Why doesn't the United States have universal health coverage? Is just that Americans don't want it...

Why doesn't the United States have universal health coverage? Is just that Americans don't want it? Or is because it simply can't be implemented? If so, why? Should it be implemented?

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Because I'm rich and don't want to pay for your shit you commie faggot. Get a job

Because our healthcare is expensive but the best in the world. FDA has the most stringent requirements worldwide.

It's just a question I have you dumb cock guzzler.

The rest of the developed world and half the third world has health care that doesn't involve bankruptcy. The US health care system is a Jew scam to drain money from citizens. We can afford to enjoy perpetual war, but cannot provide health care for our citizens. SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE.

Americans are raised with a selfish mentality and see paying for healthcare for everyone from their taxes as an afront to themselves, even though it works in other countries. They tend to care only about themselves and maybe their families or ethnic groups and think everyone else can get fucked. See this guy

Because its too expensive. Those countries with UHC, look at how much the average Joe pays in taxes. That's what would happen here. The whole "soak the rich" argument falls apart when the numbers get run, just look at California and their recent study. UHC, just for Cal. was going to cost $400 billion per year, that is just for healthcare. Their entire state budget for last year was around $150 billion.

I'm having a hard to trying to understand this post.

when you make something free you create near unlimited demand

Medfag here. It is NOT the best. It is the bleeding edge but as far as public health we rank toward the bottom of industrialized nations. We sell treatments noy cures.

Its true that the average joe pays more taxes, but we also make a lot more money, have better holiday and weekend pay, can afford housing and schooling and a better quality of life. The average joe is not too disturbed to put his taxes into healthcare since it effects him too. Your taxes already go to roads and police, these are thing deemed so necessary that you pay for them without batting an eye. How is affordable healthcare different?

Part of the money i pay for health care is used to fund elections. Elections for poiticans who keep my health care prices so high. Yaaaaaaay capitalisim!

I am an above average income earner in Australia, universal healthcare here. I pay about 25% in taxes, suck my dick you US fags, because if i get your Syphilis I will just go to my GP, get it fixed and it the only cost i'll pay is for a course of antibiotics, probably about $9.

Suck.
My.
Dick.

Nursefag here. No not really. In fact everyone already gets treated for every little thing and most of them don't pay the bill. They get zero followup care and end up in the ED 10 times a month. Shit is inefficient as fuck but good luck fixing it when you have people who live insulated from the problem not realizing it exists.

Lel, I live in country with universal medicare, its worse than no medicine at all

I want to live with the wallabees and vegemites and std's.

No you dont.

>Here OP if you want a good list of reasons why you should watch Ben Shapiro Debate Stink Yogurt

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As an American living in Australia i can confirm the healthcare here is amazing and i can definitely afford it as a lowish income earner. My question for you is: I thought above average was a much higher tax? Like 46% if making over 100k per year?

one of my best friend is an italian medicine student, one of his teachers allow 2nd years students to teach for a month in a NY university

you're not the best, at all

Which country?

We have too much of a fetish for "market competition" to make the transition. Despite the fact that the health insurance companies we have don't freely compete, profit at the expense of taxpayer-funded subsidies, regularly defraud the government, we have no political willpower to nationalize them because "muh socialism" and lobbying.

Any industry where the primary customer is the government should simply be nationalized, as the profit margin earned by that industry is literally a direct transfer from taxpayers to the company. Removing this transfer would drive down costs, likely more than "competition" lowers them as there is barely any competing once long-term government contracts are established.

Currently $72,000 last FY. Over the next few years i'll be hitting up that way though, but even at that income, it wont hit 49%, will probably be around 35% or so. Still way better than what's in the fucking US. We spend something like $8k per person per year on healthcare, the US spends something like 17k - it's fucking stupid over there. They're getting raped, and no one will do anything or say anything except bernie sanders!

Wow hong kong, guess theres something to all the powdered rhino horn and grasshopper dicks.

When people look for world-renowned surgeons and hospitals that won't make you wait a month or die from septic shock, they go to the USA.

because when i need to go to the hostpital i dont want to wait in line for 8 hours only to be told to go home and come back the next day, u cant have world class healthcare ad have it be paid for with only taxes

Thanks for answering that. And yeah... i didnt dare go to the hospital in America unless i was on my deathbed. Been in Australia 5 years and love it, not just the healthcare.

Kek Ausfag here. I went to the ED because it was late at night and had urinary tract infection symptoms, 2hrs in and out, all fixed.

Fuck your system.

The US doesn't have world class healthcare AND it's paid with taxes. You could instead have a government-run model that adds an increased tax but removes the requirement of buying a private plan.

It's only expensive because your disparate insurance system makes it so you have no purchasing power at all. A 1lite bag of saline solution costs the National Health Service in England $2.

In US it ends up on your bill average $700

UK population 65 million. NHS budget 114 billion. Zero co pay.

