NEET Phenomenon — Are you a NEET?

Is the NEET phenomenon akin to what the Japanese call 'grass eaters'? Are law and policy the driving forces behind these phenomena, or is something else to blame?

Are any of you NEET, or have you been a NEET at any point in your life? For how long? Were you able to improve and get out of your NEET situation?

I'm 26 with no degree and no serious work experience, and the need to get my shit together has hit me pretty hard recently. In my case, my situation was initiated by family issues and essentially having little opportunities and no guidance of any kind, and perpetuated over the longer term by my own immaturity. I've been working to turn it around, however:

>been getting up at 6 a.m. every day.
>working out at least 2x a week consistently, lifting and some mild cardio
>got some shitty part time Internet job that pays Indian-tier wages but at least it's something to pay the cell phone bill
>improving relationship with gf
>learning to code in the evenings in an effort to eventually get a job in the field

What is at the root of this problem on a societal level, and how can we fix it? Moreover, how can we fix it in ourselves at the individual level?

Get a job even if it doesn't pay much. Save money for retirement. Don't waste money on random vices like smoking cigarette.

Also don't buy too much fast food. Buy cheap groceries, cook your own food.

Good luck.

What about fast food that is relatively cheap, like McDoubles? ;_;

>What is at the root of this problem on a societal level, and how can we fix it?
Apathy, social anxiety and a sense of alienation. I don't know how to fix it.

I've been unemployed or working shitty minimum wage jobs for my entire adult life.

>I've been unemployed or working shitty minimum wage jobs for my entire adult life.

>What is at the root of this problem on a societal level, and how can we fix it?

I think we as a society have been conditioned to believe that working 9-5 for 40 years to pay off debt is the natural state of the adult human.
This is the narrative that capitalists and their media want. If you aren't contributing to the economy by being a consumer, you're a loser.

NEETs have the internet. The world and its all its knowledge at their fingertips. Exploring this all day every day is much more appealing than working at a job so your boss's boss's boss can get that much closer to obtaining a second yacht for this summer. It's all bullshit.

TL;DR
Some people find happiness without making money. This pisses off the wage slave, who is trapped in the system. They can't quit because their loved ones will suffer. A NEET likely doesn't have a spouse or dependents, so they are beholden to no one. They are free.

>I think we as a society have been conditioned to believe that working 9-5 for 40 years to pay off debt is the natural state of the adult human.
What do you think the natural state is, though? I'm pretty sure struggle against nature and against one another is what everything boils down to, user. Getting to do so in an office building while browsing Sup Forums (or whatever) every so often is a privilege and a luxury.

I'd much rather it be this way than have to go collect berries and attempt to kill a buffalo just to barely subsist.

The last section of this is completely true. You need to find freedom from social obligations to be a truly free person.

>They can't quit because their loved ones will suffer
But your loved ones are constantly suffering as long as you're a NEET mooching off of them.

Yeah I see what you're saying. I think the problem is our technology has advanced far quicker than our biology. We're still full of hunter gatherer DNA.

I think a lot of the problem is finding purpose in life. Survive and reproduce is the true purpose of all life forms. Suddenly, because of our technology, these primal purposes become trivial. Suddenly, you're told, your purpose in life is to work 9-5 so you can pay off the mortgage to your two story home. What? That's nowhere near as fulfilling as surviving, so some people reject it, because they don't see it as a fulfilling purpose in life.

Of course I say these things but I definitely live in a home and not out in a cave somewhere.

>tfw self-employed and property owner since '03
Feels good.

I live with my mom who is divorced and super lonely, so I justify that I'm not making her suffer at all by spending time with her and voluntarily doing all the work that a man in her life would do.

It's a symbiotic relationship. I also eat very little, take short showers and only use electricity for computer/internet. I consciously takes steps to avoid being a big financial burden.

Mind sharing what you do? Were you a NEET before that? How old are you, etc.?

I get 1130 bucks every month. Why should I work again?

I was a NEET for two and a half years after fucking up my STEM degree due to apathy, family issues
Also a lack of need- my parents have enough money for me to be a basement dweller indefinitely- but not enough money for me to live an independent party life.

