It's that time of the day. Name me a socialist country that exist/existed

It's that time of the day. Name me a socialist country that exist/existed.

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Venezuela. Exists for at least a few more days.

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Venezuela is capitalist. It simply has a mad dog in power, and had another mad dog in power for decades

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Cuba, the Soviet Union and the early China..
>inb4 not real

Yes it is, user. That's what socialism leads to...

Socialism implies the workers owning the means of production. In waht way did the workers in those countries own the means of production?

The Soviet Union was capitalist though

The workers are the means of production in proper totalitarian socialist states, and they only exist for the purpose of maintaining the glorious socialist utopia.

That's what it became.. Because whenever you try to implement 'real' socialism, you'll find that it does not actually work, because humand are human, and not socialist.

>B-BUT FOX NEWS SAID IT WAS SOCIALIST!!!!!!

Socialism can also include 'democratic' control of the means of production through the state, not just cooperatives/unions.

>The workers are the means of production in proper totalitarian socialist states

And men are woman in Netherlands. Means of production is factories, land, tools...

>and they only exist for the purpose of maintaining the glorious socialist utopia.

In the states you mentioned workers only existed for the whims of the rulers, pretty much what capitalism is.

>Socialism can also include 'democratic' control of the means of production through the state, not just cooperatives/unions.

No, Marx specifically said it couldn't. The means of production need to be effectively in the workers hands. If the means are in the state hands then it's state capitalism

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The dictionary definition has it down as including centralised state control. This would obviously be complete state control, not the social democrat policies of state intervention in a capitalist market.

no

Show me the dictionary definition.

>And men are woman in Netherlands. Means of production is factories, land, tools...

Under capitalism, yes. Under communism the people are the means of production, because collectivism doesn't value the individual that much. Socialism is to perish for the good of the collective.. 'Citizens' are just replaceable resources under socialism.

>In the states you mentioned workers only existed for the whims of the rulers, pretty much what capitalism is.

They existed for the whims of the system. At least in capitalism you can choose who you work for.. You could even work for yourself, if you've got the persistence, skills and opportunity. You might fail, but that's life.

So what you're saying is: Socialism doesn't actually exist, and is nothing more than a silly theory thought up by a man who never actually worked a day in his life?

USA since obama took over

merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism

>any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

Because seizing farm lands to "redistribute" it to the poor is the capitalist way to go. Nice try, commy/pol/

npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106620230

>Under communism the people are the means of production

Were the hell are you finding this shit?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Means_of_production

First line, nigger

>Socialism is to perish for the good of the collective

And capitalism is to perish a colective for the sake of a few.

>'Citizens' are just replaceable resources under socialism.

And they aren't in capitalism. In my point of view, capitalist globals are destroying our homes for the sake of muh economy

>Socialism doesn't actually exist, and is nothing more than a silly theory thought up by a man who never actually worked a day in his life?

Taking the insults part yes. Socialism has never been implemented in large scale

>Socialism implies the workers owning the means of production

That's not the definition of socialism. That's communism.

Socialism means the Government owns the means of production

Brazil

wow you retard really are from lefty/pol/
I thought you were cool on the previous thread reking stormfags
fuck you

soviet union

you fucking stupid cunt not, realizing that we are all living in a socialist system and it is getting worse and worse!!! you stupid cunts fucking Portugal omfg. The only country that actually can safe itself is the USA however, they are fucked just like we are.

>capitalism doesn't create pressure to improve the efficiency and lower the costs of production

The USSR before the NEP.

Not countries, but the Paris Commune and Catalonia were pretty much perfectly socialist.

>Were the hell are you finding this shit?

Take a look at any socialist state (inb4 you start whining that there's no such thing again). People exist for the sole purpose of keeping the system going... Yes, land and machines are means of production. But under socialism, people are nothing more than those machines or that land: Just objects to be exploited for the good of the collective.

>And capitalism is to perish a colective for the sake of a few.

I haven't perished though. Nor did my parents, or my grandparents.. Maybe you're just unlucky to be born in Portugal, user.

>And they aren't in capitalism. In my point of view, capitalist globals are destroying our homes for the sake of muh economy

Aren't you just mad that you live in a shit state with a shit economy?

>Taking the insults part yes. Socialism has never been implemented in large scale

Because it's just a utopia that doesn't actually work, user. Do you ever mingle? You know.. Go out, talk to people?
>b-but muh theory by Marx

Forget about it, user.. It's not going to happen. Just go out and try to have a decent life for yourself and those close to you. Stop living on dreams.

The distinction is moot. It's all the same utopian bullshit...

>The US can save itself
Ehehehehehno. The US is going to have it the worst in the coming decades.... Soon the Tumblr-tier generation will be out of college and into power.

