What's their fucking problem?

What's their fucking problem?

Liberalism.

too much english influence

It will be solved with the next referendum

The problem is the fact that the politics of Scotland and England are so different that they simply can't come together and Scotland will be shoved aside because it has less voters
I'm not argueing for anything like more scottish voice or anything, but scotland as a country cannot continue being in the union
there's also the issue of all the parties being shit
the greens are hippie fucks
the tories are idiot toffs that are unironically stuck a century ago, and that's not even just meme shit like gays and women
scotlab are a fucking joke, almost as right wing as the tories
the lib dems were done for long ago
and the SNP could be fixing shit like education but they're not doing enough
yes it's all very nice that you're paying more money into the councils and shit for education but the councils don't use that money because they're labour and thus fucking useless and also bitterly hating of the snp so they fuck EVERYONE by not using the cash
make them use it instead of complaining about it FOR FUCKS SAKES
god fucking christ

Basically this As a Scot myself, I can attest to the general bitterness of the average scot towards the British establishment.

The Tories are still seen as mine-closing milk snatchers, (New) Labour is seen as a flip-flop party that betrayed it's old workers rights platform, the Lib Dems are dead for the foreseeable future thanks to Nick (the Rentboy) Clegg and all the other parties are pretty much memes.

A lot of people who vote for the SNP are actually pretty ambivilant towards independence, but due to a lack of other viable parties, they vote SNP as a sort of least shit option.

...

one thing i envy from UK is how its basically 4 big areas insteead of Spain wich has 17 "autonomous communities" because everyone wants to be a special snowflake here.

they are Scottish

>4 big areas

For you.

Honest question. Do you think there is any chance at all you guys end up ditching Britain?
With the SNP looking like they're gonna lose a few seats in the election I don't think it can happen as things are now, but could you see it becoming possible?

Scotland probably won't ever actually be able to ditch the UK because they will either be under administrations that will refuse to give them a referendum or an administration that they like enough to vote no

I mean, realistically we all know the english would rig the fuck out of that poll if they actually threatened to vote for leaving, because they can't allow that to happen. But I'm curious if there is even any chance of that happening to begin with.

I personally don't see it happening. The pro-independence folk had their chance back in 2014 and they blew it.

Most of us like complaining about the English more than we actually like doing anything about it. Hell, that's basically the entire SNP platform.

What a shame, but I understand you can't gamble the fate of your country on hopes and memes.

Exactly.

As much as I, or any other true-blooded Scotsman for that matter, will hate to admit it, we kind of need the English and their very large tax base. Money is very much essential to the union: it was a major factor in its inception and its a major factor now.

>The problem is the fact that the politics of Scotland and England are so different that they simply can't come together
SNP memes. england is far more liberal than you suits their agenda, see: support for SNP in england.

cuck.

The SNP is a crypto-IRA party, it's why they're in bed with the Catholic church in Scotland and it's why all the rhetoric is so caustic, hysterical and over the top. Salmond and Sturgeon have been playing the "Scots" in Glasgow and Dundee for cheap votes. It will die down and disappear eventually, it appeals to no one outside those two places really.

on the flipside:
scots = jews. fuck you talking about money when the whole way we've set up the UK is based upon the U. very, very jewish if you just get up and leave now, leaving england to import power/water etc. (renewables, not talking fossil fuels.)

we ARE better together. westminster needs sorting out, but don't buy the memes that english don't "see" that.

t. half scot, used to wear that label with pride.

bunch of poor socialists that would be greece #2 without the english

>it appeals to no one outside those two places really
How come they are the biggest party in scotland but only in this election managed to become the biggest in Glasgow then?

It's SHITE being Scottish! We're the lowest of the low. The scum of the fucking Earth! The most wretched, miserable, servile, pathetic trash that was ever shat into civilization. Some hate the English. I don't. They're just wankers. We, on the other hand, are COLONIZED by wankers. Can't even find a decent culture to be colonized BY. We're ruled by effete arseholes. It's a SHITE state of affairs to be in, Tommy, and ALL the fresh air in the world won't make any fucking difference!

lern2ukpoliticsm8

tories and labour are dead in scotland for lots of reasons. seperately mind you. it's just a damn shame they don't vote for one of the "big two" and shift elections like they used to.

2 party system = shorttermism
is shit, but at least whatever the party the scots got behind would support their short-term-ism

>half scot, used to wear that label with pride.
top sperg

>lern2ukpoliticsm8
Sorry but I'm not going to learnt he in-depth history of regional politics of a country I don't even border.
I asked, because I didn't know.

My question was, if no one outside of those two cities really liked the "scottish act", why did they not manage to gain control of that place before despite being overall so big in scotland.

yeah not really, mohammed.
I'm english now, raasclat.

>Sorry but I'm not going to learnt he in-depth history of regional politics of a country I don't even border.
stupid kraut

>Sorry but I'm not going to learnt he in-depth history of regional politics of a country I don't even border.
I get you. I really didn't understand the French revolution or their politics until the election brought it into my mind. I take no offense, but lots of Germans on Sup Forums/internet generally are seriously salty.

