I've never seen this discussed here before. ITT: share your opinion on the 'gay germ' hypothesis.
Gregory Cochran, physicist and adjunct professor at the university of Utah has developed the hypothesis that homosexuality is caused by a pathogen [1] - either a virus or a bacterium. There are several good reasons to believe this may be the case.
- The low hereditability of homosexuality (0.22) [2] - The absence of homosexuality in hunter-gatherer populations - The relatively high frequency of homosexuality (~4% in the west) - The lack of any plausible evolutionary explanation.
In short, a lack of sexual interest by males in females would be an evolutionary penalty. If it were caused by a 'gay gene', the trait would have been selected out long ago because of a lack of reproductive fitness. Also, the frequency is too high to be caused by a mutation.
There are various examples of infectious agents altering behavior: [3]
- Rabies causes dogs to be more aggressive in the final stage of the disease. - Influenza causes humans to be more social in the days prior to the noticeable effects. - Toxoplasma causes rats to be (sexually) attracted to cat urine.
There are many more examples of behavior-altering agents (mostly viruses). This leads us to the conclusion that a pathogen changing sexual orientation is far from impossible. It would explain the frequency in western population and the absence in hunter-gatherers.
Furthermore, there is the interesting phenomenon of homophobia. Homophobia isn't an actual phobia, but an aversion of gays. Interestingly, homophobia actually is heritable, much more so than homosexuality (around 0.5) [4]. If it is heritable, what purpose does it serve? In particular, what purpose does it serve if homosexuality is caused by a pathogen?
Research has been done on the nature of homophobia, and this research has found that it exists strongest with regard to homosexuals' contact with children. A subjective 'degree of discomfort' was found much higher when confronted with a scenario of gay people who hold a profession that involved contact with children (such as pediatrician or teacher) than with gay people who were e.g. lawyers or construction workers. A second study showed that for different types of medical doctors, a high degree of contact with children (e.g. child psychiatrist) induced more discomfort than an invasive procedure (e.g. brain surgeon) but only for gay doctors. Two more studies clearly suggested that homophobia is aimed at preventing children, particularly younger children, from being exposed to homosexuals. [5]
What if homophobia is aimed at preventing the spread of the pathogen that causes homosexuality?
Cochran asserts that it’s not likely that the pathogen is spread by homosexual sex. How the putative pathogen is spread is not clear at this time. Even less clear is whether there is a “critical period” for this infection to affect sexual orientation. It’s also not clear how prevalent the pathogen is in the population, or what percentage of infected individuals become homosexual.
Regardless of how the pathogen is spread, it likely that extended periods of fairly close contact with an infected individual is more likely to result in transmission of the infectious agent. If there is a critical period of time, say some time in childhood, for an infection to result in sexual orientation being altered, the evolutionary purpose of homophobia starts to become more apparent.
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Asher Rodriguez
Indeed, the existence of homophobia may stand as pretty good evidence in support of Greg Cochran’s pathogenic hypothesis for homosexuality. Indeed, for as many have pointed out, homosexuals are otherwise harmless and indeed perhaps beneficial to other males in the group (reduced competition for females, for example). That gays are nonetheless hated seems hard to explain otherwise.
One possible way to test Cochran’s hypothesis is to observe if there is a higher incidence of homosexuality among the adopted children of homosexuals. Using adoptees controls for heredity, and presumably, sharing a household should give plenty of opportunity for the pathogen to be passed on to the adopted child. Ideally, the study should look only at children adopted very young, from strangers (to minimize selection bias among the adopted children). If higher rates of homosexuality were observed among these adopted children, it would point to some environmental factor – the most likely being infection.
The low, but non-zero heritability of male homosexuality may be indicative of some sort of genetic susceptibility to the pathogen, perhaps through weakened defenses or a vulnerable neural architecture.
If homosexuality is indeed caused by an infectious agent, it would have broad implications for society, particularly the prospect of being able to prevent homosexuality (perhaps through a vaccine).
NOTE: In this post I borrowed heavily from a blog post by JayMan [6]. He explains it very well, and has numerous links as source.
What's the matter, Sup Forums? Not enough memes in this thread?
Colton Gray
>Toxoplasmosis Was wondering how long this would take. Now tell us about how vaccines cause autism and how coconut oil is really healthy.
Jonathan Sanders
DAS RITE
Jayden Smith
nah for most people it's caused by porn addiction
for the worst of faggots it's usually caused by child sexual abuse
Christopher Murphy
Interesting, but I'm skeptical. How would this man rationalize the extremely homosexual culture of people like the Ancient Greeks or Spartans, for instance?
Daniel King
What are you on about? The attraction of infected rats and mice to cat urine has been shown numerous times.
Also note how I'm not pointing to T. gondii as the causal pathogen. I'm merely using it as an example of a behavioral altering virus.
