Alexander- Homosexuality in Ancient Greece

> Gays shouldn't be allowed in the military

How does it feel knowing that a tremendous faggot was able to lead a massive army and conquer all this land.

How is it that a Homosexual was able to do more in his life than any of us will ever do?

While no one will remember us or care, the name of a huge faggot will be remembered and so will hsi empire.

I guess it's no question that gays can make excellent soldiers. Since homosexuality was rampent in Ancient Greece, even the greatest warriors in human history, The Spartan's, practiced homosexuality.

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Pretty sure the guy fucked whatever he wanted

He had 3 wives, and 7 mistresses including many male sexual partners including one of his childhood friends.

Sex was glorified back then no matter who it was between.

fucking men in the ass doesn't automatically make you a homosexual you dumb ignorant

You're using a once-in-a-millennia human being as the base of your argument.

The idea is, that having openly gay soldiers would lead to relationships between comrades, and complications.

It's nothing to do with morals. It's everything to do with adding more variables to a situation.

On a side note, I'd much rather have huge homos running around me than women, because huge homos can still carry shit and fight a 6'3 enemy combatant hand-to-hand.

>fucking men in the ass doesn't automatically make you a homosexual

Sounds like I was right!

OMNISEXUAL

True. Even if they are gay, they don't lack the strength and power like female soldiers.

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>first openly gay US army secretary
>so tolerant, so progressive

>How is it that a Homosexual was able to do more in his life than any of us will ever do?
They are not bound by the vaginal jew so it's expected.
Why do you think jews started emasculating them through propaganda? Because SA was leaded by gay man who gave higher positions for his sweethearts. So they also had to tell the future gays that those evil Nazis gassed homosexuals too so they will never take part in any group like that ever again and future Nazis wouldn't accept them either. A few are redpilled and start discovering their destiny as leaders, like Michael Kühnen.

Nero was a colossal faggot. He made boys dress up in his dead wife's clothes and fuck them in the bum bum

Sometimes similar leaders come up. Jörg Haider was the leader of Austrian Freedom Party, which was considered right-wing populist and dangerous for Europe that time. The party also had nickname "Haiders Buberlpartie"(Haider's Boy Party) because he had some weird homoerotic cult around him among young men who were fascinated by his persona. But he was married, however after his death his successor Stefan Petzner revealed that he and Haider had "very special relationship" that went beyond friendship. Haider was his Lebensmensch(beloved) and he was Haider's bp while he was fucking his wife as well. The true alpha life.

Was he gay? Probably not despite he died when he was driving home from gay bar but nevertheless he managed to seduce young men to go right-wing.

Have you SEEN jörg haiders wife? Id go gay rather than fucking that too.

all world leaders are homosexual, to this day and since the dawn of time

oh shit, it's the European Michelle Obama

>he had some weird homoerotic cult around him among young men

just like the Brown Shirts

Kek

WE WUZ ALEXANDER AND SHIET

She also knew about his gay affair but accepted it
What a cuck

The Greeks loved boys. Good tastes for the founders of Western Civilization.

And Milotroops

>fucking men in the ass doesn't automatically make you a homosexual

Ur a true japanese

Man you guys need a standing army.

This really is fucking gay. They should realize that Milo is just using them to fuel his narcissistic desire to be worshiped by young alt-right men.

Being gay doesn't matter as long as you aren't the one biting the pillow.
Besides Alexander did jack shit outside conquest, his Empire broke to pieces immediately

I think they do, they just don't care
He speaks for them and shows someone supposedly cares about them, in return they give him attention
1 praise for Milo = 1 retweet

Alexander the Great stole his father's fully trained and equipped army. Phillip II of Macedonia was a military genius who was about to go on a world conquest before his literal faggot son Alexander assassinated him just for being left out of the impending glory.

Cleitus, a trusted soldier of both Phillip and eventually Alexander, publicly said this to Alexander's face. In a drunken rage, Alexander killed Cleitus and then cried when the deed was done.

Alexander was a little man riding on the shoulders of giants. His success is owed to the genius of his father Phillip II and the talent men who served Phillip, such as his team of amazing siege engineers. Without them, Alexander would have been nothing but an egotistical child.

So no, it was not a faggot who did such things. It was a faggot who destroyed the things built by a real man.

