Do you believe in God? Do you believe that Jesus was the Christ? Why or why not? Serious replies only please

Do you believe in God? Do you believe that Jesus was the Christ? Why or why not? Serious replies only please.

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No. Christ was just a nice guy trying to teach peach and tranquility to a country full of hate. They hated his teachings so much they killed him.

Now look at the civilizations that existed before christ. We created far greater things until people found Jesus, after that, things went downhill for society.

You're fucking retarded if you think that's what happened

>calls me retarded
>doesn't use any facts for the argument
I'm confused about your statement. Please clarify

I believe the only God is existence.
>and I don't believe it because it's not something you can believe, you can only think it exists
>because you can't die and come back
>not really anyways

Jesus was a gay nigger with a foot fetish

No, because no.

no to both

because those claiming it have not met their burden of proof

Jesus is a mushroom.

I think that a God does exist.
We just can't anderstand God.
Sience got to the Big Bang theory that the universe was created by a singularity explosion but they cant go any earlier.
Something cant come from nothing, so how did that singularity exist (if that's the real source of the cosmos) ?
Maybe God is the one that was before this singularity that exploaded. Humans can't really understand all the things about the universe, but it's fun philosophizing

The body of christ

so what created god?

You're all going to burn in hell if you don't believe in Jesus as your savior

The blood of christ

I believe in God (enough to capitalize it's spelling) but I don't believe in Christ as a redeemer. A philosopher sure, and a good one, but not a savior. Personally I'm a sun worshiper. You don't have to prove the existence of the sun.

Sugar, spice, and everything nice

you see, that's my point.
something cannot come from nothing, but we are all here.
That which was from the "begining" of time is God
shit maybe God is time we will never know

Which God are you talking about, OP? So many to choose from, so little time.

"I believe in One God. But then I believe in three. I'd believe in any god if they'd believe in me."
– Leonard Bernstein, MASS

so something cannot come from nothing, except god?

Nope, Chuck Testa

Not a nigger per se. More of a semite born out of wedlock.

God is an abstract thing, don't think of it as a person.
Since we cannot understand how the cosmos and time and all the matter in the universe was created, i don't think we will ever be able to understand what God is.
I believe God is the begining of everything, whatever that might be (again not a person)

I believe in Azatoth.

You mean the proposed 200+ "gods" that are supposed to exist? I do not believe, they never existed and never will.

Believing something that has no actual evidense is stupid and dangerous, I feel it is a waste of my time to fill my time thinking of nonproven theorys.

There is zero evidence of god. There is only evidence of jesus being a man with no divine powers. It was only at the council of Nicaea where they stated jesus was divine, which occured in 325ad.

My point is that your dogma is based on lies.

This is why I remain strongly agnostic.

I see atheists always questioning themselves on the god or no god topic. I don't really see the need to humor it since these people will always jump from one bandwagon to the next for whatever is on that days agenda and how depressed they feel that day.

that's not what people calle "god" though

jesus is a made up story spread by jews to make the west docile

the most likely thing is that we are some kind of cosmic accident. it would be nice if there was a god, but it would be nice if there were also magical powers and fairies and leprechauns. all of this stuff is just made up, though.

>"I see atheists always questioning themselves on the god or no god topic."

Sure you do, buddy. Sure you do...

It's futile so I don't.

people dont over analize and think much. Jesus was a person, Muhamad was a person, Budha was a person. God is something more than a person/human.
You have to ask yourself how did the universe came to be?
Sinence: that's easy the big bang
you: how did that happen
Sience: Singularity explosion
you: how was the singularity created

Then you follow question path and the begining i think is God

you sound stupid and very poorly educated

I agree and that is actually what happened. Jesus was really a Buddahist who couldnt let his ego go.

no you don't
when the answer is "we don't know", then the answer is "we don't know". If you "begin thinking it is god", it's called "making shit up"

well thats what a Theory is... it's made up shit that seem plausible

that's a Theory

>Do you believe in God?
I'm a deist.
>Do you believe that Jesus was the Christ?
No.
>Why or why not?
Theists arguments never convinced me.