California has 35 million population

Source on that price please? Sounds kinda right but just curious..

nice cognitive dissonance

Unfortunately there is no cure for stupidity.

because in america staying alive isn't a right, it's a good

Just Google NHS budget 2016

well hey if your sick there is more money to be made off of you. Why fix someone when you can milk their insurance with shitty and expensive meds. I think restructuring/fixing heallth insurance would do a lot more than socializing healthcare.

Amerifags are the most controlled population in the world. They think they know everything despite been led around by their puppet masters...

The reason there is no universal health care is that US puppetmasters convince their sheep that health care like every other nation somehow wouldn't work... Just like global warming and a host of other issues. Amerifags are stupid, naive, and easily duped.

they have extreme insane prices at hospitals.
For example one pheblo that in EU costs circa 2$ in USA the price is boosted up to 127$

Theyr price are insane due to the insurance lobby that pays congressmen.
So is quite impossible to them to have an universal care healt because they will go bankrupt in less than one year.

also the idea that inherently paying more = a better service is retarded.

No! You have Syphilis!

guess where the majority of medical practitioners learn. pro tip, its not europe

Conservatives passed a law making it illegal for medicare to negotiate drug prices with pharma...

motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/drug-industry-pharmaceutical-lobbyists-medicare-part-d-prices/

Dont we wish the schools being good meant are care was good...

>When millionaires and rich fuck people look for world re....
Fixd

yeah cause US doctors all train abroad

US Health Care most expensive but literally the WORST in the developed world in terms of outcomes/results.

munknee.com/u-s-health-care-most-expensive-yet-worst-in-world-which-is-the-best/

Unfortunately, that doesn't have much to do with what patients end up receiving. The US certainly has superb practitioners, but the quality and consistency of care is pretty iffy. Some of that can be explained by the sheer size of the US, but not all.

How cucked do you have to be to say "I am willing to sacrifice the lives of tens of thousands, including myself, so that Soros can skip a 30-day queue when he gets prostate cancer".
This is your argument.

you also don't have tons of illegals or niggers to fuck the system up

Like good doctors = good care/system for providing care. Been to a hospital lately? The doctors are not the ones deciding how things go. The doctors are expected to see far more patients than is reasonable and to fill out too much paperwork. The combination means very little time for the "good" doctors to see their patients and actually give the care that they have been trained to give.

The US is last in health care because people in board room trying to maximize their profits are making the decisions on how the hospital operates, not the doctors.

It's cos the USA are backwards fuckers, too busy wanking over each others guns to get anything done.

This is what most people end up with in healthcare debates, they devolve to racism saying that niggers are expensive, ignoring the fact that ird white rednecks that account for 80% of medical bills and government assistance.

White niggers are not to blame for healthcare

Because we are a nation of states, not a single nation state.

Universal coverage also universally sucks. People in countries with such that can afford it use private clinics that charge rates closer to the US for actual good coverage.

I personally wouldn't want to live in a country where the death rate increases in the 4th quarter, not because of seasonal illnesses, but because they put off procedures until the next fiscal year because they ran out of money. This happens in the UK.

Yeah I'd say good health is very much IN demand

EU pharmafag here.

I have seen a lot of cases of USA average joes that come in my country for "tourism" only for have free acces to our hospitals and treatment.

this the problem isn't healthcare it's the fucking insurance wringing every cent they can out of everything.
>Obama says healthcare costs are high because not everyone has insurance
>Obamacare makes it so everyone has to have insurance
>insurance companies and healthcare systems just jack the price of everything higher because they know it will get covered

Russia, fags

Universal health coverage really can only work in homogeneous nations. It works alright currently in many European countries and Canada. With time though and them letting in more and more immigrants who will put further strain on the system. Those social benefits wont be possible.

If only the house or Senate could do something with their majority to negotiate prices with insurance companies. Its weird they don't, like they have some kind,d of interest it it being expensive...

those rednecks that account for 80% of med bills are niggers too bud, nigger doesn't mean black it means nigger

The US if full of sheep. Somehow big corporations running pharma and insurance companies have convinced the public that good affordable health care is not possible. This despite it being in every other country. Instead Amerifags think everyone else has worse care and that to save money we would have to lose quality.

Somehow Amerifags think that wealthy investors making millions of dollars on the backs of our poor couldn't be cut out without sacrificing quality. Like corporate profits in the insurance market somehow makes for quality care. lmao

Which is why it works in conjunction with a good educational system, teach people how to take care of themselves, recognise things, etc.. And it works quite well.

This is why it doesnt work in the US. Because you're all fucking retarded as fuck.

Except when you look at percentage. More blacks and Hispanics are on welfare and stay on welfare for longer than whites.

yeah but funny how no matter which party controls Congress that stays the same and never changes

I call white niggers rednecks, but that's just me. I only clarify cause here in tx people think its the blacks fault and I find it hilarious

Literally their only plan thus far was to give more power to insurance companies

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Per capita its still more whites. You might be right if you put blacks and Hispanics together wi

You do not have to negotiate the price of the insurances, but the price of the medicine.
Is useles to have an insurance that will cover only a maximum of 300$ bill if you end up spending 10k$ for a broken leg.

