I'm more right-wing than literally anyone else on here and I seriously hope Trump gets assassinated.
Nicholas Gutierrez
>right-wingers I'm not a right winger. I'm more like a national socialist
John Jackson
>implying any of that shit u listed is right-wing.
trump represents nationalist alt right stances, whereas the republican establishment is neo-con neo-liberal bullshit
Christian Turner
There is no left and right, there is internationalism, nationalism, socialism and capitalism.
Trump is a Nationalist Capitalist, meaning capitalism to him only works when it benefits the nation. Russia is Nationalist in general, with a weird mix of left and right policies resulting from the scraps left by the end of the USSR and the rise of Putin and the Russian Federation, his party generally is just populist and has no set course of ideology besides what the people generally ask for.
You're looking at everything in a skewed view of ideology, all that matters in state governing is; >what is the prime objective? (America first) >how can the objective be reached? (Trade and military strength) >who will serve the objective? (National citizens and national capital owners) >why should the objective be achieved? (Protect the nation state, the greatest form of happiness and harmony) >who will be against the objective? (Internationalists, those willing to undermine nation states as it weakens their control)
Left and right are both wide fields that carry nationalist beliefs and many other overlapping ones that bought and paid for politicians have refused to collaborate into a single platform because it interferes with creating division in a nation to weaken it, it stops them from getting high in the party as other ideologues blinded by worship to a set of ideals will tear them down from achieving power. and they will get killed or dismissed if they are not anyone who has global name recognition or no massive following or message that can't be carried if the person is taken out.
Trump has all this, the money the intelligence the connections the attitude the ideals the recognition the following and two sons and a daughter of the highest charismatic nature willing to take his throne if he goes as his following will become martyrdom at that point.
And what kind of communist are you? There's more red thoughts than pokemon nowadays.
Ryan Ortiz
Build a wall Deport them all
Parker Powell
ok benny
Isaiah Jones
>ignoring all the "conservative" butthurt over Trump for the past year But in all seriousness your question has really made me think, that's why I'm a #BasicKasich now
Gavin Kelly
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Joshua Cooper
>-Getting rid of "free" trade agreements that massively benefit corporations and the ruling class while harming workers here and around the world.
These agreements have cost the US a middle class and a strong consumer base for US goods.
>-Opposing US imperialism and aggression against Iraq, Libya, and Syria- even offering to work with the Syrian government to take out ISIS.
Democracy doesn't work. They don't want democracy. Only Dictatorships hold any stability. Arming these "revolutions" only strengthens terrorists and hurts US assets abroad and domestically. So why not support Assad?
>-Opposing NATO and wanting better relations with Russia.
The EU enjoys basking in the umbrella of power projection the US affords them, and yet now ridicule the ones who have enabled them to not fear the world at large. And once domestic terrorism runs rampant across Europa at their own peril, who will it be they turn to for military assistance as the liberal paradise they've so carefully sculpted for the last 70 years turns to shit.
Maybe we should leave the table before the check comes, let the EU pay the bill.
At least Russia hasn't bought into this culture change over the last 15 years.
>What's right wing about any of these positions?
What do you think right wing is? Did you just finish Junior High Social Studies?
Ayden Clark
>Loses argument in his old shitpost >Proceeds to make a new one that's 100x more retarded kek
Anthony Anderson
dam son
Christopher Garcia
>I'll just point out all of Trump's nationalist positions while ignoring all of his right-wing positions, and then proclaim to Sup Forums that Trump is left wing.
Justin Sanchez
i am a socialist of the national variety
Leo Wright
Trump is the reincarnation of based Huey Long. Hopefully without the assassination
Jonathan Brooks
I'm a Stalinist. I literally have a poster of Stalin in my bedroom.
Bentley Murphy
From a class perspective, this is not right wing. The interests of the ruling class in America is to keep wages low and workers divided against each other- mass immigration suits that goal perfectly (which is why Soros and other billionaires constantly push for mass immigration)
For me, "right wing" means "in the interests of the capitalist ruling class" and "left wing" means "in the interests of the working class". There's literally nothing "right wing" about Donald Trump. There's a reason the entire ruling class establishment and media apparatus is against him.
Angel Richardson
>Why do right-wingers support Trump? Both Fascism and National Socialism are not right-wing, contrary to what the historical revisionist left will tell you. Mussolini and Hitler were supported by the left both at home and abroad before the war. Not far-left Communists, whom they viewed as subversive and dangerous, but average leftists.
Luis Carter
Total bullshit. Mussolini and Hitler came to power because they had the support of the upper and middle classes. Working class strongholds voted for the Communist party in 1933 and the working class of Germany never really supported Hitler until he defeated France in 1939 in just 6 weeks.
Trump, on the other hand, is opposed by the upper class, and his main base is the working class.
Brayden Cooper
>What's right wing about any of these positions?
thats like asking whats right wing about George Washington
go read a book dum dum
he's got the principles that made America great
Hunter Johnson
is this a joke or did they hire a bot to post these and forget to turn it off?
Ryder Brooks
He knew his big pull would be Telling It Like It Is, which does not fly at all with regressives, and he knew running against the Clinton Machine in the primaries would be a rigged battle.