Sebastian Peterson
don't forget hormonal influences though. namely xenoestrogens such as BPA.
I believe xenoestrogens + porn are the main cause for those who aren't abused as children
Luis Cook
It's the most logical explanation yet for homosexuality.
Sup Forums will deny it tho because it's full of shills.
Jason Wright
>the lack of any plausible evolutionary explanation
It's called population cap user. As we are reaching population cap and have no real danger other than other humans it would make sense that a small portion of the population no longer would have the desire to breed.
You can see this from the affects on society as well as just gays popping up behind every anus.
Jonathan King
I propose an experiment:
Take a hundred faggots, and send them to a cannibalistic tribe.
Wait and see if they start fucking each other in the poop-chute.
Jose Hill
I think porn is the more logical explanation just go to Sup Forums, you'll see the real reason so many people are becoming gay is because they're addicted to porn and need something new to get off because they've damaged their brain.
unless said pathogen has been released in the air/water supply to begin with.
Angel Turner
There is no clear explanation for the rampant homosexuality among ancient greeks and romans within this theory, but a few theories include:
- Genetic receptivity to the pathogen plays a part and was more prevalent among ancient mediterranean races - The virus had just been introduced in Europe around that time and people had not yet developed immunity
Daniel Kelly
if it's just a virus, explain how so many people who are addicted to porn from a young age have reported having their sexual orientation change over time.
Unless said virus causes hypersexuality /bisexuality in general and anyone who becomes a porn addict already has it
Austin Morgan
This could also make sense. However, we probably need more studies on the subject to be sure.
Andrew Howard
Yes, it's a virus and can be cured with homeopathy
before you think a vaccine could help consider this
Kayden Smith
>low hereditability of homosexuality Perhaps it's because gays don't have children?
Xavier Jackson
You talk about the 'goal' of homosexuality rather than the cause. Even if it is a population cap mechanism (which it very well might be), what makes people gay?
Angel Moore
Sup Forums will accept this as fact solely because it gives them ammunition against homosexuals.
Henry Morris
That's a meme. Gays very much do have children. Enough to perform statistical analysis on heritability.
>the lack of any plausible evolutionary explanation Gay uncle theory. A child with a gay uncle has an evolutionary advantage over one with a straight uncle.
Oliver Perez
Are there studies about the supposed link between porn and homosexuality? I'm not dismissing it, but I'm curious if there's anything beyond anecdotal evidence.
Caleb Howard
i know a guy who found gay porn on his dad's computer. he came out of the closet after that
Christopher White
I think the prevalence of homosexuality in the West corresponds to the dominance of women in Western cultures. Look at Sweden. They are completely cucked by women. And look how gay they are. Now look at Saudi Arabia. No gays.
Owen Allen
I think there's a difference between homos who actually act and those who are just porn addicts who may even be disgusted by the real thing. This explains the trap fetish being spread over the internet.
Cooper Phillips
its been a while since Sup Forums shitted on homos its refreshing after all the trumpsucking and nazi threads
Gabriel Howard
but really I think one of the major factors has been porn jews pushing anal, starting with introducing it to "straight" porn.
If it is a germ maybe it can be acquired through straight anal or oral sex as well. Still I have my doubts that it isn't mostly psychological
Angel Morgan
>The absence of homosexuality in hunter-gatherer populations because they probably have more gay sex and bonding without the modern western relationship archetype.
Jason Allen
A fetish only becomes a fetish if it is taboo.
If it's not taboo anymore, the fetish is normalized, and there's no more appeal to it.
No, just the text of the post on a transparent background. Sup Forums (or maybe Sup Forums X) generated them automatically for some reason and it looked weird.
Wyatt Roberts
The Forbidden Fruit is the cause of sin.
DUH
Juan Young
Its a fetish and Poor mental health Furries,Cross dressers, American prisoners.
How a lack of sexual satisfaction warps into a lifestyle filling in a bottomless void.
Dylan Sanchez
You are now free to continue with your daily programming that the "red pill" has anything whatsoever to do with being "right wing".
Aaron Martinez
and female/sexual liberation has to varying degrees turned a lot of men into mental prisoners.
Benjamin Evans
"red pill" is about joining the evil side. it's being initiated into the masonic lodge.
the real "conservative" takes NO PILLS
Nicholas Diaz
The most telling sign is that so many "red pillers" worship Rome and the Vatican
Thomas Jackson
You're not getting it, are you?
The fetish only has its appeal because you're not supposed to have it.
Nobody has any fetishes that don't create controversy.
