The boyfriend-girlfriend relationship is a barren marriage without vows

The boyfriend-girlfriend relationship is a barren marriage without vows.

Barren because most bf/gfs are contracepting/aborting their children.
Vowless because they don't take any vows to belong to one another, apart from the unstated, informal, implicit vow not to sleep with someone else.

I think in a way it is more degenerate that outright "one night stand" promiscuity, because it takes on an air of respectability that it has no right to.

It's a parody marriage that is designed to end in heartbreak. Because no vows are taken, one party is free to leave the other whenever he or she pleases. This will inevitably create anxiety at some point in the relationship, if not the very beginning, where one or more is anxious that the other might leave them. This can further jealousy and arguments. Sometimes one will leave the other in order to escape the pain and humiliation of being abandoned themselves. This attitude where you are free to leave your long-term sexual partner whenever you feel like it prepares people to treat an actual marriage in a similar way, ready to divorce whenever they feel like it. Men are encouraged to treat women callously and to be ready to dump them in order to avoid the pain and humiliation of being abandoned by a woman. The anxiety and heartbreak of these relationships furthers distrust among the sexes, leading to more failed marriages.

Romantic films and TV shows promote these degenerate, pseudo-marriages for the same reason they promote standard promiscuity - they know that it undermines real marriage. In fact, I would say that it undermines real marriage more than promiscuity, because, as I've said, it promotes the idea that there is no reason to make permanent vows, or hold to them, with your partner.

Often in these relationships the intentions of each party is unclear to the other. You don't know if your partner is thinking that they will marry you one day, or that they will leave you when some circumstances change. The relationship is therefore ambiguous. You don't know if you are their fiancé preparing for marriage, or their long-term "fuck buddy".

Thank you for btfoing all the fornicating idiots who always make fun of people here for not ''getting laid''. Especially in all the threads making fun of ''manchildren'' as if they are any better.

Arranged marriage is really the only real marriage. Do it right away and deal with the hard stuff whether you like it or not. It will never improve just because you had ''practice''., so really there's no point in not just marrying swiftly at a young age even if you barely know the partner. In fact it's probably better that way.

Too bad I'll probably never find a wife this way at 23 unless I become Muslim or Hindu orthodox Jewish.

It's the fault of parents for not making their kids marry if they have a relationship as ''teenagers'' (a phase of life that shouldn't even exist and was Invwnted by the media)

And the school system for retarding development.

And then most churches in the West, 0even fundamentalist ones, just tell people to date for several years firsr just don't have sex. But dare suggest that that's NEVER how it worked for most of known history and you'll get accused of being a Muslim or even a pedophile.

wew lad this is the actual redpill here

>>tfw you will never get married right away at 16

>girls think I'm creepy so you are degenerate for getting pussy

And here they come.

If you can't handle a lifetime commitment straight away you're the pussy.

>marriage is long term
When will this meme end

Thanks to over a century of romance propaganda marriage has been dead for decades. Far longer than just the introduction of no fault divorce.

I actually think that you are right. And as OP sounds a biiiit bitter, he does have a point.

I would consider marrying a relatively wealthy man, if he was a decent, good person. My and my children's future would be guaranteed and we could actually build a strong family unit, based on trust and honesty. But in today's world you can't say this outloud, cause you'll be seen as a gold digger. Which I understand, but I don't consider myself as one. In that case I would have invested in boob job instead of a university degree. And I actually wanna have a career of my own, but I value having family higher. I'm after financial security and being able to provide my kids things my parents always couldn't, not finer things and luxury for myself.

But as said you kinda have to forget such dating motives, cause I could never intentionally fool someone to be with me having such motive in the back of my mind. It's just against my morals. I also don't wanna set myself for sale. But I'd be fine marrying someone and having a legal contract/prenup stating the mutual rules and expectations. Then I'm sure that by time we would actually achieve something great together, and that marriage would be based on respect, trust and loyalty. Often much better foundation than pure last and chemistry, which both will fade by time anyway. And what's left when the magic is gone?

OP needs to post this on r9k to break their whole paradigm

>they caught the bait
Fucking normies, do they ever learn?