The singularity comes from a monster black hole that finally ate the last bit of matter in the universe and then exploded in to the big bang, time is circular, space expands and contracts

>monster black hole
how did that monster black hole came to be?
>posible from a previous universe?
and how did that came to be?
there has to be starting moment to all of this

I believe he was also a magician, that's how he could turn water into wine

Honestly? I don't know. I've been on the fence with this for a long time. I kind of want to believe. But arguements on both sides are compelling as fuck. I delve into the occult as well so on the Christian side of things I'm not just looking at scripture blindly or whatever. I look at deeper meanings of things, and what's happening with other religions and faiths and their deeper meanings. And everything connects to Christianity in a big way. Like everything seems to be circulating around certain concepts put forth in the Biblical texts and they wouldn't really have any relevance if they were put forth in any way other than that which they were in the Bible.

nop
wrong again, that's not what a theory is

enlighten us then

I think he's talking about when the blonde haired blue eyed romans basically wiped out lots of the dark skinned people's of the east and held dominion over their lands, enslaving the rest kek

You need to update your theories as big crunch is no longer the accepted model. Current models show the universe will continue to expand until the big chill.

God is only for weak people who can't accept theyre not special at all that's fact.

Someone watched Man from the Earth one too many times

a theory has evidence to support it
your is more like... a baseless opinion, not even a hypothesis

A sand socialist jew nigger, no difference in believing or not, if i was religious i would be with the greek and norsk gods

that was a theory
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory#Philosophical_theories

>Do you believe in God?
I do not believe in anything that I would call a god, no.
>Do you believe that Jesus was the Christ?
If by that you mean that Jesus was somehow divine, no.
>Why or why not?
No good reason to.

>Do you believe in God?
There is too much information and facts that disproves the presence of an omnipotent God like being.
But there is also too much shit that science can't really explain (yet).
>Do you believe that Jesus was the Christ?
I think Jesus was a glorified hippy. Some dude just trying his darnest to be as nice as possible.

So, to sum it up, I don't know.

>I think that a God does exist.
>We just can't understand God.

We can't understand God because to understand God we'd have to be able to see objectively. And we can't see objectively because to see objectively we would have to be able to see and know everything at the same time. Everything that ever was, is, and will be. Objective understanding can only truly be gained by omniscience. God is the only one who can understand God because God is infinite and we are finite.

Human minds are subjective by nature. We see things from individual perspectives. Always have, always will. Your world is different to my world, and the same goes for everybody on the face of the Earth.

Also, we literally do not have the capacity to be able to know everything. This is evident from the fact that, the more we know, the more questions we have. We have limitations. And those limitations mean that we can never understand God. We can know him perhaps. But not understand. Not fully anyway.

There's a theory that God is pure consciousness that discovered itself through some form of gradual self-development, and that it created us in its image, his children / its children, in order to network with us, so it / he can better understand itself. And that's why the Bible preaches love and familial bonds with God, because our purpose is to help God understand himself through his connection with us. Us being individual units of the infinite consciousness that is God.

And no, that doesn't mean that we are God, we are just parts of God.

Completly agree.
You just explainned in 1 post what i couldn't with my3-4 text wall posts

An argument for the existence of a God. Specifically the God of the bible. No where did God say that He wouldn't provide proof of His existence. He has actually provided said proof to an unbelieving world. Only thing you need is faith that Jesus is His son to get saved.

have you ever seen a "consciousness" without a brain?

> He has actually provided said proof to an unbelieving world.
Okay, what is it?

It depends on what you mean by "God." Until people have a practical explanation for the creation of the universe that ventures beyond a comical chicken and egg conversation, then religious people have just as much validity as scientific people.

Personally, I don't think about it that much. I just live my life and try to be a good person, even to people who don't deserve my kindness.

I can live without "believing in God," whatever that means. But being honest, I've met some preachy atheists who are far more annoying than any bible salesman or street preacher I've ever met.

Well, from a purely materialistic point of view yes, something can't come from nothing. But this is the realm of the spirit we're talking about. And technically speaking, God isn't a material being. He's a higher life-form. Pure spirit. Consciousness.

Pure spirit of consciousness is nothing. Even quantum physics is beginning to suggest that consciousness is what holds everything together, but consciousness isn't measurable, it's literally nothing. So even science is beginning to indicate that yes, something can come from nothing. In terms of spirit into matter.

Have you ever seen a brain with a consciousness?