Benjamin Walker
If homosexuality had a bacterial or viral cause we'd be able to detect it pretty easily. We know for a fact that the brain of a gay person is different from that of a straight person, and we know why that is. We even understand the mechanism by which the brain develops into male or female during gestation. This means that the bacteria would be influencing the pregnant mother primarily. It would be the root cause of the abnormal hormonal cycle which influences the sex characteristics of the developing child. Finding a new strain of bacteria in the blood stream of pregnant mothers would be incredibly easy due to all the prenatal care that mothers receive.
Its far more likely that diet, stress, physical health, and excess estrogen-like compounds in the environment are the cause.
Dominic Anderson
the issue is that modern counterculture since the 60's has made creating controversy the new norm, so everything's twisted to the point where being "normal" will be the new controversy soon
Ryder Bennett
Just go to /r9k/ for an example. People come and make threads about how great it is to be a "normie" just to trigger them. Also the "normcore" hipster trend.
Being normal is the new controversial thing.
Jackson Martin
user, things were never "better" in the past.
The fetishes were still there, but there was no avenue to express them.
What you're complaining about is that people everywhere don't give a shit how upset it makes you.
Cooper Ortiz
source on 'no homosexuality in hunter-gatherers.'?
Jonathan Collins
>Teenagers on Sup Forums know what the scientists don't even know because they read some bullshit online Yes, and lifting weights can turn a girl into a boy because muh hormones muh test.
Jonathan Wright
what I care about is that people aren't raising children in stable families as much as in the past. Regardless of fetishes and sexual preferences, people HAD to have stable families to SURVIVE.
the modern era ruined this.
Chase Torres
If it's a pathogen, it can be isolated and studied. A virus, bacteria or similar would be found.
Where is that bacteria/virus?
Luke Nguyen
- Rabies causes dogs to be more aggressive in the final stage of the disease. - Influenza causes humans to be more social in the days prior to the noticeable effects. - Toxoplasma causes rats to be (sexually) attracted to cat urine.
What do all of these have in common? They are relatively short-lived, and result in more than just behavioral changes, for instance fever or other abnormal signs or symptoms. Your average fag isn't usually showing outward signs of infection (except AIDS, obviously...), and is usually gay for a large part of their life. To me, your examples do not show a valid similarity between infections that alter behavior and being a fag. In fact, they seem to show the opposite.
Jackson Butler
So yeah the nature of man was equally bad in the past but it was kept in check by nature (less technology) and institutions like the church, for the betterment of all.
Tyler Davis
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Hunter Jones
>what I care about is that people aren't raising children in stable families as much as in the past. Vaguaries of perception, Mr. Anderson.
We all see what we want to see.
It goes in cycles in every civilization. But now there is no where left for you to run.
The Apocalypse is here now.
Jesus will save you. He promises.
Nolan Morales
>Because I believe one thing I must also believe this other completely unrelated thing. Good god you are retarded. LITERALLY not an argument you faggot.
This has to be bait but just to shut you up here are five articles demonstrating the link between t. gondii infected mice/rats and attraction to cat urine.
is it better to bother with family in this era then, or remain celibate?
Ian Butler
>>Jesus will save you
are you implying that He was OK with homosexuality and sexual deviance? The bible says otherwise
Nicholas Morris
There is none. I know for a fact that homosexuality is found in all societies. It usually is considered normal.
In addition there are plausible evolutionary explanations for homosexual behavior (gay uncle theory for example).
Jack Long
The voluntary human extinction movement is not just a meme.
Zachary Gray
Why does the pathogen have to be biological material in nature? Memes can just as easily be considered a virus.
David Sanders
ok you're a retarded Gnostic/Manichean
Dominic Peterson
>are you implying that He was OK with homosexuality and sexual deviance? I'm making a mockery of your beliefs user. He's not coming. You're delusional. It gives me great pleasure when mentally ill people kill themselves.
Oliver Brooks
How you think Jesus is in any compatible with illuminist beliefs like Bruno's is ridiculous. you probably believe in reincarnation and all sorts of other shit like that too
>>Christians are mentally ill >>men who enjoy getting fucked in the butt and developing anal fissures after many years of it are perfectly sane
Ethan Long
But plenty of people know they're gay before watching porn regularly. Any gay dude I've talked to has said that since puberty they've just never felt attraction to women
Carter Miller
the Matrix is anti-Christian propaganda written by two trannies
Connor Foster
OP, where/what would this "gay germ" or pathogen be?
That's the usual connotation of pathogen, and OP distinctly said virus/bacteria.
>literally suggesting homophilia is a meme I'm sure there's social forces at play, but not defining.
Bentley Cruz
that's why I think there's two types of fags. the ones who were always that way and the ones who are conditioned that way later in life by things like porn
Robert Brooks
EVERYONE IS INSANE
Parker Sanchez
and I bet you think YOU're the only sane one
Lucas Fisher
Yes. Yes it is.