Serious damage control. We wuz tier. The fact is Alexander was the tactical genius and was the one who took over the known world at the time, not Philip 2. A man who had buttsex with his best friend on the reg was a brilliant tactician and spread Greek civilization all the way to India.

Alexander the Great wasn't a fudge packing faggot you historical illiterate.

The "ancient greeks were faggots" meme is a mostly jewish pushed historical revision. The ancient greeks hated homos and put them to death. I'm so fucking sick of hearing the myth that they were flaming pillow biters being pushed. It would be like future historians assuming all Americans were trannies because Bruce Jenner appeared on the cover of the Times.

not up here, that was lit the biggest shame of them all. Faggotery. To be "erli" as they called it not to be mistaken by modern ærlig which means honest while first means homo in ON.

I love how everyone jumps to the ancients but no one really gives recognition to Von Steuben that got discharged from the Prussian army for being a homosexual. He came to America and turned the shit rebellion of the American colonials into a well-trained army.

Bad damage control. Read Plato, in Phaedrus he talked about the beauty of boys, in Symposium he compared them the Platonic Form of beauty. Alexander the Great was a big time buttfucker. You're the one re-visioning history. Argue from a position of reason and evidence, not feelings.

There is actually little or no reliable evidence that Alexander was gay.

and Plato was an outcast you fucking retard. If some tard wrote a book about how liked molesting children today in america does that mean future historians should conclude that ALL americans were pedophiles and pedophilia was accepted as normal? Fuck you you historically illiterate fuckwit.

>>/lgbtjhdfgjhagahdfg/ leave

Sexuality in ancient Greece wasn't split between heterosexuals and homosexuals, it was split between masculine and feminine.

A masculine man could fuck women and other men all he wanted, but he himself would not be fucked by anyone. That's what Alexander was. A man who was only fucked by other men then was not gay, he was just a feminine man.

It's how we know that the whole modern idea of homosexuality is just social conditioning. "I only like men!" is a relatively recent concept in the grand scheme of humanity.

There's also little or no evidence he wasn't. Same with Jesus.

The man who founded the fucking Academy of Athens, the forerunner of all academic institutions, the man who taught Aristotle the teacher of Alexander the Great was an outcast? He was extremely popular and well respected in his time. His dialogues about featuring the beauty of boys and mentioning in passing about fucking them were read by the upper class. You don't even known high-school level history.

I wrote my thesis on Steuben because everyone jumps to Lafayette when they think of foreign aid to the American Revolution, and that pisses me off.

Actually they never had buttsex. That was frowned upon. They did put penis between the boy's thighs which was normal bonding between pupil and his teacher. What we consider to be gay sex now was just a norm.

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>I have no fucking clue what I am talking about
look up Aristophanes dipshit to see what most greeks thought about "philosophers"

Gays would be in separate units to regular men, comprised of gay couples only.
The idea was that they'd fight harder than any regular man as their bum chum was in constant danger of death.

>They did put penis between the boy's thighs which was normal bonding between pupil and his teacher
hot

Please, explain Alexander's tactical exploits. Fact is, Alexander won his engagements because of the wonderful army he had control of. Alexander himself was highly impulsive and had to be saved by his veterans on many occasions. A lot of his significant victories are due to the ingenious constructions and stratagems of his engineers such as Aristobulus, Diades and Crates. Soldiers like Cleitus were not only warriors on the field but also strategists and trainers for Alexander's army. Eventually, soldiers like Cleitus became disgusted with Alexander's mishandling of the armed forces and voiced their complaints.

You're simply a pleb who thinks the commander does everything in the army and that Alexander was some sort of tactical genius when, in fact, it was people like Philip II and his trusted compatriots who formed the army and created the revolutionary strategies which led Alexander to victory time and time again. Alexander eventually had his army revolt and force him back to Macedonia after years of his mismanagement and then was most likely assassinated or just simply died like a bitch.

We have vases depicting penetration though.

Exclusive homosexuals are a modern invention. Alexander was bicurious at most.

DELETE THIS RIGHT NOW YOU FUCKING RETARD

Thats the "Sacred Band of Thebes".

Except for armchair generals such as yourself, it's a common consensus that Alexander was a superb battlefield commander. Sure, he had a superb army, but that matters not one bit if it's poorly led.

