Why shouldn't I vote for Bernie Sanders?
>I'm poor
>I'm in debt from college
>I want free health care (I'll be willing to pay an extra 10 bucks for health care)
>I am against the loopholes of tax for the rich
>I believe globalization and free trade are great things
>I'm tired of how I'm forced to bank with huge banks like Chase, who nickle and dime me
Seriously Why not vote for Bernie?
You sound like an economically illiterate, whiny loser, so you probably should vote for him. You'd fit right in with the rest of the nu-male beta cucks.
10 bucks extra, while everyone else sees massive tax hikes, the so called middle class ends up paying for the welfare state, and guess what you are probably white and therefore privledged, no help for you buckaroo. : D enjoy socialism.
> I'm an economically illiterate whiner
> I'm lazy
> I want other people to be forced to give me free stuff
Yeah, I think Bernie is your guy OP
>>I believe globalization and free trade are great things
he's against those things
>Seriously Why not vote for Bernie?
because the solution to your problems is hard work, not a populist fraud
exactly this not even trolling
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>Why not vote for Bernie?
Because he won't be on the ballot, that's why not
Biggest whiners out there are conservatives who are so super special but "somehow" can't do anything if mean old government enforces basic rules (tell the truth, clean up after yourself, pay for goods and services, etc).
doesn't matter to me, multimillionaires can afford more than i can. I don't expect to eat steak every night, but I do believe i can get a bit more than the shithole i have now.
It's not free, I understand that. I'm even willing to pay a bit more taxes to benefit all.
>ecause the solution to your problems is hard work, not a populist fraud
I do not dispute this, but we all should be paying a bit more tax for the benefit of all.
I make a 1000 dollars a month. After taxes I take home about 700 dollars. I can be taxed an extra 100 dollars or so to benefit everyone. If I can live off 600 dollars, a millionaire can live off few thousands
>Biggest whiners out there are conservatives
Found a picture of you
>want free health care
>willing to pay extra 10 bucks for health care
wut
>If I can live off 600 dollars, a millionaire can live off few thousands
>implying you have some sort of divine authority to determine what other people can and can't do with their own fucking money
Yeah, nah. You can fuck right off, you parasitic retard.
Thinking the millionaires are gonna stick around for that, top kek, nah, anyone working even at wendys and shit will be paying for gibs. But it doesn't matter since Hillary has the Democratic nomination locked in.
so instead of directly paying 100 dollars for the things you want, you'd rather be forced to pay the government those 100 dollars, for them to pay a huge and inefficient bureaucratic apparatus, who will then provide things you mostly won't need?
How much is private health insurance for a young healthy adult? Probably $50/mo? Doesn't the employer pay it in America?
Because he has 0% chance of winning.
He'll drop out after the CA primary. Screenshot this post. His latest row with the DNC is just posturing.
How can you vote for a man that won't be in the election?
You will break what's left of the class that is giving you the freebies you already get, and then you will have nothing
>implying your existing college debt will magically disappear
Bern victims are truly delusional
>I'm in debt from college
Tough luck bitch
>Implying Bernie can win
American Socialism is a pyramid scam designed to vampire as much capital from a shrinking youth labor pool into a dying older generation. In order for Socialism to work, a nation must maintain a 2.1 positive birthrate. That is one child to replace the woman, one child to replace the man, and one extra good little taxpayer. Their must be enough young and working people to support the leeches and retirees or the entire scam crumbles like a house of cards.
The problem with this is, Americans are not breeding. America has a 1.88 birthrate, not enough to replace the retiring older generation and thus finance their retirement. What happens when a pyramid scam starts cracking at the foundation?
America imports third worlders to fill the gap in the shrinking labor pool due to the older generations not breeding. The workers imported arrive via Illegal Immigration, H1B visas, and Amnesty Programs.
Examples include; Yemen=4.1 birthrate, Somalia=6.6 birthrate, Mexico=2.2 birthrate, India= 2.5 birthrate, Pakistan=3.2 birthrate
Well, with this we can already see a problem. In due time, the immigrants will outbreed the dying native population and replace it. Which leads into the next problem.
THE WELFARE STATE propagated via rampant Socialist governments. These include as examples; Social Security, Section 8, Welfare, Student Loans, Disability, Medicare, Medicaid, Student Lunches, Food Stamps and on and on and on.
Immigrants get access to this Welfare State as soon as they step into our borders. Why should they work and contribute to the older generations retirement? So, with a welfare state in place that actively encourages the immigrants to leech off the tax payers and not contribute, we get an even bigger burden on the pyramid scam.
If you are poor it's only yourself to blame I made a successful business online and I don't even pay taxes
proxy go
>White people cant be poor
He's not fit to be president
Are you a jobless failure too?