His comment was hyperbole. But the other Scots vote for SNP as a.. kneejerk reaction? It's a reflection of how shitty our FPTP system is. We need to reform it, but Scotland splitting away is no answer. (lmao eu parrelels all day long)

Basically, Labour and Tories failed Scotland, big time. But what "yes" voters don't realise is that English people feel exactly the same way.

??? Tories aren't dead in Scotland

>I really didn't understand the French revolution or their politics until the election brought it into my mind. I take no offense, but lots of Germans on Sup Forums/internet generally are seriously salty.
Fair enough. I only looked more at Uk politics after the discussions about Scotland and NI after Brexit too, and I simply don't want to make assumptions about something like that based on knowledge I only started getting over half a year.

>but Scotland splitting away is no answer. (lmao eu parrelels all day long)
While the joke about "stronger together" comes to mind, I don't think a 300 year old Union is comparable to a 40 year old one, even if some of the Brexit comments were a bit ridiculous in that light.

Thanks for the answer.

apparently not with the virtue signalling over brexit.
>vote for independence
>want to stay cucked by big brother eu
really makes snp voters think..

NI will NOT go indy. Scots are entitled to their say, I fully support it despite being unionist as fuck, but I doubt they'll leave.
>While the joke about "stronger together" comes to mind, I don't think a 300 year old Union is comparable to a 40 year old one, even if some of the Brexit comments were a bit ridiculous in that light.
exactly.

(I'm not claiming to speak for Scotland btw, I've never even been)

>NI will NOT go indy.
Not independent, no. But there had been talks about it uniting with Ireland and I was curious how plausible that was.

Not at all as I soon discovered though, because it seems the people south of the border have even less interest in it than the northern irish.

Ideologically it's "possible" however financially it's a tad more difficult as N.I cost the U.K around £6/7bn a year.

>Not independent, no. But there had been talks about it uniting with Ireland and I was curious how plausible that was.
Not very.
Most English people feel more akin with Irish than any other home nation (apart from possibly Wales.)

I.e. if you took a referendum tomorrow on support for united Ireland in England it would likely win.

About 40% are directly employed by the State. Economic reality: Ireland can't absorb that.

Plus the (((SCOTTISH))) colonists will go full IRA at that point, as they identify as "British." Irish are outbreeding them, but that's time, just talking right now.

I personally feel that would be worth it to unify a people, but obviously I have no clue if they really feel that much "kin" to eachother and I figure since the Good Friday Agreement has been in effect for well over a decade now, they probably would have by now if they ever wanted to.

>Most English people feel more akin with Irish than any other home nation (apart from possibly Wales.)
So basically just more than with Scotland?

>I.e. if you took a referendum tomorrow on support for united Ireland in England it would likely win.
As I understand it, it wouldn't win in Northern ireland though?

>About 40% are directly employed by the State. Economic reality: Ireland can't absorb that.
I'm like 99% certain the EU would readily shell out bux for that just to save the enormous headache that the bordern is going to be from 2019 on.
But then again, they'd probably fuck it up as things stand now.

>So basically just more than with Scotland?
Yes, Indyref sowed some really nasty divisions. It's crazy that 20 years ago Irish were seen as Mohammed tier terrorists, but now they are our BFFs. We (as in people, not politicians) see Irish as our brothers.

>As I understand it, it wouldn't win in Northern ireland though?
Exactly, no. Northern Ireland is the bastard child we hide away when we have guests around.

>I'm like 99% certain the EU would readily shell out bux for that just to save the enormous headache that the bordern is going to be from 2019 on.
The EU can't afford that. You also cannot afford to make the UK your enemy. Put down the bild. We want special snowflake status, yes, now give it to us before everyone loses.

>Put down the bild.
I actually have no idea what the bild reports on this whole thing, no one in germany would even admit to reading it.

>now give it to us before everyone loses
If it were up to us, we probably would. We don't really care what you do with it, but we 'do' care quite a lot about the unity of the Union, so I'm afraid thats not gonna happen because everyone else wants you to pay.

The Brits will never take their freeeeedom!

>Can't even find a decent culture to be colonized BY.

The English were the best colonist in history. Everything they did was magnificent.

Would you prefer the Portuguese or the Spanish who just had diarrhea all over South America.
>dat flag
Nevermind.

Just like most Brits here don't read the Sun.
I'm not saying you actually read bild, like most Brits here don't read the Sun (altho they often operate on that IQ level desu)
You need to do away with the meme. Britain will pay. Britain wants a strong Europe, we want to be your very good neighbour. But the Euro created a federation by stealth, and a defacto two-speed Europe.

I love you faggots but voted leave. Realise: if you keep us sweet we can play hard ball with any prospective 'leave' nations. (E.g. Spain / Scotland) If you play hard ball from the off.. You're in for a world of pain.

That was from Trainspotting, a Scottish movie...

>You need to do away with the meme.
I don't really know what I'm said that makes you think I was talking about any brexit related matters per se. I think you're a bit oversenstivie on this right now, which I suppose is understandable.
I only said that the Irish border is going to be a headache, because it, realistically, will.
Regardless of what deal we make.