The exchange of a dollar for service or product defines modern america.

The idea of socialized health care belongs in a place where it can be widely accepted. Where people have it.

In america, you have to force people to enroll or face fines.
Because according to the previous president, the incentive is there, but the people were too racist, fickle, and stupid to want what someone told them to want. (In a sense, government has to hold a gun to your head).

To answer your question op, no. Not all americans want it.
Not when capitalist economy is in motion.

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that's because we literally have schools were teaching proper English is banned cause 'it's racist" and nothing is ever the students fault it's the systems for not understanding them and people pick which University they want to go to based on what the party scene is like or how good it's football team is. the goal of schools here isn't to teach anyone, its to babysit brats for bad parents

Yeah, I've heard about that. IIRC one of Donald Trump's pals broke his leg on one of Trump's golf courses in Scotland. He went to the local hospital, got fixed up straight away, and then asked "what's the bill?". He was shocked to find out that it was free of charge, and that it was all covered by the government.
I can't find a source on that, so it might be hearsay, but it's still a realistic scenario, and Trump has cheered for single-payer before, even specifically mentioning Scotland.

A state at its finest.

It's legal for them to invest in individual companies, which is some fucking bullshit

>mfw a biotech goes bankrupt and congressmen lose millions by being retarded
>fortune.com/2017/06/27/chris-collins-biotech-stock-loss/

because corporations run America and want to keep profits high

Oh yeah. In the US we get our surgeries immediately.... Or actually we wait longer than the rest of the developed world

theguardian.com/society/2015/aug/25/gp-appointment-waiting-times-in-us-worse-than-nhs

There are plenty of 'capitalist' economies with universal health care, it's just americans who have been brainwashed to think it wont work. YOu can't have all capitalism, it's just as bad as all socialism. Retard.

No, Italian here, if I have a silly problem I want to solve fast without queues I go to a private hospital (we have that here) and the treatment is deductible from taxes. If I have a major problem that must be solved fast I jump ahead in all public hospitals in the country and I only have to chose the best one for my particular problem (there are cities better for stomach issues, other for bones ecc)

And as you can see it works really well , actually too well, we can't afford the current retirement system cause people live for too long

Bullshit, link a school that wont teach English cause racism. You must believe anything

>This
As an average retard American, I agree with this 100% our country is build on some pretty cool foundation but our people are nothing but shit filled, vile creatures who do absolutely nothing but walk all over whoever they can, and then complain and cry about it when someone finally stands up and says 'fuck you fatty' America is nothing but a business. If you're sick or poor, you aren't worth the time. Why do you think poverty stays how it is? Sure most people blame blacks or immigration, but I don't see any white person out there actually trying to make a difference. If it doesn't make you a profit here, then seriously, it's a waste of time. That's just about the only thing the American government, people, and public schooling has taught me here. AND I can't go anywhere else because nobody likes or wants Americans in their countries and I don't blame them. So I'm stuck here listening to all this bullshit that's caused by our own self-doing. A nation of nothing but ignorance and "victims"

this is why most middle class jobs in the US have health benefits, we arent paying over 50% of our income to the government and can still get in and out of a health clinic in 30 mins or less

this is the answer to OP's question now everyone go to bed.

Someone shop a Bernie face onto her.

Well name a few just to clarify. Since im retarded and cant think for myself.

dont u wish...

only emergency room care works like that

check this

fuck off newfag

>his is why most middle class jobs in the US have health benefits, we arent paying over 50% of our income to the government
No, you're paying 30%+, plus private health insurance costs that increase 20%-30% per year, and your employer is paying the rest instead of paying it to you, contributing to the stagnation of wages as necessary benefits rise.

You're right, the government dosent take 50% its closer to 35% .

There's been plenty of examples in this thread if you would bother to read it..

Australia
UK
Canada (although not the best implementation)
Ireland
etc.

If u think your employer paying is magic, your wrong. You would make a lot more if they did not have to shoulder that burden.

No it shouldn't be. Americans should wake up and stop being frauds. The American people is just as much to blame as the people in power they put there. America is ignorant. That's why. This has absolutely nothing to do with money at the end of the day, but all about 'you get a job cause I'm not paying for your shit' when honestly it wouldn't make that much of a fucking difference.

That is literally what I said my dude

>buzzword buzzword
>do i fit in yet
Shoop requests have been made here since the dawn of Sup Forums.

Wow. Another american who has been brainwashed. How surprising. I'm an upper middle income earner and dont pay anywhere near that. Go do your research and get your mind out of your american shithole gutter.

your still a newfag

Not as much, they're completely to blame. We get what we deserve, I hate the fucks but America deserves trump and the rest of its leadership. It pains me cause I love my country, but its full of retards

Wow the sage is strong with this one

the only people getting stagnation of wages are the lower class working for fucking minimum wage. I'm getting paid with health benefits and im still making over 1k a week after taxes with no degree

LOL u eurotards mirin our glorious monetized healthcare system? You wish you could pay 50k+ for a simple medical operation. Enjoy your working healthcare system fags LOL