And once the original people die off, and no one to support the shitskins, the country sinks to third world status.
Technically jobless but I don't have anything to do with this thread but I'm pretty sure your island is just a myth cant trick me
Im on mobile what is this
>I'm even willing to pay a bit more taxes to benefit all
>implying government bureaucracy is known for its efficient allocation of resources
You're a naive child, just like all other Bern victims. Take some history classes, micro and macro econ courses, and an econometrics class.
Tuvalu
>globalization
>good
Get out
You might as well. Even though Hillary is guaranteed to win, voting for Bernie will at least make things more interesting. Because of the super delegates your vote really doesn't matter anyway.
Sweden 1.9 Birthrate
Norway 1.9 Birthrate
Germany 1.38 Birthrate
It's happening all over the western world. Socialist states are dying, being invaded by shitskins, or in the middle of collapse themselves(Venezuela). There is not enough good little taxpayers being born to fill the gap left behind by old people and leeches and the governments are running out of money to fund their pyramid scam. Socialist states die. It's not a matter of if, it's when.
Sounds like it's in your interest to vote Sanders.
Only your short-term interest, though.
Young students always want to vote for socialism because they think it leads to free money for them. But it would also make it impossible for them to ever become successful in the middle class, because as soon as they start making adult money they're be the ones getting taxed into oblivion. It is and always has been a short-sighted solution for short-sighted demographics.
I have no idea where you got the notion that Sanders is for free trade.
Stick by your guns Sanders guy
This.
I used to see Bernie as the old guy who just really wants to help blacks. But after he said that white people can't be poor, I saw him for the jew that he is.Even Trump said that not all illegal immigrants are bad people.
Go ahead and vote for him. He's the candidate tailored for you. I, on the other hand, have a job and have healthcare, so I don't give a shit about those things and have no reason to vote for him.
For now, there seems to be a lot of other people in the same position as me, so the chance of Sanders winning anything other than a few primaries is slim. We'll see how long that lasts though.
>but we all should be paying a bit more tax for the benefit of all.
Fuck off. Says who? I'm not paying for jack shit for some loser. Why don't you go ask Bill Gates to fund your social welfare program.
And what are you even talking about? What are you going to use that tax for? The government is just going to throw it at old people who need gov't pensions because they were too fucking selfish and short-sighted to save when they were young. Or it'll give a bunch of bullshit jobs to inner city minorities to win their political support. You want higher taxes? What for? Can you even name something specific?
>If I can live off 600 dollars, a millionaire can live off few thousands.
I got news for you. Anyone ambitious enough and resourceful enough to start a company, or manage a big one, or be an entrepreneur in general, is going to go somewhere else if he or she cannot enjoy the fruit of their labors here in the US. Those entrepreneurs are the reason the US has achieved what it's achieved (moon landing, Voyager probe, etc).
As an example. I just read an article in The Economist, about some hard-boiled egg manufacturer who didn't like paying $50,000 a year to dispose of the egg shells of his product. So he worked with a researcher to devise a method for converting egg shells into powdered calcium carbonate, which he then sold to polymer companies for use as a filler. That's enterprise, and the government can't do it. They can only create the conditions that encourage it, and get out of the way. Anything else invites disaster.
>I'm in debt from college
Why did you go to college knowing you couldn't pay for it?
And P.S., starting a company requires a ton of work, personal investment, and risk. Ask anyone who runs their own business, and they'll tell you that they think about their company 24/7. Most of them use their own money to get the business off the ground. Are you suggesting that in the slim chance their business succeeds (most fail), they ought to be rewarded with obscene tax rates so a bunch of under-achieving hyper-consumers can buy more craft beers and sushi?
Most millionaires, by the way, have only $1-10 million in net worth, and live WELL below their means. The most commonly owned car among millionaires is the Ford F-150.
Do you want to tax corporate profit? Earned income? Saved wealth? The specifics matter.
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I could pay for it. But education is a right, not a privilege.
Best post in this thread.
>Fuck off. Says who? I'm not paying for jack shit for some loser. Why don't you go ask Bill Gates to fund your social welfare program.
Uhh... that's the point? Gates will be paying more taxes to help a majority of us. I will be doing my fair share as well with my % of income being taken out too.
>You want higher taxes? What for? Can you even name something specific?
Free health care, free college, stronger military, better social security, better transportation, all public goods me and you use.
>Do you want to tax corporate profit? Earned income? Saved wealth? The specifics matter.
All of it. We all should be doing our part in giving a bit more for the benefit of all.
>But education is a right
>It's a right of mine to force someone else to teach me things
Kill yoself desu senpai
>abloobloobloo everything is someone else's fault dur hur personal responsibility
Yes it is a right to have someone force me teach me things. But it's also my right to not learn. Wow you Trumpets are idioits.