I'm not against you guys leaving, though I wished your goverment were a little less retardedly jingoist about it like trying to blackmail us with blocking the budget for anti-immigration measures.

> But the Euro created a federation by stealth
The ever-closer-Union was already established long before the euro, and in fact already by the time you guys joined.
You thought it wasn't serious, and now you left when you saw it was, thats fair. But I really wished you would stop pretending its some some novel idea of recent decades, when it was actually the plan for a very long time.

> If you play hard ball from the off.. You're in for a world of pain.
Its more up to you than to us if this gets hardball. I hope it doesn't because no one benefits from that, but ultimately there are more important things than our UK trade. And some of those are at stake here.

I can't reply apparently
>connection error

No one is "past nation states". The EU isn't "post-nation states" ideologically, and we don't support it for such meme reasons.

Real talk. Germany considers the continued existence of the EU vital national interest.
Because its the only way to continue to grow without getting everyone else their panties in a twist about european hegemony, which we would reach pretty much by accident the first time france falls on its face, and they have.

We don't want to have to fight trade wars or real wars every single time any of our huger number of immediate and less immediate neighbours, but we would without the Union, because this continent, as you well know, doesn't play nice.

So you need to understand, we will make this shit work. We don't care that you left, because you were never our problem, you're only a problem if we already have a fight on the continent. But if it takes a trade war with britain to keep the Union together, thats what we're going to play.
We really don't want to, because its pointless as fuck. But the EU is not a simple project, its the very survival of our nation, and there is no threat anyone could make that would be as big as the risk of it failing.
So if Poland and France want you to pay out, thats whats it going to be. Talk it out with them, because our only concern is the Union itself.

Cant wait to decimate you krauts in ww3.

I have to head out now.
But Britanon, 'we' both the goverment and the average german, don't give a fuck about you leaving, for all we care you could walk out with our free trade deal and we call it a day.
But its not up to us, we won't risk the unity with the other 26 over getting you a good deal and May needs to understand that or she will be in for a rude awakening.

You are literally, unironically dizzy. I'll address one point.

>Because its the only way to continue to grow
Completely unsustainable. You didn't read between the lines RE my farming paragraph apparently.
It's game over regardless, but EU cutting off London speeds things up to a hilarious level. As Len Pen would've done.

lern2homestead.

Keep taking the piss out of Britain and France though, mate. See what fucking happens. We snipped your bollocks, but Hitler (and BRITISH/AMERICAN tax money thereafter) built up your infrastructure, so you can sneer down your SJW noses at us apparently.

Keep at it. See what happens.

like it literally makes me fucking angry when I consider how my future (tax wise) was sacrifised for yours. It honestly makes me feel ill.

Make an enemy of me though, Hans. I fucking dare you. Southern Europe is already on our side.

Germans are so disgusting.

We've got your back, bro.

You're not going to collaborate again, are you?

>Griitings truu fränds. Todäj aj oill tåålk öbaott såmmting dätt iss värri impåårtönt änd dätt iss döh djuus in Nååtsi Jöörmänny.

>Joo sii naoadäjjs öh lått åff MEER MÅRTÅLS säss things lajk "Öoh, Hittler häjtädd dö djuus", bått dätt iss nått truu. Iff Hittler riily häjjtädd dö djuus dänn oajj oudd hii hävv öh djuuish båddigaard? Nöu, åbbviössli hii didd nått häjtt dö djuus hii öunli häjjtädd dö intörnääshunöll glöuböllist djuus.

>Öukäjj dätt iss åål får diss video änd hoo äm ajj? Ajj äm dii gådd åff öltimätt strängth äänd ouisdåmm, äcksoäckso poof

Missed this hans.
You still mistake the fact that we are a normal nation. Two of those 26 were literally British empire till recently. lmao. We don't mistake your role tho.

My position was realpolitik, not ideological. But you can see where my thoughts lie, if push comes to shove.

*teleports behind you*

You guys seriously need to stop LARPing as empire before you get hurt.
Its just sad.

all me
>he didn't read between the lines
it's you that's going to be hurt should it come to that. wake up and smell the tea.

Jocks in frocks get everything for fuck all and still moan, the English substitute their every move but the tight fisted fuckers don't appreciate it.

Nice proxy, sven/ola/jens. No non scandinavian could use åäö so correctly

Alri JTRIG?
This thread is now about merking Germany: A worthy cause that all true Englishmen & Scots can rally behind.

Is the UK, dare I say it, a non country?

are people actually argueing about brexit like this
The people in charge of it are retarded
remember "no deal is better than a bad deal"
remember how they never actually looked into what a no deal would mean
remember how may is a fucking retarded cunt that ruined everything, EVERYTHING as home seceraty, remember how our police are cut due to her, remember how the fucking border controls are fucked due to her
I didn't like any of the people running for tory leader after greasy dave stepped down but may was the worst of the bunch by a fucking mile

lmao you both have autism
this is more than amusing

I carry a saber at all times

they want freedom from England