Got into the auto industry right outta high school, now work maintenance making $36/hr doing little work throughout the day, although work is going to pick up in the fall considerably, im enjoying it right now.

Independent auto shop? Dealership? Something else?

>tfw no parents with money to bail me out

The world was easy mode before 2007 recession.

I bet you own a bunch of those conjoined townhomes that you guys call houses, don't you, you wealthy bastard?

Don't do this OP. If you're going to get a job, get a good one. If you don't have skills then get them. You have no excuse with the internet.

I have a few months before I legitimately don't have a place to live. I can either work a shit job part time and study part time, or I can starve in a few months.

if I was faced with homelessness, I would drop the NEET thing is 5 seconds flat. Living on the street is worse than working a 9-5.

no. If I had that sort of money then I could be an eternal NEET, and be able to support the lifestyle of having a gf.
I'm skirting on the lower edges of middle class.
And my personal wealth is very low, though I am privileged in being able to live with my parents and avoid paying bills/rent so my meagre salary gets mostly turned into savings.

I own an apartment but same, though I did it relatively recently.

I feel like a feudal lord, senpai.

apartment building*

I was NEET for a few years, then went into the lawn-care business, sold my company after two years and started buying property. Founded a handful of other small businesses mostly around property management and construction, half of them failed, but still made enough to keep my rental business growing. Currently have a little over a dozen houses in my area and two side businesses dealing with real estate.
True; however, the housing crash killed off most people like me who were heavily into the housing and property business in '08. If I had been like most property investors at the time I would have lost my shirt, but I had great locations and enough side-jobs to keep it together. '08-'10 was still dicey as fuck though.

TBQH the market is still wide open now and I think a kid doing what I did today could still make it if he put in the time to learn how. Local regs are the biggest hurdle to jump so it's best to find a mentor you can trust. Church is good for that.

I'm probably not literally going to starve in the streets, but it's possible. In either case I have to make a judgment call and try to work toward a real career in the near future while earning a few bucks on the side, or just go get stuck in a dead-end job and barely make rent every month

fuck these captchas

I'm currently NEET after a yuuuge bout of bipolar fucking everything up, absolutely hate it and trying to be as active as I can until I find more work. I don't understand how people can spend their lives sitting around on benefits if they don't have to without hating themselves

The problem with neets is that 95+% of them don't make proper use of all that free time. The 5% of neets that aren't just redundant piles of protoplasm don't do enough good to outweigh the burden the majority of NEETs bring upon us.

Our society has not advanced far enough with technology and automation to justify a majority population of NEETs. Further, when that day comes - do you sincerely believe the global elite, the owners of this planet, will allow you to continue bottom feeding? When labor is no longer needed by the general population, we're on our own. This won't happen in our live times but it will occur in the next century.

I'm not asking you to stop being NEET, I'm just asking NEETs to actual make use of all that free time not solely for their own pleasure, but to improve the lives of others as well as their own.

>Been a NEET for the last 10 years
>Finally got a job a couple of months ago, but only like 4 hours a week
>Already fucking it up
>Probably gonna end up as a full-time NEET again soon
Kill me.

>In my case, my situation was initiated by family issues and essentially having little opportunities and no guidance of any kind, and perpetuated over the longer term by my own immaturity.

Same here. Been a NEET for 6 years if you discount the minimum wage jobs. My head feels numb due to being inactive and I have little to no cognitive ability left. I tried asking doctors for help but they're all worthless as fuck. My parents did this to me... I fucking HATE them.

Riding the NEET train until I'm no longer able. Then I'll just off myself.

this

What are you doing now?

i also work from home for pooinloo wages. im just so disillusioned and unmotivated to spend my time around muslims and lefties at uni for 4 years just for the privilege of earning a pile of debt

18 yr old here.
I feel forced to succeed by my parents and family to go to Uni and get a degree and shit. I don't want to get a good job. I don't care about success. No one will remember us after we are gone and I don't want kids or marriage so money isn't a huge issue.
How do I do my own thing without commiting sudoku from the family shame Sup Forums?