Voting for Bernie won't make you less poor, take away your college debt, or give you free health care, and it will support the corporations and bankers that pay Bernie's salary and campaign.
Seriously why vote for Bernie?
Only thing you'll get you said is globalization. But Hillary will do that to, so just let it die cuck.
How do you think globalization and free trade are great things. Enjoy being unemployed due to globalization and free trade.
>more taxes so I can have more things
Wow. You aren't even ashamed of how much a selfish lazy asshat you sound are you...
>free trade
>bad
You are such an idiot, how is it your right to have someone teach you things? What about someone's right to refuse to teach you things? If you want to learn something google it.
And you say globalization and free trade are good things? You know those are probably the reason you make a $1000 a month and have student debt still and probably til you die.
I guess you did not take basic macro economics in pursuits of your shit post secondary education.
Free trade allows for cheaper goods for the consumers. And eventually the globe will allow for better competition and specialization amongst different countries.
US has a huge specialization in food. Free Trade and globalization allows the US to raise prices of their corn to counteract the cheaper TVs from China. We'll all have jobs.
This.
Fucking hang yourself OP, you spoiled, entitled, undisciplined, spineless shit.
>posted from a device made in china
Because you not only want to stay poor, but drag the rest of us back down with you?
Good plan, OP.
Might explain why you...
Nah; forget it.
Have a nice life.
Another thing the randbots don't get is self interest. Oh they love to praise the virtue of selfishness. But let OP vote in what he believes to be his self interest and watch them fly off into a rage. It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.
>What about someone's right to refuse to teach you things?
uhh.. teachers are paid by taxes? If they don't want to teach they can do other things. It's their choice to enter the profession. However it's still a right for the citizens to have a free public education. There's more than enough people willing to become teachers.
>Why not vote for Bernie?
You're a loser, so Bernie would be great for you.
>(I'll be willing to pay an extra 10 bucks for health care)
nigger where does all the fucking money come from to pay for healthcare.
10 bucks doesnt pay the nurse for having to wheel your fat ass inside.
if socialists understood economics, they wouldn't be socialists
I challenge you to read a book on economics, such as Adam Smiths - Wealth of Nations
You should vote for bernie
even if he doesn't win the primary you should encourage all your friends to do the same
Poor welfare babby here.
Fuck you, and the bull your wife rides on.
>takes only 5000 people to pay for a 50,000/year nurse
>get taxed $10 dollars/paycheck
>26 checks
>260 dollars out of the year
>5000 people can raise 1.3 million
>hires 26 new nurses
Look I just created 26 great paying jobs, and these 26 can equally contribute to the general welfare fund based on their proportional income.
Because abloobloobloo the goyim won't assemble $600 phones for $3 per day.
I already did, I also read Karl Marx's manifesto, and Marx's theories and policies are better than Smith's theories and policies.
The invisible hand leads to things like the Jungle where people can sell spoiled meat, as well as huge displacement of the less fortunate. Read some Steinbeck to get a glimpse what happens when you fall into Smith's propaganda and theories.
you forgot all the other shit thats required to treat your fat ass.
you only raise about 62 billion a year off of a 10 dollar paycheck tax.
probably around 100 billion if you include all possible workers.
that sounds like it would buy a great socialist healthcare service.
thank you. You just made my point. for just 10 fucking dollars healthcare for the country can be paid.
enjoy that shit tastic socialist healthcare service.
and women voted the welfare state into existence so they could marry the state and get mens money for free
how would that be shitastic? go in, get healthcare, get out. No need to bend to the will of insurance companies with overcharged pills too
Fucking welfare rats are the worst
>spoiler alert
Non-white?
>I am a parasite and will thus be voting sanders with the other parasites
so your in favor of involuntary wealth redistribution? we all just vote to take stuff from the rich and give it our selves?
but it's not theft if we vote for it, right?
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>If I can live off 600 dollars, a millionaire can live off few thousands
Holy fuck this fucking mentality makes me fucking mad. Why don't you first earn a few thousands and then decide if you want to give even more to the government?
And you idiots act like we don't work to earn that shit and then talk like you fucking deserve our money.
Thank god it's other rich people that control those laws.
of course not, the rich uses the services we all need. The roads, police, firemen, teachers, medicare, medicaid, etc. How is it theft? Everyone is going to help pay for it.
>went to college
>has a bank account
Sorry OP, but you sound better off than most Americans.
Communism will hurt you more than it will help, since the unemployed and refugees will be needing your money more than you do.
they already pay more than the average man, what right do you have to demand even more? just because they have stuff? you didn't explain how taking someones stuff isn't theft
they can proportionally pay more. That's the point. We all can add a bit more to the general fund to help all.