Do none of you guys have girlfriends? Are all of you married?

Most people on this board are male virgins.

Though I'd say Sup Forums probably has more married men than any other Sup Forums board.

You don't have to show us your tits 'cause your thoughts are all over the fucking place. Certified woman.

There is a lot of truth to this. The bonobos will rush in to fling shit though, because you've got them pegged.

OP is right though.

It's major cognitive dissonance how modern society can expect you to marry and have kids while also expecting you to go through the mind destroying process of a series of pseudo-marriages. Sadly it takes an autistic virgin to actually realize the truth these days.

But this is the primary reason Muslims are out breeding us. People like to say it's because of hookup culture, feminism video games porn etc... While those things are part of it, the REAL reason is what OP describes. Romantic relationships kill the ability to bond even more than one night stands.

Muslims don't even have a conception of boyfriend and girlfriend. They just marry young.

Married male virgins? Or married men and virgins that's it?

I agree. Relationships have become hedonistic flings. In reality, the whole purpose of the BF-GF dynamic was to have a "trial period". You court and get to know the other person, spend time with them to figure out if you're compatible. Once you decide you're compatible, you get married and have children.

>This thread

>Most people on this board are male virgins.

Who here /handholdless/?

You missed his whole point.

His whole point was that ''practice'' for marriage is degenerate. Just get married.

Don't even bother. These dudes actually think they are choosing to wait till marriage and aren't just beta virgins. They probably post anime avatars too while talking about how degenerate getting laid is.

>apart from the unstated, informal, implicit vow not to sleep with someone else.
Why is it unstated? Getting married isn't going to make you start communicating if you don't already.

>one party is free to leave the other whenever he or she pleases
You can have other commitments besides marriage and marriage doesn't force you to stay. What makes you stay is financial commitments, children, and security. And y'know, a good relationship.

>This will inevitably create anxiety at some point in the relationship
This doesn't make any sense. Your little rant sounds like the rambling of a deeply insecure 21-year-old that got his heartbroken. You shouldn't have a constant anxiety that your partner will leave you and being married isn't going to fix your deeper issues.

>This attitude where you are free to leave your long-term sexual partner whenever you feel like it prepares people to treat an actual marriage in a similar way, ready to divorce whenever they feel like it.

So you freely admit that marriages aren't particularly more stable than long-term cohabitation? You do realize this undermines your basic premise, right?

I think marriage is an important thing, but most married couples don't treat it that way. They simply want to make their Facebook status legally binding.

>But this is the primary reason Muslims are out breeding us. People like to say it's because of hookup culture, feminism video games porn etc.

This doesn't happen because nobody cares that Muslims are "outbreeding" us. If you asked most people why they wouldn't blame porn. They know Muslims have more children for the same reason all stupid poor people have more children than rich smart people.

Fucking normies I swear

I mean people here and on other conservative leaning Internet communities. Obviously most people are oblivious in real life.

why do you autists need to label your relationships?

i text and fuck 3-4 girls at any one time, no commitment or anything we just enjoy each other and we can do whatever we want

i dont even know what you children are doing

>more degenerate than one night stands
wew lad way to be retarded, one night stands and hookup "culture" are far more degenerate than any monogamous relationship and it sounds like you're just trying to justify them to yourself

Long term relationships with absolutely no intention of having children or marrying is pretty silly, but a lot of these have at least a chance to end up in them

Typical Digeridindu

Of course but OP is still right and cohabitation was the first step down the very real slippery slope.

Do you not know that even showing two people in bed was banned from movies until the 60s?

Here is the real redpill:


Men&women relationships used to be - and will be nothing more then a protectorate untill the children you create can take care of themselves.

its just better, they end up sticking around forever and you never have an awkward falling out because of a breakup. you dont judge, let them do what they want, fuck them well and in return they keep seeing you even when they are married or have a boyfriend and usually end up having your kid and making some cuck raise it.

Not really. I agree that children should become independent at a younger age but that doesn't justify the parents leaving each other and fucking other people when they get older. As grandparents they used to have a duty to educate the larger family.