You sound like those retarded Pagans on Sup Forums

Haha that makes me happy. :)

Yes, all you have to do is watch the fight between Mayweather and McGregor tonight and you'll see two.

i don't know anything on this matter yet but
if that's true, we are living in exciting times.
To sientificaly prove the connection of the material and the immaterial, oh the possibilities it will open!!

Ok I'll give you one example.

There was an experiment carried out called the double slit experiment and basically it suggests that the behavour of the world around us on a subatomic level changes when we observe it, which suggests that the world is also observing us in some manner. Look it up. There should be some videos about it on YouTube.

Oops sorry,

>that kids is called jumping the gun
Thought I typed it out.

Despite what we may personally feel about them, the fact that the Jews are still around is a powerful indicator that not all is what it seems.

Think about a sec before responding to this post.

We have archaeological evidence of Jews in the Holy Land around the same time the Greeks were at the peak of their power. No other group of people have been hounded and scattered, and had pogroms carried out against them. No other nation has been reborn out of antiquity either. Think about that, in less then a week, a nation was reborn AFTER two thousand years of nothing. A language that was dead came to life again.

Two of their wars since they became a nation has been against superior forces. Won both in less then a week. Against great odds.

God said He would use the Jewish nation to show the world He's real.

>Do you believe in God?
..... No

>Do you believe that Jesus was the Christ?
..... insofar as he was (almost certainly a real historical person, who possibly:
..... had a genealogical right to be "anointed" (with "chrism"/myrrh) as the "King of the Jews";

and probably:
..... was legally identified as such by the "crown of thorns" and "INRI" inscription placed above his head when he was crucified.

> Why or why not?
..... I believe that Jesus the Nazarene existed as a historical figure, because there is sufficient historical evidence to make that a plausible assumption.

..... I do not believe that an omniscient/omnipotent "God" ( as portrayed by the major "religions" )exists as a real entity, because there is insufficient evidence to make it ( in any way ) a plausible assumption.

That's not what the double slit experiment means.

You're taking science out of context to construct a bunch of woo.

None of that proves that a god exists.

Interesting strategy you're posing as a theist and sounding retarded to discredit them.

>Japanese ?

>double slit experiment
that was on my "To Do" list, i guess i'll move it to the top of my priorities.
I know some stuff about Quantom mechanics and that quantoms can transfer information through the universe instantaneously no matter the distance
thanks for the info pal

That's not proof of his existence, that's just you reaching, hard.

Now we see this as real, but there are those who would say "it was because of this, not some invisible bearded magic sky man".
Ethnic groups have been attacked throughout history. But only the Jew has been hounded as bad throughout history. We have proof that ethnic groups have been wiped out. So we know it's not that hard to cause extinction of a particular group of people. But it's been impossible to wipe out the Jews.

>retarded
i have to disagree
maybe you just didn't understand what i was explaining.
And no not squinty eyed

In the OT, this is what God said He would do. He would elevate the nation of Israel to show His presence. It isn't reaching when I'm stating this is what it says. Try again.

Ok so basically, Jews worship the planet saturn (so do Muslims, ironically, one of the principle symbols that represent Saturn is the black cube, which both judaism and islam reveres one way or another.)

Saturn typically represents these concepts / principles in life:

Domination
Authority
Transition
Obstinate
Slower Pace
Methodical
Time
Death
Construction
Labor
Stability
Long Study
Observation
Unrevealed Power

This is why the Jews have always been forcibly removed from nations and exiled as a people. Because their worship of this planet under many of its different guises (Rephan / Molech / Satan being three of them, the Bible even calls this false Jewish religion the synagogue of Satan). One of the typical practices of these dark occultic religion is human sacrifices. This is done via many different ways, individual sacrifices on alters / pyres. Or larger sacrifices done by way or manipulation into war on specific dates, offering the killed soldiers up to their God in reverence.

Sound familiar? It should. This is why in present-day world, Jewish bankers finance both sides of wars and manipulate them into being. They are doing so to sacrifice to their God, in the hope that they will be rewarded for their deeds by way of spiritual aid in their agenda, which is outright domination.

This is /b. Home of atheists and psychos and atheistic psychos. Consider that the atheists here are the kind and intelligent ones, and that should give you an idea of the kind of "believers" that like this place. They're not the "gentle Jesus meek and mild" christfags, they're the child-raping, blood rite, two-swords through the desert, soldier of god christfags, that ruin Christianity for everyone else. Why would you want to engage them? No one else in the world does. That's why they're here.