Why not just aim to get a part-time job doing something you like then?

just do it and ignore them

they'll give up eventually

I don't like anything. All through my GCSE's I've not found a passion. I'm okay at maths and Science is gud but that's it.

Then do math and science.
Even if you don't want to do anything now, but with a degree in science and mathmatics you can always pick up a well-paying job down the line if you change your mind.

I'm a NEET on "universal credit".

Every day is the same, I sleep in the morning, wake up around 5pm do my jobsearch and then play games or watch anime till morning.

I am literally losing track of time all the weeks feel blended together.

Are your parents paying? If not, do whatever you want. If they are, fucking suck it up and take advantage of the opportunity you have right now. Even if you don't want it now, you may well in the future, and life will be a million times easier if you don't be a little bitch and stop whining about some faggy bullshit you thought up in your little 18-year-old head. I wish I had someone to tell me this when I was 18, even though I didn't have any parents to pay my way.

There's a clear difference between being good at/being able to do something, and wanting to/having a passion for something.

i know its very easy to blame the system and all that, but the public school system in this country is fucking shit, they dont try and help you find out what it is you want to do in life, they just push the importance of passing your gcse's and memorising textbooks

>when your application doesn't get a response

Never been NEET. Been working like a nigger in a cotton field since I was 14. I have also made the time to enrich my body and mind. I got that fucking peice of paper(degree) which opened more doors for me then you could imagine. I'm in my late 20s and will most likely retire around 35, 40 at the very latest. On the flipside my brother was a hardcore drug addict with multiple arrest as a teenager/adult. Never had a job, lived on welfare till about his late twenties. He is now clean, with a PhD, and enjoying life in the highest tax bracket in America. The point is user keep working hard don't let your current situation or your past dictate who you want to become in the future.

This is b.s.
To get a job in the UK you need to:
1) be good looking so HR girls will give you a chance
2)be willing and able to work for free for a few months
3) have no gaps in your CV
4) take interviews incredibly well

If he picks a degree he isn't passionate about he will fuck it up, there are no jobs for "science" and "maths" other than teaching or ultra passionate phd students.

Can't really say much about the state of the UK job market, but I imagine having a degree is still better than having nothing at all.

>I don't want to get a good job. I don't care about success. No one will remember us after we are gone

There's a good marcus aurelius quote about how foolish it is that men want to be remembered after death, because the people who remember them will also die, and all eventually all is lost

I've never been a neet, started my work life 11yrs ago, did the wageslave thing, gained relevant industry contacts and opened my entrepreneurship 3yrs ago, quit my original job last year and now I want a small business, completely unrelated to my original career but already in planning phase with my trusted business partner. Hopefully it'll take off but no big deal if it doesn't

I don't need much, got over my materialistc phase a few years in, now I just aim for stability and having a family of my own with loads of free time and means to do it in comfort

Total NEET herein my mid 30s.Dropped out of A level studies 'cos was offered a good job at a bank, few hundred quid a week at age 16 in 1997 was amazing and I couldn't turn it down. Job was soul destroying in an office with a load of old cunts so left. NEET for a few years wasting life gaming.

Then started making money as a pirate uploader on the old Surfthechannel site and a piracy forum making cash from Kim Dotcom, bless you Kim

it depends, if you do the degree and don't do well in it then that is worse than not having a degree. Office experience is a requirement for pretty much every office job going.
In that 4 years you could have worked on a low tier office job, learnt programming skills, etc.
Degrees are mostly completely useless in an office environment.

how much do 9/10 escorts cost?

I'm in a similar spot, though sadly not NEET. I plan on offing myself as soon as my debts are paid.

Jesus Christ.

Being a NEET -- sleeping, playing vidya, eating, wishing I was dead... you know, the typical NEET stuff.

Be like me. Get that degree, get that job and pay your debts. Repay your parents for raising you by living up to their ideals. The moment your debt is gone and you are free, make your own choices. Live, die, you are your own master at that point.

I have lost hope on humanity after spending time on Sup Forums. Being a NEET seems to be the best option in this dying world.