>he fell for the "muh degeneracy" meme.
This is what happens when decent boards get too popular and newfags and edgy kids from Sup Forums swarm like the parasites they are.

Out and let me shitpost in peace, get out, out, out, OUT OUT OUT REEEEEEEE

I treat dating as a prerequisite to marriage. If I don't think she is marriage material, I wouldn't sleep with her, because things can go wrong (pregnancy or growing feelings) and I could get stuck with her. Also, if the girl is a virgin I would wait until marriage. It's not like sex is required when dating. Dating is nothing new and still existed before women were degenerate sluts who lose their virginity before marriage

It did but usually it was chaperoned by parents and most importantly it was a short period not a multi year affair

I've always wanted a girlfriend, but odds are any girl that you meet have fucked at least 5 guys. Isn't dating inherently cuckolding now? You're committing yourself to a girl who was used as a cumdumpster by other guys.

I come from a libertarian and MGTOW angle with this one and honestly after a long time as a MGTOW my views have changed a lot on this.

I used to believe in the myth of finding the right women, you fall in love because magic, and she'll be loyal to you forever and you marry and have kids and that's great. Any short term relationships that ended were essentially just failures to achieve this,

Then the red pill kicked in and I learned that women aren't capable of loyalty, they don't value it, hypergamy encourages them to marry up, no matter their current status.

Then my disposition slowly changed to relationships are OK for several years and providing that time is enjoyed by both and the split is amicable then in no way was it a failure.

But now most recently I've come to the conclusion that relationships without the end of goal of children are just pointless. It comes straight from biology, you pair bond strongly for about 3 years, you have about that much time to have a kid before it wares off by which time you form a mutual bond with the kid and that keeps you together long enough for the child to grow and leave the nest.

Evolution probably made the pair bonding period last only 3 years because if by that time you're not spouting out kids regularly it was almost certainly a better strategy to find another mate and try again.

I agree with OP on a lot of these points, if you aren't in it for children then just pump and dump. LTRs are pointless by year 3 the good feeling from pair bonding is over and by about year 5 the sex becomes stagnant and boring.

>They know Muslims have more children for the same reason all stupid poor people have more children than rich smart people.

the goddamned raw unadulterated irony of this

wait. what's the reason again?

this is not your personal board faggot

post dag get cot

>Brit-Bong looses his first and last GF to the local alpha-chad
>In his depression, he goes on to Sup Forums and makes a long, nihilistic speech
>"f-f-fuck all those people, being in love and having the ability t-to get sex. D-Degenerate lol get redpilled pleb."
>mfw

Tip harder faggot

>wew lad way to be retarded, one night stands and hookup "culture" are far more degenerate than any monogamous relationship

In it self, a "hookup" is more degenerate, but I think this "boyfriend-girlfriend" relationship has done more damage to society overall, because it undermines marriage more. Those that have sex with no commitment understand that they are in it solely for the pleasure. Boyfriend/girlfriends have pretensions of commitment without any real commitment, and these false commitments that people have makes it harder for them to make real ones, especially after the hardness of heart and suspicion that comes after multiple break-ups.

I'm not sure if i completely disagree with op's post, but i love getting my dick wet once in a while.
So yeah, who gives a shit.

It's even worse for women since women rarely ever have sex for the pleasure alone.

>betas actually beloeve this

so yeah.. you can just keep pounding her pussy and she will orgasm 20 times in 5 minutes

not even joking, sex is better for women

T. Cuntlicker with HPV

To prevent children (contraception/abortion) defeats the entire point of a sexual relationship. Without the possibility of children, sex will become mutual masturbation, "getting off", not that different to prostitution.

This is why a boyfriend-girlfriend relationship is more unnatural than a one night stand. It is more unnatural to be with a woman for years and constantly contracept/abort your children, than it is to be a woman once on a single night and prevent a single conception. Sexual relationships are naturally ordered towards children, and this is especially so with long-standing ones.

Barren, contracepted, aborted "relationships" are a preparation for a barren, contracepted, aborted marriage. Break-ups are a preparation for divorce.

But you have to be a responsible man who supports his family by any means good go- I mean guy.