God supposedly said He would do this. It happened, Israel is a nation again.

>you're reaching, grasping at straws.

Hahahaha

Also, just for the record. I'm not saying all jews are bad people, that they're all part of this. All I know is that this exists, and it has for thousands of years, and it's one of the big reasons as to why they've always been hated. There are good jews and bad jews. And even the Bible itself warns us of these jews who departed from the faith and took up the symbols and traditions of their false Gods.

P.S. - The star of David or the hexagram has absolutely nothing to do with God or true judaism as some will have you believe It's another symbol attributed to Saturn. The Bible refers to it as the star of Rephan or Remphan, who is their god Molech / Moloch, who is Satan.

>God supposedly said He would do this. It happened, Israel is a nation again.
Israel has always been there, under different rules. It proves nothing.

First thing to know about Quantum mechanics is how its spelled

>God supposedly said He would do this. It happened, Israel is a nation again.
Right, but you haven't shown that a god exists that actually did it. Your argument is basically "X was predicted, X was unlikely, X happened, therefore God". That isn't a sound argument.

Nice blood libel ya got there man.

Allah is a pagan moon god. Lrn2history before engaging your blow hole.

Let's go further and assume that two thousand years ago, Jesus was telling the truth about who he was, and that he is the son of God. If he is, then that means the Jewish religion as it stands now, is a false religion now. Not replaced, but clarified into what it was supposed to be but fucked up because of fallen man. When the time of the end comes, many of those Jews will be cut off because they will still refuse to acknowledge Jesus as their long awaited Messiah. Which, according to the OT prophets was supposed to happen. Many Jews nowadays aren't taught that when messiah comes, he will be rejected by his people..

You think otherwise?

if god exist then I won't post this, and you're not reading it.

>Israel has always been there.

Citations please. You need to clarify your statement and back up your claim

You need citations to know that the land of what is Israel has always been there?

Unless He were to come down and bitch slap you personally, nothing I say or do would convince you otherwise. Not even to toy with the idea.

Name one other ancient nation that was destroyed and has been reconstituted today, against a far more superior force with only minimal outside aid. Name another people that has been hounded as hard as the Jews.

>Something cant come from nothing
How do you know there was "nothing" before this?
How do you know something couldn't come from nothing in that moment?

Because clearly there is something now, and yet whether an imbalance of physical constants set it in motion, or a god destabilized those physical constants and tripped the trigger of creation, the act of everything in creation can be tracked back to the first millionth of a second of this universes existence.

The nature of nature changed so many times in the following millionths of a second and first epoch, each phase resembling nothing like our universe today, that imagining conclusions about that first millionth of a second, or conditions and events of that time or before, is only done not only without any data, but is spitballing with only an irrelevant perspective.

Who says there was nothing?
Is potential energy nothing?
Is potential FOR energy nothing?

No you need to clarify how is it that it's always been a Jewish nation. You're talking geography, I'm talking peoples and nations.

>no shit the land has been there. It's not like we dug it out and put it into the Himalayas.

But a Jewish nation has not always been there

>Unless He were to come down and bitch slap you personally, nothing I say or do would convince you otherwise.
A sound argument would, but I don't think you can make it.
>Name one other ancient nation that was destroyed and has been reconstituted today, against a far more superior force with only minimal outside aid. Name another people that has been hounded as hard as the Jews.
I don't need to. What you need to do is show that it cannot happen without a god.

I don't believe in God. Christ was high on meth 24/7 and started a religion off of human ignorance.

yes

>checked

calm down deepak, that's absolutely not what the double slit experiment "suggests"

>Name one other ancient nation that was destroyed and has been reconstituted today, against a far more superior force with only minimal outside aid. Name another people that has been hounded as hard as the Jews.
Tell me something, do you know the time period that this happened in? Where the nation of Israel was destroyed and rebuilt? Also, where did you get this info? Legitimately curious.

>No you need to clarify how is it that it's always been a Jewish nation. You're talking geography, I'm talking peoples and nations.
Alright, let me ask something else first, why this place in specific? What makes this such a special place for God?

>How do you know there was "nothing" before this?
we can't know, we are just having a conversation, maybe even sience will never know
do you mean that there always was matter and energy in the universe?
there has to be a start, a moment zero

how do you think all of this started?
i mean the start of time, all time, not just this universe.