Trump claims he will rebuild the military, but US military budget is ridiculously high, what's his point?

Trump claims he will rebuild the military, but US military budget is ridiculously high, what's his point?

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He's an idiot who makes no sense. I wouldn't take anything he says at this point seriously because he will probably contradict it later.

He's an obese cocaine addict with advanced dementia so his brain tends to generate some silly ideas.

US military budget is a mess. It's extremely wasteful, inefficient, and bloated. Funding the US military is far more expensive that has any right to be.

literally every politician ever

He intends to worsen
by spending more to support the military industrial complex while neglecting things soldiers might actually need, like body armor or psychiatric care

At least when we want to sanitize a mountain we'll have plenty of other wise useless bombs

>tfw my country doesn't even need a military because the US spends so much on theirs
>Spend all that freed up money on education, healthcare and infrastructure

Feels great

>those a bit budget can help reeducate dropout americans
>those a bit budget can help fixing healthcare problems
>those a bit budget can help space exploration and new science development
>those a bit budget can help lower a bit inflation, especially the properties one
>instead those all fuckin budget went into another war

You need to be mentally retarded to waste than much money on military

It's because so much of it goes to contractors

Good for the (((contractors))), must be good being field with taxes payers money

Maybe so, but Trump is a special kind of stupid.

yeah? On what ground do you say that?
Are you an expert or have any history of military service in the US?

No.
The US invests only 3.3% of it's GDP on the military while countries like Russia and Saudi Arabia spend much more.

But of course the US will spend more, it's the biggest economy and has lots of allies and responsibilities around the world.

Only a fraction of the budget goes into operations and "war"

Most of the budget goes into weapons procurement, pay/healthcare/education/other benefits, bases, etc.

You can say the same about every military in the world. At the end of the day you need a military and the US is the best equiped military. By % of GDP we do not spend that much more although it is above world average.

military is the only budget republicucks can agree on increasing

it doesn't matter if it makes no sense to do so, if you're a republican you'll cut spending on healthcare and increase the defense budget, because freedom isn't free

It's funny that you spend more money as a % of GDP than we do, yet you still talk shit.
How about you drop your military and instead invest in your people?

3.3% of the GDP of USA isnt 3.3% of the GDP in Russia and Saudi Arabia
you are a derranged paranoid fuck, the cold war is over and the US still spends more than all his possible enemies combined

>those a bit budget can help reeducate dropout americans
ok
>those a bit budget can help space exploration and new science development
ok
>those a bit budget can help lower a bit inflation, especially the properties one
good one
>those a bit budget can help fixing healthcare problems
>mfw

% of GDP is a stupid measure though. There's a ceiling of what a 300 millions people country needs to spend on protecting itself, and the fact that usa is the wealthiest country on earth doesn't negate that fact.

You don't have to keep increasing your military spending because your agriculture grew, just because muh 3%

>the one autistic Sup Forumstard who tries to defend "le amerigan suberioridy :DDD"
>mfw

Cut the shit, it's not cute.
The American military has fucking nothing to do with protecting Americans and everything to do with political interests around the world in places it has no fucking business being involved with.

Nominal values are misleading. Use PPP instead. Chinese and Russians don't have to pay American wages to develop new weapon systems. They also don't have to obey American environmental law to mine the resources required for producing military equipment.

>>Most of the budget goes into weapons procurement, pay/healthcare/education/other benefits

burger mentality

>$100 staplers

>and responsibilities around the world
>responsibilities
Fuck off idiot. It has no responsibilities in installing military based around the world, encircling china with rockets, etc.
Funny how people will call these aggressive, terrorist actions as "responsibilities" while China has billions of people and America is shrieking when the Chinese government wants to defend it's own waters, waters which America is spending millions in tax payer money waving their dick around in with warships, having the fucking gall to be that far away from America and calling China aggressive and in need of keeping tabs on.
What a fucking load of shit. The American military industry is nothing but a highly connected terrorist organisation, toppling governments in nations which have nothing to do with the American people in order to install leaders they want, etc. Actions which by definition make them a terrorist group.

This is partly why people hate America, for good fucking reason.