Be a man, do whatever it takes to make more money and get married, it's not too late for white race and marriage, who cares if gays can get married and anyone can divorce on a whim, what matters is that you support those poor women with your taxes and labor.

Also don't forget, her past is in the past, she could've have had her fun with couple of guys or maybe even kids, but she's with you now, be grateful for the opportunity she graced upon you.

yeh i might have hpv idk
i dont give girls oral tho
its submissive and ruins the dynamic permanently

dammit you manwhores are worse than feminists

This

Yes, so now what do we do to correct it? Everything is stacked against morality. How to we create something new going forward?

Well I don't have a problem with people having sexual relationships purely for pleasure rather than children especially if they're too irresponsible to raise children well in the first place.

But I think you're right in the sense that they have to know what they're giving up which a better shot at a lasting marriage and children.

Still I remain a MGTOW with no interest in marriage and children, and mindless sex with women with one night stands no longer appeal to me so I think it's better to remain celibate.

You pretty much can't without Islam at this point.

Even if you're abstinent good luck finding anyone who agrees to marry swiftly and not take part in the dating game.

The only other way out would be

the only other way out is leaving society and somehow creating our own like the Amish did a few centuries ago

tl;dr
My relationship has little value unless the state or some religious organisation sanctions it.

Christ. Its amazing seeing legit examples from TheRedPill, in 4chins.

>i want a man
>i want to branch swing to a man with more resources
>need resources over love
>what is left when love fades?
>my priority is children
>I'm strong independent womyn

Holy hamster wheel. This is why I just have strings of gf's, and live my life outside this crazy shit.

Which is impossible. So we are basically trying to cling to the old in a way to stave off the inevitable. This society has been defeated. No hope, only despair.

The closest one can get to a purr love these days is being a celibate hermit or monk. And they don't have kids

If it made sense to get married then it woukd happen

Instead of understanding why marriage is out-dated you look for scapegoats "the media XYZ"

Marriage is counter acted by divorce. Even if someone has children in a marriage they can still get a divorce. Marriage is old and outdated and favours women more than men

T. Someone who's parents are divorced

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You did good user.

Marriage is not old and outdated. It exists in nature. It is a natural relationship based on the sexes, not a "social construct". Those that call marriage a "social construct" do so because they want marriage to be controlled by the state. If marriage is not something based in nature but is merely a "social construct", then we can have things like "gay marriage", which clearly have no basis in nature.

Just because so many marriages are being destroyed by divorce and sterilised by contraception and abortion does not mean that marriage is outdated. It just means that there is a lot of corruption in society.

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>I have built my life around spooks,because I am a loser
Kek. What a loser OP.

back to /lit/

Noice cot!

Wtf happened to that cutie?

Very astute, by Kek

age

>40

Enjoy your birth defected children

>Totally BTFO's OP
>OP comes crying with a lame go back to "insert other board"
You are amusing me my property

You cant get that awful in a spam of 10 years.

based turk , you missed by one for the 666

Marriage is shit. Women are only good for a fuck. I'd love to have kids, but the thought of having a fucking modern woman influence their upbringing makes me wary.

t. Never had a girlfriend

>In this instant I am euphoric,not because I have a degenerate female to have sex with,but because I am enlighted by my own purity

do you honestly think that all the edgemaster teenagers and cuckolding faggots on this board really give a shit about marriage?

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>I could never intentionally fool someone to be with me having such motive in the back of my mind. It's just against my morals.
>respect, trust and loyalty
>I would consider marrying a relatively wealthy man
>I'm after financial security and being able to provide my kids things my parents always couldn't
>And what's left when the magic is gone?

A lot of freudian slips probably.

Poor education, housing, heatlcare and significantly higher chance of becoming impoverished.

Me and my gf have been together for 6 years

we were virgins when we met each other and have no plans on breaking up

marriage would mean we wouldn't be able to use our parents' health insurance, auto insurance, etc.

are we still degenerates

Fuck you faggot me and my girlfriend have been clear about out intent to get married since we were 18. We just haven't gotten our lives together to handle children and we haven't had the ceremony because her family wants a giant public ceremony and we can't get married before her older sister

>are we still degenerates?
Yes.