How the fuck can you only earn 1000 dollars a month with a college degree? I was making 45k a year at 20 years old as a college drop out while working in a car factory.
are you unable to answer my questions?
or do you somehow think that you are actually answering them?
is it that you know I am correct?
Nobody owes you money just for existing, you fucking degenerate leech. If you're that afraid of hard work, why don't you do us all a favor and off yourself. It's a win-win. You don't have to worry about work, and we don't have to worry about you.
>help all
My country has "free" healthcare and most people still opt for employer and third party coverage because our government is the most inefficient shit in the world.
How the fuck do you expect a country with 10x the population with an already strained healthcare system to no collapse under itself?
Doctors don't just magically appear when less money enters the system.
What are you in college for?
Woman's Studies?
>Hey, let's set up a society of workers, soldiers, peasants and intellectuals
Bill, you can be the worker and manufacture all our goods
Jim, you can be the soldier and get your leg blown off fighting all our wars
Ted, you can be the peasant and supply all our food
and what will you do?
>Oh, I will be the intellectual and sit all day on my arse telling you all what to do
Some animals are more equal than others
google Why Johnny Can't Think pdf or check 4+Sup Forums /pdfs/
Nigger are you so retarded that in the year of our Lord 2016 we still need to pay a government employee to "teach"? How did you get here? Did you use google to do that? Guess what public education is already free you dumb faggot, it's called a library and it's called the Internet. For that low price of $35/mo. or whatever your cable subscription is you can download an archive of all of human writing and literature and teach yourself not to be retarded enough to stop thinking like a fucking slave and needing massah government to take care of badic things like making you read a book and take notes. Guess what you don't need a fucking tax to hire a cheap tutor. Goddam it people like you afflicted with slave mentality need to be shot.
If I recall correctly the Feds spent like 900 billion on healthcare in 2015.
so you want everyone to pay for your bad decisions. neat
you should vote for trump, its probably the only useful thing you'll ever do.
And if they don't want to pay more than the bare minimum, then what? Force? What if a wealthy person doesn't care about your precious commune of sub 80 IQ parasites? What if they only want to lay what they owe to the government and none for the poor or less fortunate?
You probably plop a kid in front of Khan Academy and sit next to him and he'll be able to learn faster than any kid in public school. The only benefit public schooling has is to teach them social skills.
Define "strained".
We've got a shitload of healthcare infrastructure, it's just poorly distributed.
For example, we're second only to japan in MRI machines per million people.
Who did you vote for in 08 and 12?
That's fucking idiotic questioning, your position is just to remove taxes in general then. But government cannot exist without taxes. Social Contract theory by your very own John Locke, already argued why government exists, and how taxes are forms of tribute for safety and services. Raising taxes allow for better care for all. The simple reason that they decide to want to live in this country is enough to justify raising taxes for all.
I'm paying part of my income as well. And when I earn more income, I will be paying my proportion equivalent to what I'll be making. If it involves paying more money, so be it.
Obviously, since currently the government is in the competition of healthcare, and the problem is needing to compete for healthcare. If the government centralizes the healthcare system, and actually controls it, there'll be easy price ceilings and floors to control prices.
There is no reason why an outside service is to provide for a much needed general common good. And Doctors will be getting paid much better with better protection than now. Currently doctors pay a premium to insurance companies and lawyers. By centralizing the healthcare system, doctors are actually protected by bogus lawsuits, and they can actually do what they want to do and that's be doctors, not insurance manipulators
I'm referring to wait times and such alongside rankings in magazines like Forbes. Like you said, its there but its poorly distributed and that won't change when the government gets involved.
With socialized healthcare, people are lot more willing to clog up waiting rooms even for the most minor shit. 4 hour wait times while you have a fractured vertebra isn't fun.
And it doesn't even fucking do that. You teach kids social skills by letting them tag along with you wherever people socialize. Honestly i think this is a great myth. A lot of people learn to be insecure, get misdiagnosed with ADHD, get to be beaten up by assholes with shitty parents, get hooked on drugs, etc. I see no real evidence that public schools improve socialization in children.
>And if they don't want to pay more than the bare minimum, then what? Force?
Then get out of the country. We need to force people to pay for services that help the general good. Hence the military. How big of a cuck are you to not want to help the military PROTECT your assets? Same thing with healtcare, police, teachers, firement, etc. All these things actually help protect your very own company. And if you have more to lose, you would gladly pay more to protect them. Higher taxes easily do that.
And guess what, these taxes actually protect you from these 80 IQ parasites.
This isn't true. Generally most people can't learn shit being plopped in front of a computer. Look at Sup Forums.
>hillary doesnt land on Bernie
Public school is baby sitting at tax payer expense for mostly single mothers at this point.
It is a gigantic waste of money.