American infantry is literally weaker than Russian today
Big percent of this budget is going into jews owning military companies pockets

To cover up hollow earth

The point is that proportionally to one's economic size, the US doesn't spend that much more than others.
It makes much more sense for rich countries to spend more on defense and pretty much any other thing than poorer countries.

The military helps the countries secure its territory and INTERESTS.

healthcare is useless if a muslim blows you up or runs you over with a truck

>This portion of the military budget comprises roughly one third to one half of the total defense budget, considering only military personnel or additionally including civilian personnel, respectively. These expenditures "will likely always be, the single largest expense category for the Department." Since 2001, military pay and benefits have increased by 85%, but remained roughly one third of the total budget due to an overall increased budget. Military pay remains at about the 70th percentile compared to the private sector to attract sufficient amounts of qualified personnel.
thebalance.com/u-s-military-budget-components-challenges-growth-3306320
businessinsider.com/how-the-us-military-spends-its-billions-2015-8
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States

The info is a little hard to pierce together, but the fact remains.

The foreign contingency budget isn't even part of the budget that you guys are discussing. So, bombing ISIS isn't even in there.

most of that budget goes in salaries. chinese salaries are 1/10 of american ones.

t. Liu Xifeng

I don't care if they want to encircle China or not.
The military secure the US interests, and if it's in our interests to keep china contained for as long as we can, then so be it. Weep and cry, wang. You can't do shit.

I think Chomsky put it well when he said that by any definition of terrorism the United States is the leading terrorist organization.

>Death from muslim trucks in Sweden in the past 5000 years - 3
>Death from being fat and getting shot in America in the past 5 hours - 164

sent impulses through my crainum

A lot of tec they develop is serving civilians worldwide, thanks god they invest all of these money.
Also military industry generate tons of jobs bad, medium and good jobs, a lot of scientist around the world migrate to US, all of these money isn't a bad investment, it helps to keep them as a innovation center.

Superpower dominate.
Cry all you want.

US interests will have priority to your or any other country, so just accept that fact.

How does it feel living in a country with no identity?

good one, muhammad.

Very proud of our bootlicking are we?

>american said this

It's is common knowledge. Decay has been spreading for two decades. The military's decline didn't begin during the Obama years. It started when defence secretary Dick Cheney decided a quarter-century ago that the Soviet Union's collapse warranted killing a hundred major weapons programs.

>t. 54%

>bootlicking
Your the only one here sucking foreing cock.

America can do nothing but complain, like when we sent aid to vietnam during the war. Still better than Russia and North Korea who threaten rape which never comes.

Americans have an identity, they just have no culture.

I would guess streamlining the bureaucracy and eliminating the $1 trillion in unaccounted for funds would be a start.

>Americans have an identity
do tell, what is this identity? 320 million people from every corner of the earth

>le us vs them meme
Just because you're cheerful about you tax dollars going to politicians pointless wars to destabilize the world and fund fucking terrorists again and again doesn't mean we all are so enthused.

Into a melting pot in Dixie or the Union. Götar aren't Svear but they still think of themselves as Swedish.

>comparing two tribes from over a millenia ago vs USA

just lmaoing at you

You mean exactly how you and the entire world complains when the US puts its interests at the foremost.

When trump said that his presidency would focus on America. the entire would went on a crying spree. Why did it surprise so many people that an American president will put America first? I don't know. But for some reason it enraged a lot of people.

Well considering that we were kind of allies, you deciding to aid them was kind of a dick move. Anyways, nobody gives a shit, and it's long forgotten whether Sweden had anything to do with the war.

>Truman signed the Economic Cooperation Act into law on April 3, 1948; the Act established the Economic Cooperation Administration (ECA) to administer the program. ECA was headed by economic cooperation administrator Paul G. Hoffman. In the same year, the participating countries (Austria, Belgium, Denmark, France, West Germany, the United Kingdom, Greece, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, and the United States) signed an accord establishing a master financial-aid-coordinating agency, the Organization for European Economic Cooperation (later called the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development or OECD), which was headed by Frenchman Robert Marjolin.
Funny how you open your mouth to american dick, but never expect to pay back.

>What is something mutually beneficial

When you trade something it's usually in both parties' interest, or there would be a trade. Not realizing this is what will be the end of america's hegemony.

