned" it.

I've talked with a bunch of old guys about this, and they all say the felt compelled to work, even after retiring. You just feel like a bum without it. On weekends, if I have nothing to do for a chunk of the day, I'll do something like clean my apartment just to stay busy.

And I think even men who are lazy as fuck still understand this on some level. If they're not working, or studying their ass off, or doing anything productive, they'll start to obsess about their recreational activities and how rigorous and productive they are. They'll start to fuss about avoiding things that "rot your brain", like the Simpsons, and will fetishize their own forms of leisure, watching things like documentaries and other "serious" shows. It's like the work drive will find some way to manifest itself, even if your not working.

how do you work a wagecuck job and not kill yourself

serious replies only please

Literally impossible

>life in other places sucks
>therefore
Therefore......?

i did it today, fucking sucked family. i miss NEET life every second i work.

because there are no jobs left. all thats left is working at ghetto check cashing places and gas stations. AKA, places you have a 50/50 chance of not coming home alive after your shift.

>GET A JOB LOSER!
need experience to get the job
>GO GET EXPERIENCE THEN!
All the jobs that give experience need experience to get.
>STOP IT WITH ALL THESE EXCUSES! YOURE JUST LAZY!
I've applied for my career path for over a year and studied for over 4 years to get a degree in said career.
>YOU CHOSE A POINTLESS CAREER YOU FAGGOT

Welp. Guess im fucked. Might as well get a job that is soul sucking and hope some nigger puts some lead through my head to get me out of this hell hole of a world. All this and I'm in a FIRST world country. Imagine what indians have to go through, other than the 10 miles of poo on the road to even apply for jobs that pay 10cents per hour.

Why is Mike Rowe so based?

Finding a career you enjoy.

My father worked a job he hated for all his life and he's just, blank, monotone. Almost all the time.

No thanks.

Welp. I look forward to the daily commute crammed like sardines, being pushed around by a grouchy old bitch for 8 hours, then repeating the sardine trip back to my palace where I can pretend I'm still a neet.

Go rural, find your niche to live off of, have a family of your own, raise yoir children

Life has become one big ponzi scheme after another, user needs to distance himself from those and focus on his family and local community, working the land also does wonders

You're all fucking pathetic and/or reading into this too much. He's talking about millennial faggots who refuse to work anything other than fast food jobs or stay at home with their parents because they can't find the job they like.
He's literally saying stop fucking around and get a job. That's it. Stop worrying about finding a job that'll make you happy, and just find fucking work in the meantime.

I don't know why this thread has so many replies, it's fucking embarrassing.

Nice story. Here's mine. My grandfather worked his whole life in factory and died shortly after reaching retirement. We barely had enough money to burry him. My second greandfather worked his whole life on his farm and drinked to forget how miserable he was. When he died he left only debts. My father for his whole life was a lazy bum and he is still living better than i do working my ass off. Life isn't fair.

>And most jobs are useless or make society worse off than the previous year.
Give me an example. If a job was useless, i.e. produced no economic value, then it would not exist.

Truly the goodest goy.

Maybe for you. I get to fly planes and kill hajis. Love my job

Because this whole thread is a Jewish experiment to give a kick up the ass to anyone who doesn't have a job but is lurking this thread.

You think we're reading into it too much? You're not reading into it enough.

Any work experience at all is better than being none, plus if you do get a job you like you have people that can say you're a damn good worker.

Considering how many of us are unemployed, any employment is better than none.

Because if you tell your kids that they should only work jobs that they enjoy, then they become entitled little degenerate shits who major in dance therapy and want a 6 figure job right out of college.

“You’re talking about the American dream. You find something that you love and then you twist and you torture it, try to find a way to make money at it. You spend a lifetime doing that and at the end you can’t find a trace of what you started out loving.”

I don't like the guy but technically that quote is correct.

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I own a small thrift store in Colorado. Ask me anything.

Is it profitable?

Do you call your plane "Bert" by any chance?

It pays the bill if thats what you are asking. People just want to get rid of shit and I oblige by them donating stuff and reselling it. It profits well.

How do you know you enjoy your "career" if you haven't done it yet?

Sorry Charlie bit not everyone is entitled to making stacks doing exactly what they want, and work isn't supposed to be fun.

Ditto.jpg

Yes, because DA JOOS would much rather have independent taxpayers than NEETs who are dependent on the government teat. I mean, you have so much less control over someone who has to directly do whatever you say to get their welfare check.

I never knew this guy was this big an idiot. He's basically telling people to settle and that a career can't equal happiness.

Nothing Mike Rowe said was incorrect.

He is trying to motivate you because he knows things are shit. He is absolutely correct.

Because this worked in the 60s, when you could buy a house with 2 years clerk's salary. This worked in the 80s, when franchises were popping up everywhere and people with a bachelors degree were in high demand.

Then however. The effects of trickle-down Reaganomics took effect together with baby boomer population explosion and a total sell out of US education.

The simple truth is that there are too many people with similar qualifications and due to even women flooding the work force, the employers dictate the terms of employment, thanks to syndicates and unions being considered "socialist".

Welcome to the post 9/11 world, where niggers are to blame for all the problems in the US.

If people only worked careers they legitimately enjoyed then we would be deficient in objectively undesirable jobs like trash collecting or being a tax attorney. We incentivize undesirable positions by offering more money in hopes that the wage compensates for the undesirability.

If people just did what they wanted to do, nobody would do anything.

I have worked like 2 years of my life and I am 28.

I dont give a shit who I am leeching off, I have no love for anyone but myself and my partner. We were both on benefits until my SO got a once in a lifetime job opportunity out of nowhere for a comfortable 2.4k/month.

Since we both agreed beforehand if one of us got a job the other was not obligated to I get to play video games / exercise all day, live in a pretty decent house (which half of gets paid for) and since we are gay (tried to avoid bringing genders in to this, but it became relevant) we will never have kids so our lives are being lived solely for us.

I actually feel so fucking lucky too, I bring in more than my miserable friends selling a few paintings and collecting benefits, I do not have to put up with annoying as shit females and my best friend is also my lover. Seriously guys going gay is the ultimate red pill, if I was straight my quality of life would be 100% worse, probably would be on /r9k/ or some shit.

>be from an affluent family
>end up as reality tv star doing "bad" jobs for a few hours
>try to pass off as a hard working blue collar
>tell goy to work shitty jobs at their hardest for shit pay and be happy about it

Guess what ethnicity he is?