Greeks are faggots, more news at eleven.

Besides, while all his conquests are impressive, Alexander failed to build an empire that lasted. As I'm sure everyone knows, it was divided up soon after his death.
The Roman Empire on the other hand, was larger in terms of both population and land, lasted much much longer, and argueablly contributed more to the world.
And roman armies had very harsh penalties against almost any form of sex, esspecially homosexual relationships. So that would dispute your idea that faggotry is somehow good for the military

Wasnt the guy who trained the US military during the revolution an exile from Europe because he was gay?

the sacred band of thebes was made up of best friends. The implication that they were gay is jewish revisionism

Ok cool, you said he was an outcast. He wasn't. He taught the elites of society and had friends in many places. Aristophanes was a professional troll.

>openly gay soldiers would lead to relationships between comrades
That's exactly what the Sacred Theban Band was, 150 gay couples,and they destroyed the most well-trained army in Greece.It's said that they weren't just 300 elite dudes, but 150 couples(which if not mistaken grew up together in the ways of war), because that way the morale,discipline, and killing efficiency would increase.

>anything I don't like is jewish revisionism
WE WUZ

he wasn't a faggot
he was a man who happened to be bisexual, like pretty much any man from that timeperiod

he had a wife, and sometimes he fucked his best buddy

what's the big deal? you make it sound like the guy is identical to the people walking in pride parades nowadays, but he was nothing of the sort

and many freaks and degenerates today have friends in high places you dumbfuck like bruce jenner. How do you reconcile this with knowing that in almost every greek city state homosexuality carried the death penalty? Face it no matter how hard you try there is no such thing as a "masculine" homo, no faggot pillow biter would ever be strong and masculine enough to conquer an Empire or do anything that requires actual manliness. Back to your bug chasing POZ parties faggot

>Face it no matter how hard you try there is no such thing as a "masculine" homo, no faggot pillow biter would ever be strong and masculine enough to conquer an Empire or do anything that requires actual manliness

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Band_of_Thebes

also this

gay nowadays is pretty much your identity. gay back then was showing your dick in a guy once in a blue moon.

Also the boys couldn't let just all men fuck their thighs. He had to put up some resistance during this courtship. First of all they had to have equal social status, or if there was lot of men courting him, he had to pick the one with most noble background(the rich daddy) and not give attention to other men. They could court him with gifts like rabbits and cats, much like modern sugar daddy phenomenon. It was balanced relationship where the boy gets guidance from his mentor and the man gets to enjoy his youthful beauty. And this relationship ended once the boy started growing beard because he was adult man then.

they were best friends they werent gay, take your post 60s faggot/jew revisionism somewhere else

>ITT butthurt persian

In the battle of Hydaspes, he had to cross the river in order to fight the army of Porus that was waiting on the other side.Therefore, he left some men in the camp, and took the majority of his force in order to cross the river,the fact that there was a thudnerstorm that night covered the sound of people swimming.After the ruse, he destroyed Porus which he allowed to be a king under his rule.Get fucked, Xerxes.

Socrates was a boyfucker and fought in wars. Alexander fucked men and conquered the known world. Hadrian buttfucked his younger best friend and was one of the greatest Roman emperors. Turing invented the fucking puter, was part of the reason we won the war, and was a fag. Totally unmasculine. You're wrong and really upset that fags and boylovers have accomplished so much for Western Civilization.

>denial

They've accomplished nothing, shit-dick. Kill yourself.

Not true.
The men in the couples was either a erastês, the older one, or the erômenos, the younger one. The fact that they have er at the beginning indicates it is derived from the word eros, which in ancient greek meant love of a sexual kind. If had been merely friends they would have used a word derived from phillia.
I agree that fags shouldn't be welcomed into the military, but let's not lie anout the historical record here.

socrates was a loser outcast. Alexander the great fucked loads of women and never indulged in fudge packing. Turing is overrated, Hadrian was average at best and just got lucky with the time he reigned.

Face it the only contribution gays have made is AIDs and gay "pride" parades. You are filthy deviants and coopting ancient conquerers and pretending they were flaming queer cocksuckers is ridiculous

>fucking dudes is gay

lol what?

You're applying a Judaeo-Christian concept of sexuality to the Hellenic period. Why? Classically sex was entirely about power; the dominant one was the man, doing the penetrating. As long as you weren't the one getting penetrated there was nothing gay about you.