The reason Trump created a cryingspree is because he is completely detached from reality and tweets nonsensical beliefs and opinions thrice a day. The world has never regarded America for being an altruistic force, you have always acted with your own interests in mind, no matter the cost.

>funding terrorists
You have more baseless and stupid claims than anyone here.

I'm not saying it's US vs Them.
But any country will certainly prioritize its interest above any other. Sweden or any other European country will always seek their benefit rather than the US. this is a competition, and no country truly has any friends. Just temporary allies.

Most of Europe sides with the US because it is in their interests. Not because they have some appreciation for who we are or what we do. A quarter of a million American men died in WWII, but that is irrelevant because, trump is a fascists right? As soon as you diverge from their narrative or how they think the world should be run, they will desert and seek their own policies. It's common sense.

Why is Saudi Arabias so high? What are they planning????

Not EVERY case is mutually beneficial.
How would it had benefitted the world to have saddam taken over Kuwait in in the 90s? No fucking way. That's why the war took place.

That is just an example. Black ops and numerous others military and political offensives are intended to secure US interests when no negotiations will.

The Marshall plan was very beneficial for the US. So whatever the point of your lesson is, it's complete shit.

They're the biggest importer of military equipment, which is probably considerably more expensive than simply constructing it. Also I think they want to kill the whole peninsula but keep running into coalitions.

>How would it had benefitted the world to have saddam taken over Kuwait in in the 90s?

I'm talking about agreements, not actions. Actions can even be mutually destructive.

>The world has never regarded America for being an altruistic force
No country has ever been truly "altruistic."
But some countries have been more generous than others. The right mentality and philosophy also helps.

The modern international economic, and political order was put in place by the US. The UN, IMF, WTO, Human rights, Etc. Those were all US lead institutions that have been applied to the world. They have benefitted the entire world, but they have also benefitted America.

America acts in it's interests, but it doesn't mean that you don't benefit from it. Marshall plan helped US good and surpluses to be invested in areas like Europea, helping US markets and companies. but it also rebuild your fucking coutnries. So, not entirely altruistic. But definitely good for you.

Yes, agreements can be mutually beneficial. But they can also be one sided, and not in the least beneficial to one party.

In other cases, agreements simply cannot be reached.
For example, Do you think North korea would be willing to negotiate and abandon their nuclear program? Absolutely not.
should the US feel threatened enough, a war would neutralize that threat. Because it is in the interest of the US to do so.

They buy shinny american toys, but their army is as much of a joke as the rest of the armies in the Middle East barring Israel.

The only reason they wouldn't abandon it is because Saddam chose to fully cooperate with America and let in their nuclear inspectors, who probably just sized up the land, fabricated a lie about WMDs and then invaded anyway.

In reality NK doesn't need nukes, they're already protected by being the perfect bulwark for China against America.

>No country has ever been truly "altruistic."
I explained the reasoning behind the outrage of electing a living meme as president, it had nothing to do with America First(tm) as you claimed.
>IMF, WTO
Both immensely beneficial to the US, who could pretty much decide all terms in their favor because of their position during Bretton Woods. Does not at all benefit the entire world.

Your last paragraph is just repeating.

I'm 100% certain that the money is not spent as efficiently as it should. But the amount spent is hardly too much. They have many millions of soldiers and support personnel that have to be paid a living wage and provided with proper health care and food.
And unlike Europeans who can get by with a symbolic military and old equipment that would prove completely obsolete in a confrontation with a modern military, the Americans need to invest in research and development of new technologies, so they can stay on top. And so they can be ready in case an armed conflict should arise.
Just because we've been at peace for the past seventy years, it does not mean that it will last forever.
So thank you America for retaining the ability to protect us in case shit does at some point hit the fan.

No two countries have ever handled a confrontation as responsible as the US and the Soviet Union. The opportunities for war were endless, the war never happen. Europe destroyed itself in 31 years between 1914 and 1945. Europe likes to call US and the Russians cowboys and warmongers. Imagine if the gentlemen of 1914, or 1939 had nuclear weapons.

>fully cooperate with America and let in their nuclear inspectors, who probably just sized up the land, fabricated a lie about WMDs and then invaded anyway.
So, UN inspectors are working for US interests now? The UN and US worked separately. The US used the reports by UN inspectors regarding the attitude of Saddam and the unsatisfactory measures by Iraq to rid itself of its WMDs. But in no way did they worked together to drive a narrative and help set the stage for the US invasions.