Dylan Collins
Pain is no joke, cowboy. That's why I'm a #catheterlivesmatter for Hillary.
Xavier Bailey
Because I'm a national socialist.
Carter Jenkins
I use to be a Stalinist in 10th grade so I can see the appeal, but he's literally the face of traditional Marxist-Leninist thought failing and being replaced by a dictatorial nationalism characterized by an oligarchical imperialist system seizing all control of resource (mostly people) and putting it into means of control expansion of the state as a whole.
He was the technical nationalist wing of the Bolsheviks, hence the famous 'socialism in one state' theory he proposed the created the USSR as we know it post Lenin. He failed any success beyond massive funding of resource to projects Russia has as a feudalist society never came close to creating, though this was from an imperial expansion and aggressive military force that he seized other accomplishments and made them his own.
The only great thing he did was preserve the nation state, created industrialized society (at the cost of millions of lives) in feudal Russia, and leave the communist world beyond that of the PRC a what not to do rule book which helped end the full terror of the practices of Stalinism. He could be considered a National Socialist, just far more brutal than Hitler since he was leading a far less developed nation.
All socialist thought beyond ones that focus on post scarcity society is inherently going to fail. Hence why Mao and Stalin had to revert to Nationalism to keep their nations from imploding, modern nations 'building' socialism like China or Vietnam are working to expand capital creation over socialist ideals and every other socialist nation is failing. Do you agree that post scarcity is necessary for the socialist stage to occur or is it a transitional stage to communism that post scarcity will occur? If you have no idea what I'm talking about you aren't a real commie.
Cooper Gutierrez
>-Getting rid of "free" trade agreements that massively benefit corporations and the ruling class while harming workers here and around the world.
If a "free trade" agreement is only free in one direction, it is by definition protectionist, and therefore the opposite of free trade.
>-Opposing US imperialism and aggression against Iraq, Libya, and Syria- even offering to work with the Syrian government to take out ISIS. >-Opposing NATO and wanting better relations with Russia.
Interventionism is a left wing policy. Isolationism is a right wing policy.
And before you bring up the neocons as an example of right wing interventionists, I suggest you go and read up on their history. Neoconservatism was created as an anti-Soviet LEFT wing faction, which the Republican party co-opted.
Trump is the only right wing candidate America has had in decades.
Isaac Bailey
Got to bed Zizek
Parker Young
His nationalism
Cooper Jackson
>Isolationism is a right wing policy.
You mean non interventionism
Wyatt Gonzalez
Then why not just convet to fascism or Old right and get a good economical plan along with Stalins traditionalism. Stalin was a reaction to the social fail of communism, why would you still keep the economial fail of communism?
Hunter Allen
Call it what you will. The traditional right wing in America (pre-neocons) wanted to stay out of wars and other countries' affairs.
Getting rid of trade agreements isnt left wing. Even if the word "free" is put in front of them to make it seem like the free market is being strengthened. Free trade means unrestricted trade. Binding trade agreements are restrictions.
Gabriel Green
>For me, "right wing" means "in the interests of the capitalist ruling class" and "left wing" means "in the interests of the working class". Well that it isn't what they mean you dumb commie
Joseph Morales
Remember to Vote! for #Cruz in New York .
Eli James
I want these Mexicans shipped out. They are wild Indians and they do not belong in this country.
Also I want the neocon kikes put out of power. Trump isn't going far enough for me - he should be calling for their execution. But I will settle for Trump.
Nolan James
>By the way I'm a Communist see, there's your problem. you're retarded. communist mindset: anything i don't like is a result of capitalism and therefore bad. anything i do like is what helps us get to communist utopia
trump is a nationalist/nativist and he still wants trade with other nations. he's more mercantilist than others.
this doesn't make him "left-wing" or communist at all. Just sensible.
Justin Gonzalez
>hurr if you are right-winger you have to be an imperialist twat no
Chase Jenkins
>muh left-right dichotomy Fuck off shill. Try your divide and conquer bullshit somewhere else.
Chase Myers
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Zachary Nguyen
Maybe you misunderstood which values right wingers hold the highest. Being a globalist shill isn't one of them unless you're a neocon, and they hate Trump so much they prefer Hillary over him.
>The traditional right wing in America (pre-neocons) wanted to stay out of wars and other countries' affairs.
I know, but that's not isolationism. People who call that isolationism are stupid, and don't know what isolationism means.
Ryder Wood
because he doesnt burn 86 people alive to relcaim the news
Joseph Campbell
>What's right wing about any of these positions? First you tell me how they are wrong. Especially ending free trade because free trade fucks over workers and benefits the elites.
Cameron Anderson
When will you fucks understand that noone gives a FUCK about "muh free trade" unless you're a useful idiot neocon stooge?
People want nationalism back first and foremost. If you look at the Republican base the majority is even in favour of public healthcare and other socialist shit.
Trumps popular because he represent what the base actually wants.
Lucas Martin
Wait, you're not seriously trying to say that the USSR was an economic wonder?
Ryan Brown
I can make nonsense graphs too.
At best Communism causes stagnation due to lack of profit. No profit, no expansion, no increase in efficiency With externalities like in real life (accidents, wear, natural events) it is regressive.