Good rebuttal.

more like weeb cancer.
>i feel sorry for the Japanese.

But von Steuben was, by modern standards, a mercenary. The "Kongo Müller" of the American Revolt.

Wew lad, you really are retarded if you believe that considering the father of the United States Army was a boylover.

>socrates was a loser outcast.
This same argument? He was instrumental in the entire foundation of Western universities and academics, taught the founder of Western Science, Aristotle. You're a completely illogical fool. You're almost exactly the same as the black we wuz people, deluded and believing all accomplishments were made by completely straight men.

you guys are top tier shitposters
i salute ye

the ancient greeks had a better handle on this than we do now, but claiming patently false things like alexander wasn't a homo and socrates was a loser, alan turing is overrated, is extremely dishonest

it's more nuanced than a homo is always a bad person or all homos are bad people, and no homo ever accomplished anything good

it's not about their orientation, as that is the way we think about it today, but their other qualities

many homos accomplished great things, as did many straights, but many homos also accomplished absolutely nothing, as did many straights

gays have an advantageat long range fighting since they dont have to care for a wife

DELET THIS

That applies to Romans but the Greeks were different. It was basically taken for granted that upperclass men had sex with boys.

>It was basically taken for granted that upperclass men had sex with boys.

Sure, but I'm confident it was always the boys taking it in the ass.

Have you been on a mission with women?

True, but it wasn't so much about power in the ancient Greek world as it was in Rome. The Romans in general were more utilitarian, Greeks loved beauty and poetry and whatnot.

Alexander isn't even in the top 5 greatest conquers and his "empire" fell apart as soon as he died.

There are 20 cities that bear his name, I now possess them all. - Kublai Khan

Kublai never conquered egypt lol

Genghis's empire fell apart when he died too, and he had successor empires and states, just like Alexander.

Muslim detected. you're still a faggot ahmed

Great post.

Faggots getting BTFO

1. Greek homosexuality, despite the memes, was usually neither oral nor anal, but "intercrural" or between the thighs. Source: "Reign of the Phallus," an excellent history on the subject. Try reading it in order to learn things. Pro tip: you can do this with other books as well.

2. Alexander was a political and tactical genius, something like a rock star for the times, who's cult of personality was pretty clearly something he had a strong interest in and was integral in developing.

3. He may not have assassinated his father, but if he did, it probably has to do with the fact that Phillip didn't have long to live and was showing signs of alcoholic decline and insanity. He was the man who proposed to lead the Macedonians and Greeks from Europe to Asia, but could not cross from one couch to another. Source: read the original histories, faggots.

4. Alexander was a manlet, like most great conquering statesmen. The perceived inferiority of lesser height sometimes drives highly talented, aggressive men to become profoundly powerful leaders. This has more to do with his psyche than we normally consider. Source: all the greats. But mainly Napoleon and Putin for you armchair intellectuals.

5. Like most upper class classical era Mediterranean people, Alexander had sex of any kind whenever he wanted. No Christian moral judgement. He had access in real life to what you faggots get to see via Internet porn.

6. Alexander fathered children and married and kept women as well as men. This was how they rolled back then.

7. Raise the same dude in 1850 America and you get a Lee or Grant, neither of whom were faggots, both of whom were, in their own unique ways, stupendous generals and leaders of men. Source: you know who these guys were, and your criticisms of them or any other major historical figures will become relevant just as soon as you become historically relevant.

>Greek homosexuality, despite the memes, was usually neither oral nor anal, but "intercrural" or between the thighs. Source: "Reign of the Phallus," an excellent history on the subject. Try reading it in order to learn things. Pro tip: you can do this with other books as well.
We have vases from the time showing both oral and anal sex, sourcing work from scholars isn't ironclad since they're all interpretation, and primary archeological and textual sources are better, basically what they work off of.

>Alexander fathered children and married and kept women as well as men.
Many gay men are like that now too, or were relatively recently. Including boylovers.

>He had access in real life to what you faggots get to see via Internet porn.
>No Christian moral judgement.
>you faggots
Hmm.

Not sure how to respond to the rest of your post as it doesn't have much to do with my post, but it was an interesting read.

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baka calling greek homos a meme then believing the meme of napoleon being short