Inspectors later left Iraq, and the same was done on Syria. If the US wanted to invade North Korea it would have done so already. before their missiles can reach North America.

The soviets were always the ones to back off though, the US would gladly have ushered eternal nuclear winter upon the earth if it meant sticking a flag in moskva

I was referring to the "American First" statement.
I totally agree that Trump's statements can be outright nonsensical. But it's "American First" that got so much attention and criticism. As if we are obliged to help.

>Both immensely beneficial to the US, who could pretty much decide all terms in their favor because of their position during Bretton Woods. Does not at all benefit the entire world.
Countries aren't obliged to be part of those institutions, but they are because it helps them and it built the modern international trading system and economy.

It definitely put the US in an advantageous position. But like I said before. It helped a lot of other parties. "Mutually Beneficial" No?

My last paragraph is trying to get you to acknowledge the fact that the marshall plan and many US led projects have brought lots of benefit and prosperity to all parties. Dismissing them on the basis that they weren't pure charity is just being picky and childish.

God, I wish Poland, Italy and all other European nations invested more in the military instead of social programs for the """""""refugees""""""

Really?
What about the US refusing to Nuke China during the Korean war?
Or the US restraining the military from taking over North Vietnam so as to not involve China.
What about the Nuclear proliferation pact and numerous other arms treaties that were brought up by the US?

What about them? If america had nuked china your argument would've been "What about the US refusing to Nuke China even more during the Korean war?"

Even suggesting to Nuke China got McArthur fired and forced to retire.
You consider that the actions of a country that "would gladly have ushered eternal nuclear winter upon the earth if it meant sticking a flag in moskva"

The only clear case where the Soviets backed off were during the Cuban crisis. Most other scenarios they didn't back off or were so petty and stupid that they weren't willing to fight. In most cases they started the whole debacle to begin with. Like the Berlin blockade.

The more they spend on the military the more the rich get richer. War is profit .

GPD is a stupid metric for a nation so reliant on foreign business and investment. If the US were truly self-sufficient and didn't have such insurmountable debt its GPD wouldn't be so high.

>GPD is a stupid metric for a nation so reliant on foreign business and investment

The US is one of the least export dependent countries in the world.
data.worldbank.org/indicator/NE.EXP.GNFS.ZS?year_high_desc=false

The US has a tremendously big domestic market. I don't know where you want to get with respect to foreign investment. All countries have foreign investment in particular London and Britain as a whole.

% of GDP is a better measure than just taking a raw number. The US is so much more wealthy that measuring military expenditure with respect to them is a dubious comparison.

The best measure I could find was this:
>National (net) wealth, also net wealth (in Singapore), national net worth, gross national wealth (GNW), and total national wealth, is the total sum value of monetary assets minus liabilities of a given nation. It refers to the total value of wealth possessed by the citizens of a nation at a set point in time.[1] This figure is an important indicator of a nation's ability to take on debt and sustain spending, and is influenced by not only real estate prices, but also by the stock market, human resources, technological advancements which may create new assets or render others worthless, national infrastructure and exchange rates. The most significant component by far among most developed nations is commonly reported as household net wealth or worth and reflects infrastructure investment. National wealth can fluctuate, as evidenced in the US data following the 2008 financial crisis and subsequent economic recovery.

about 50 to 60% of the debt is owned by US institutions. Quantitative easing among other policies increased US debt dramatically, but the Fed is already developing a plan to get rid of it's US held debt, which should be reducing the debt in the future.

Why are you posting with my countries flag? Go home wumáo, you are not welcome in Australia.

the U.S. "responsibilities" costed us 20 years of peace and left a fuckton of unexploded ordinances

The president is mostly just a tool. It's the american defence and security complex that owns the world.

>destroyed itself?

Really... You should read up on the intelligence activities on the balkans prior to the first war. No one in Europe would have wanted war and Russia was inches away from communistic revolution. There was one big industrized nation on the other side of the world who knew they would go virtually unscratched from a war in Europe in case it happened by then.