28 years old with a degree in STEM but haven't even applied for a job yet, been done with degree for half a year now.... just dont know, guess I'm worried that I won't get a job when I start applying but I am compounding my problems by holding off on applying making it that much worse

How are all you NEETfags so depressed. It's literally trivial research to get a small business going if you want to make more money without going full normie and if your welfare system is generous enough you can literally do whatever you want all day instead.

Lift weight, read good books, go outside, meet new people, shit. Most of you are worse than niggers.

>23
>dropped out of high school at 16
>live with parents
>never worked
>haven't been outside since December when I went to my aunt's house on Christmas
>spend all day everyday on Sup Forums, masturbating, watching anime and playing video games

>Tfw currently doing volunteer work in hopes of internship
At least it's something I like and am passionate about.

Yeah how do you get out of this hell? I'm not 26 but damn close. The cycle is fucking impossible to snap out of. No degree here either.

>It's literally trivial research to get a small business going if you want to make more money without going full normie
What kind of small business, though? That's a really broad and ambiguous statement.

>what is google
Literally all the information you need at your fingertips, just stop being a nigger.

Jesus Christo...

I'm 24, I was a NEET for one year because of an illness and it was maddening. I felt like such a piece of shit.

I can't believe people actually make the choice to remain NEETs. You're fucking parasites.

My first business was lawncare, but other easy shit abounds, just google search for first business ideas, small business ideas, common business ideas for kids/students. Most of the things you think are over-saturated, been-done-to-death, etc. are actually not. These days people are so incredibly fixated on education and stupid credentials most of the small businesses that used to be really competitive are actually easy to get into and make money without a hell of a lot of start-up money.

160 ph have to research to avoid the dogs. If ur in brum look up Sweet Pola, uni student looks like a Made In Chelsea girl 120 ph

Graduated 2 months ago haven't felt like searching for a job yet, will have to though cause living off my savings.

Alright, thanks for the encouragement and the tips.

Go get em tiger.

Quick, career suggestions for NEET with no degree.

Im 24, and I love being a neet.

In September 2014 I was made redundant from my factory job, which relocated within New Zealand. At the time I had a burgeoning opiate addiction that had been going on for about a year. The first weekend after that I spent $2000 on morphine and $600 on weed. Within a month the drugs were gone, within two all my money/resources were depleted. Spent 6 months stealing, dealing, borrowing, and occasionally begging. Lost many friends, never had much family. Finally after spending two weeks in hospital rehab I got off opiates, but not before being diagnosed with hep c.
For six months after I felt weak, could barely get out of bed without the gear. For a further six months I received treatment for the hep c, which is now successfully undetectable. The medication was horrible, and that entire time I was a low functioning mess. Midway through the the meds I started making a sincere effort to eat well, and towards the end started exercising.
Two months ago I finished the meds, and since then my life has been better than it had been for 9 years previous. I'm in great shape, and fine health. I now wake up everyday at 8am. I eat breakfasts. Spend my day pursuing my interests. I have completely reinvigorated my garden, and repainted most of my house.
I have taken on small cash jobs (also painting and gardening) to supplement my benefit, and no longer behave in a degenerate manner, but still get to enjoy my time.
And my time belongs to me.

Now, after a total year and a half of neetdom, the government are finally forcing me to get a job, no more neetbuxs.
No more free time/leisure. No more cooking feasts fit for a medieval king, no more weekday three hour hikes done on a whim.

A return to boring, stressful minimal-wageslave jobs and being answerable to some fat boss.
The job interviews so far have been a nightmare, and im intentionally stretching out the process to secretly remain neet.

Trash man, politician, truck driver

I've spent a long time looking into this, and, unless you want to get into a trade and work with your hands, programming is one of the only options.

>inb4 pajeet and/or anti-pajeet brigade, cs majors with no prospects, etc.

Even though it seems cheap, in the long run its better for you and less expensive. Mostly due to your health: 100 a month on mcdonalds food and a 400 dollar medical bill for throat absess and damaged liver, or a simple 200 a month grocery bill.

How do you get into programming in your mid 20's and without any prior experience? Seems to me that'd be a field of work where you absolutely would have to have a degree.