Connor Campbell
This would imply densely populated societies would show higher rates of homosexuality and that doesn't seem universally true. By this logic South and east Asia would be the gayest places in the world but they're not
Carter Adams
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Owen James
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Jaxon Brown
>Gregory Cochran, physicist, offers opinion on subject he has never studied using credentials in a separate scientific field to help accreditate his opinions.
WeW
Aiden Harris
I used to have an EE student roommate. He firmly believes that if a dude's semen landed on your butt cheeks or anywhere on your ass, you'll instantly turn gay. But then again he used to believe in spontaneous generation, too. Unrelated question: Do engineering students take Bio classes...at all?
Eli Jenkins
But there's zero evidence for that. Porn usage is widespread and has been for at least a decade and not to mention homosexuality has existed years before it even existed. If porn did cause homosexuality it would be common to hear about straight guys that turned gay much later in life but that is fairly rare.
Cooper Sullivan
This doesn't explain the big brother effect, unfortunately. Perhaps it is partially caused by a pathogen and partially caused by prenatal hormone exposure.
Zachary Cooper
I don't think it causes straight people to become fully gay and hate women, but it causes bisexual tendencies things like an anal fetish where guys want to fuck a hole regardless of sex.
I do think there's a difference between the average trap loving Sup Forums tard and a homo who has only ever liked men
Mason Baker
CURE WHEN?!
Ayden Hughes
Yeah I agree with that. Porn could definitely lead people to fetishes but being genuinely gay seems like something else
Bentley Gray
It's a brain infection.
Jace Hall
Single cause theories will go nowhere.
Childhood trauma Peer influence Sexual aversions Wanting to decorate in a fabulous manner Psychological issues
There's probably too many to list.
Zachary Cooper
Homosexuality is a psychological disorder based on the lack of gender typical identification. If women hold more power the natural dualism of masculinity and femininity gets deconstructed. If a man can't identify with masculinity(being the potent) he gains an inferiority complex that he feels not worthy for a woman, so he is devaluing woman at all and idealises men. He is trying to reach masculinity through submissions of other men by using feminine features.
Source is a book about psycho analysis and psychosis.
Benjamin Carter
I'm pretty sure a child molestation increases higher chance of sexual deviation. I'm convinced it's childhood trauma followed by homosexual identity guidance.
Zachary Gutierrez
why?
Gavin Williams
>wanting to decorate in a fabulous manner
jej
Ayden Gonzalez
I side more with the immune response theory while in the womb. Basically after a woman has one male child she is more likely to give birth to a gay male child, likely due to some kind of changes in her womb and her body's response to a male child. Most gay men have older brothers. Wouldn't explain everything but sounds legit to me if you look it up.
Xavier Martinez
Gayfag here. Born gay, both siblings are straight. Parents tried their hardest to cure me (cars, boxing, karate etc) since early childhood, so no external influence.
My favorite theory is the Padova one. Homosexuality is supposedly caused by a "hyperfeminine" gene carried by some women. Such gene make them more fertile, beautiful and overall more feminine/submissive, thus having more children. Male offspring are born with female brains and turn either into gays or transgenders or what else (nurture comes here). Gene is passed on by the sisters, preventing it from being eliminated by natural selection while keeping the gay population small but steady.
The theory is good because it explains how common are the combos faghag mom/gay son; masculine dad (who got himself a "top" female)/gay son or gay father/straight son (males can't pass on the gene)
Easton Rogers
God i would love if this turned out to be true... Nice read, but as some user said, xenoe's and sexual molestation play the important role IMO
>american education You didn't even read all of his posts, admit it. If you did, then i feel sorry for you
Jayden Lewis
Cochran once also mentioned an animal, a ram, that has about 10% of its population exclusively homosexual. The only other species where exclusive homosexuality exists is man. Since man and this type of sheep, or whatever it is, used to share living space, this also points towards a pathogen.
Chase Peterson
great, you explained bottom gays, and what about top ones?
Daniel Cox
this makes sense intuitively but does not explain homos before there was widespread access to porn.
Leo Fisher
>Top Gays
Sounds like a TV show where they drive around in classic cars giving reviews of Bed and Breakfast's, while. All done in an English accent.
Dominic James
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Josiah Bailey
I work in a hospital m8, HIV dementia and Toxoplasmosis encephalitis are everyday cases in the infectology ward (to this day I have yet to see one of these in a heterosexual)
Levi Smith
wash the gay away twice a day
Brandon Butler
This is amazing, it should be proposed to a big laboratory, institute or university, run viral PCR's and bacterial culturesin homosexuals brain tissue and compare it to normal people. If a pathogen is actually there we could prevent homosexuality and start treating homosexuals like the sick people they are
Blake Morgan
I personally have more important things to worry about then why men stick things in their ass.