Yah, was an american agent the serbs got the blame. It was american lube that prepared Europe for analization in those two wars.

>Yah, was an american agent the serbs got the blame. It was american lube that prepared Europe for analization in those two wars.

LELELELELLE
I hope you are being sarcastic.
So delusional. Now Americans are responsible for anything right? WOW.

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Use your brain for a change. There was only one industrialized country in the world at the time which was not anywhere near Europe and would not be affected by the war in case it happened.

What the fuck kind of reasoning is that?
American is in another continent, so what? Does that mean that any war that does not take place in the American continent is America's fault? Retard.
Europeans did a good job of killing each other before America even existed as a country.

So, Americans started WW1?
Let me guess, we also started the Falklands. And we also started the French-Prussian war. The sino-soviet split too? I mean, Communist fighting each other. Good for American no?

Fucking retards.

Source your statements.

Are you retarded?

Argies are asshurt at everyone because they're argies. Just ignore him mate.

America had just stopped the isolationist policy of the 19th century. It was ready to become an international actor. Yes there were wars in Europe before that of course, but not any really big ones since the Vienna congress which was literally 100 years earlier. Europe was stable, but someone really wanted to take the lead.

Why source them? So you can take them down?

take them down?
Like the website? What the fuck do you mean take them down? You think I have control over the internet?

Your little stories and conjectures are baseless and really make no sense. So, unless the rest of the world missed something and the eternal American has cause the ills of the entire world since 1776. Source your shit.

I won't waste my time with this bullshit anymore unless you source.

Not making any money from exports but importing everything from the country you also owe 30% of your debt to is not a sustainable economy.

The US debt-to-gpd percentage surpasses 100%, you don't need a high an economics degree to know that this is a system on the brink of collapse.

Think about the housing market crash but in all industries, it is the most house of playing cards economy I've seen from the country with the most inflated sense of financial stability.

Also, American became the industrial and Economic powerhouse of the world in the 1890s. Before WW1.

>Yes there were wars in Europe before that of course, but not any really big ones since the Vienna congress which was literally 100 years earlier.
The Napoleonic wars? The Crimean War?
The Astro-Prussian war?
>Swedish Education

He's retarded

Gdang >$600 billion of freedom and security.

How does the rest of the world even not be totally scared all the time?

Because you protect them, remember?

The United States is the wealthiest nation.
You are overplaying the US debt by a lot m8.
The richer a country, the more debt that they can deal with.

japan's debt to gdp is in the 200%s, and it's still stable. Stagnant, but stable.
The US economy can take much more debt than Japan, and only a fraction of the debt is foreign debt. Most bonds are held domestically, and can in theory be forgiven. Social security, and the Fed can in theory make about 60% of the debt disappear.

>the country you also owe 30% of your deb
You mean China? China holds less than 7% of US debt, and that should have changed since the last time I checked. China went on a US bond selling spree a month or so ago, and Japan is again the largest foreign holder of US debt.

No one else but you is panicking regarding US debt.

bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-03-22/economists-see-no-crisis-with-u-s-debt-as-economy-gains
scholarsstrategynetwork.org/brief/why-there-nothing-scary-about-us-national-debt
businessinsider.com/us-government-19-trillion-debt-not-a-problem-2016-4

Well yes the USA were first with the internet and is by far the ones with most influence over the internet. All mayor hardware producers are american and has been exposed to be pressured by the NSA to add back doors. How could that even surprise you.

Jesus Christ you're fucking stupid.

Half of the money are spent on black projects, R&D and shit the public does not know about

3/4 of the remaining shekels are spent on maintaining overseas bases, including subs and aircraft carriers

1/4 are spent on everything else

Chill bro, why are you so mad?

Napoleonic wars were ended when the Vienna congress started. The crimean war was hardly in Europe. It was about Crimea, a snippet of the black sea north coast would by any sensible geographer be claimed to be in Asia.

The prussian wars leading to the founding of the German empire yes. That's the only contradiction I can find. Sounds like it could be a real reason to go for. Germany did have impressive growth 1870-1910. Surpassing all other nations. Maybe that was scary? Someone needed to learn their place?

I'm alright mate

Well uhhh... only thing is.... nuclear weapons didn't exist until 1945 and most governments don't like nuking each other to the stone age.