Why would a simple hamburger give me a damaged liver? That's total nonsense.

>tfw starting to have panic attacks
>tfw was ALWAYS socially retarded, and bad at math
>tfw took one year pause after finishing high school, have still no idea what to do
>don't even get NEETbux, just live from savings
>tfw heart is racing every day, starting to have panic attacks
>tfw absolutely paralyzed by fear at this point
>tfw always hated myself
>tfw only 21 years old and already completely stuck and finished

>NEET
>girlfriend

nah nigga you're a failed normie, not a NEET

neet for 3 months now

its the life :D

wake up
computer
eat
shit
jack off
computer
3am
sleep

>What is at the root of this problem on a societal level, and how can we fix it? Moreover, how can we fix it in ourselves at the individual level?

Parents, technology, handouts.

t. former long term NEET

>Lift weight, read good books, go outside, meet new people, shit.

you sound like one of those "just get some pussy bro" guys

a lot of NEETs have psychological issues that can't be fixed by snapping your fingers. Please don't give solutions to a problem you're completely ignorant of.

Dry Cleaner. Bonus points for the satisfaction of taking something filled imperfections and faults and making it right. Feels like a microcosm of ethnic cleansing. Get a Responsible Service of Alcohol, they cost like $30 and enable you to do bar work. Do mowing and weeding. Become a street cleaner. A Mailman. Basically any low tier civil servant. Go for a chain with bad/shitty working conditions. It'll generally have a high turnover meaning they'll be more than willing to pick you up, and you're desperate enough to stay.

My neighbor is a college dropout who worked from home as a freelance programmer/developer. He used that to get hired at a start-up and now makes more than I do and they send him all over the world to present to clients.

You just described my day but I sleep at 4am

>How do you get into programming in your mid 20's and without any prior experience? Seems to me that'd be a field of work where you absolutely would have to have a degree.
It's actually the other way around--programming is one of the few fields which still puts production and ability above everything else. As a programmer, if you're up-to-date and in a good field, you need a strong portfolio and ideally some experience, but that's really it. Read into it and you'll find that a lot of people say the same thing.

An acquaintance of mine recently got in at some small insurance company out in bumfuck nowhere because he had three apps on the App Store and a couple of shitty repos on github. 50k starting, benefits, work at home once a week, work in a cushy office, free toys...

I got cucked by his anecdote desu

Anyway I've been doing that ever since and I've had a few recruiters contact me and aquaintances point me toward their jobs pages even though I'm nowhere near qualified, feels pretty good

>t. former long term NEET
Mind elaborating on your situation and how you fixed it?

>neet for 2 years
>finally start making some money on ebay
Feels good desu.

Does anyone feel bad about being a NEET?

>Doesn't everyone feel bad about being a NEET?
ftfy

I'm at that midway point between being a NEET and being a normalfag.

Basically I refuse to work more than I need to survive. I don't spend cash on drugs, juices, sodas, just water and tea, and I eat maybe twice a day tops.

Likewise I do not date, so that keeps more money to myself.

>What is at the root of this problem on a societal level, and how can we fix it?

There's not an appealing enough incentive to continue to work. What's in it for me? Nothing. Why the fuck would I sign my life away just to carry more stress?

Boomers, this is the future you chose. Raise kids with a 'be anything you want to be' attitude and hand out participation trophies left right and center, eventually people will just opt out of the rat race pissing game bullshit.

I definitely have.

I hate when people say that us neets are not voting for our self interests when we vote for trump.
I'm sure I'm like most NEETs here, I don't want to be a NEET for ever. I want to progress but there aren't that many opportunities for a neet to be quite frank. I'm speaking from personal experience when I say that getting a fast food job is tough because there a lot of older Mexicans working there on permits.

If trump brings jobs back we can get a good job without being cucked by illegals we can live through a golden age of prosperity.

In my year as one, I sincerely believe that if you don't feel bad about it, you're a piece of fucking shit and you should be beaten.

how?

Yes, always. I wish I had a job and a woman.

It's depressing, but it feels good