Obama is a capitalist. he is one of the most centrist presidents in your recent history.

That is literally the only dictionary definition of socialism that emcn«ompasses governmental control. American definitions...

Search every other dictionary.

>Socialism means the Government owns the means of production

No that is state capitalism.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

So do the workers own the means of production?

Stop showing me pics like this. I don't like empathizing with nigger rapists.

>Take a look at any socialist state (inb4 you start whining that there's no such thing again). People exist for the sole purpose of keeping the system going... Yes, land and machines are means of production. But under socialism, people are nothing more than those machines or that land: Just objects to be exploited for the good of the collective.

Stop being a uneducated. I invite you to read just a few lines of this

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

>I haven't perished though. Nor did my parents, or my grandparents.. Maybe you're just unlucky to be born in Portugal, user.

Your country is getting flooded by moroocans and niggers.

>Aren't you just mad that you live in a shit state with a shit economy?

I am talking about refugges and niggers

>Forget about it, user.. It's not going to happen. Just go out and try to have a decent life for yourself and those close to you. Stop living on dreams.

I'm not socialist

?

>Search every other dictionary.

>YOUR SOURCE IS INCORRECT, FIND THE CORRECT SOURCE THAT MATCHES MY VIEW PLS

ffs. You wave black flags irl, don't you?

>So do the workers own the means of production?

Workers ARE the means of production under capitalism, user. I don't have to tell you again, do I?
>B-but.. This theory from this b-book says..

>That is literally the only dictionary definition of socialism that emcn«ompasses governmental control. American definitions...
>Search every other dictionary.

ok

thefreedictionary.com/socialism

>1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.

whoops

You are the most autistic poster on Sup Forums.

you never accept any answer and and you do this several times a day.

in your mind real socialism was never tried, and as far as i see it that argument can span a shit ton of other isms.

im not giving you any countries its like communicating with a bot by now.

>Stop being a uneducated. I invite you to read just a few lines of
>Stop being uneducated. I invite you to read WIKIPEDIA

Oh wew.

>Your country is getting flooded by moroocans and niggers.

And is still more succesful, prosperous, educated and literate than yours... What point are you even trying to make, user?

>I am talking about refugges and niggers

Kek. And you think socialism will help that? The totalitarian ideology who'se literal slogan is 'proletarians of the world unite'? Really, user?

>I'm not socialist

Then why are you shilling for it like a 12 year old=

can 'n' trade
obamacare
gun grabbing

obama = literal socialism

This here is just a short list of Socialism

>Health care — Control health care and you control the people.

>Debt — Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. This will allow the government to increase taxes and produce more poverty.

>Media/education — Take control of the media and what children learn in school. Hide your lies and true agenda with side issues like women's birth control rights.

>Class warfare — Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to tax the wealthy with the support of the poor.

AREN'T THESE THINGS ACTUALLY HAPPENING IN OUR COUNTRIES TODAY? DO YOU REALIZE THAT EUROPE NEVER WAS ACTUALLY FREE?? We live in a Socialistic system! We've never been free, The only free country was the USA however, they've lost their liberty long time ago and they are also turning into a socialistic state. Socialism is part of the New World Order and we are getting closer and closer. You need to start reading more books,

>PLS BELIEVE ME, YOU ARE ALL AS UNFREE AS WE ARE

No.. No we're not, Fritz.. You're starting to sound like a Brit now. Never ever for a moment forget that you've got it MUCH MUCH worse than most other European countries.

>venezuela is capitalist

United States of America, spending 50%+ of GDP annually.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_socialism

Austria

Capitalist system with socialist properties

Greece

>Wiki links

Ok, user. Why do you like socialism so much?

>Workers ARE the means of production under capitalism

Where are you getting this?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Means_of_production

>you never accept any answer and and you do this several times a day.

I do. I think there was actual socialist societies presented in here.

>>Stop being uneducated. I invite you to read WIKIPEDIA

Refute any of the sources wiki has. I dare you.

>And is still more succesful, prosperous, educated and literate than yours... What point are you even trying to make, user?

It won't be for long. Your children will grow up surrounded by ghettos and niggers just because you wanted a fancy iphone´

>Then why are you shilling for it like a 12 year old=

I'm not shilling, kek. I'm just asking for Sup Forums to name me a socialist country.

Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics
"State capitalism" is a no true Scotsman cop out used by intellectually bankrupt leftists like you to sweep the first nation to adopt a Marxist government under the rug.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

>Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production,

>Social ownership may refer to public ownership, cooperative ownership, citizen ownership of equity, or any combination of these.[9] Although there are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them,[10] social ownership is the common element shared by its various forms.[5][11][12]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_ownership

>State ownership (also called public ownership and government ownership) refers to property interests that are vested in the state or a public body representing a community as opposed to an individual or private party.[

lol do you really think your country is much different than Germany? Bro we are already united in the European Union , Nato and United Nations. Dude we are all being fooled by the very same people. There is no difference between our countries. Pretty much same political system same health care system , Same school system, everything but the language is same. We are all in this together

We live in a capitalist system

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism

See if your country doesn't fullfill every one of this.

>The only free country was the USA
kek, how is your deployment going?

>dailly socialist obfuscation thread
ebic XDDD

Private property exists in Venezuela, capital accumulation exists in Venezuela. The means of production are in private hands.

So in what way is Venezuela not capitalistic?

>my exact, perfect form of Socialism has never been tried before

>Where are you getting this?

Simple fact, user. 1+1 type shit.

>Refute any of the sources wiki has. I dare you.

>Refute my shitty source's sources

Is this what Portugese schools teach? I think I'm starting to understand why you're such a bitter being, user...

>It won't be for long. Your children will grow up surrounded by ghettos and niggers just because you wanted a fancy iphone´

What do you base this on, user?

>I'm just asking for Sup Forums to name me a socialist country.

Only to then deny that there is such a thing? Seems like something a 12 year old would do, to be honest...

this saved me the trouble, thanks flag

What socialist properties?

In what way?

Refute the sources wiki has. You know, those ugly things in the bottom? Those numbers inside [] you have to delete when you copy paste for school works?

>posting a wikipedia list of countries that are apparently part of the real "capitalism"

Wow Pablo I assume you also get your news from BBC and CNN, Nice at least now I know who I'm dealing with, A FUCKING RETARD

>Not a socialist

>In what way?
in every fucking way
we have a left wing radical party in charge right now

so they are socialist with few capitalist elements. Its not black and white faggot, there are degrees of socialism

What is the purpose of your threads? You did this one yesterday as well. Is it to say that socialism has never been actually tried or is it a troll thread to be difficult?

Have I been summoned?

>"real socialism has never been tried" meme
This is my favorite leftist meme.

And North Korea is a democratic republic...

>public body representing a community as opposed to an individual or private party.[

You could easily argue that the state doesn't represent the community. My state does not represent our people in many ways.

Not mine. Socialism in large sclae has never been fully implemented

>lol do you really think your country is much different than Germany?
We're very similar, except you have it worse in some ways.
>Bro we are already united in the European Union , Nato and United Nations.
I'm not your bro... But yes, we are.
>Dude we are all being fooled by the very same people.
Not your dude either. Also not being fooled here, user.
>There is no difference between our countries.
Keep telling yourself that.
>Pretty much same political system
Oh really. I never realised we were a federalised secular republic.. How peculiar.
>same health care system
Not too familiar with the German health care system, but I somehow doubt it. Do you have free healthcare?
>Same school system,
We don't. Mainly because hour institutes for higher education actually value the English language...
>everything but the language is same.
I'd say the language is actually one of the most similar things...
>We are all in this together
Again: You sound like a Brit trying to convince himself that almost everybody has got it as bad as they do... You'd do well to realise that it's not true, and to try and change that.

I think they have the two images mixed up...

>Refute the sources wiki has. You know, those ugly things in the bottom? Those numbers inside [] you have to delete when you copy paste for school works?

Is this actually what Portugese people think passes for a 'debate' ?

>socialism is black and white
L O L

>hour
*our

Such ironing

Ahh but North Korea was not the first state to establish itself as a democracy, pioneering the concept for generations to come!
The Soviet Union was.

If your definition of socialism differs from that of the Bolsheviks of Russia, it is your definition that is wrong.

this guy comes on here everyday, asks the same question, diverts every problem arisen from implementing socialism as capitalism's fault, and deflects any questions like "well what is real socialism?" as not an argument

either this guy allegedly thinks that it has never been tried - without any explanation or reasoning for it to be implemented

that, or he is an ironic shitposter

>State ownership (also called public ownership and government ownership)

What do you think "government ownership" means?

>Simple fact, user. 1+1 type shit.
So muh feels? Ok.

>What do you base this on, user?

current 3rd world immigration does not show signs to slow down. And birth rates

>Only to then deny that there is such a thing? Seems like something a 12 year old would do, to be honest...

I'm only correcting them

Neither, i don't watch TV anymore. Only a movie from time to time

A country is either socialist or capitalist. There is inbetween, yes, but it's not very honest to call inbetween either. I do not call a system socialist if the means of production are not in the workers hands, nor i would call a system capitalist if private property is not allowed.

Very sim ple. Name me a socialist country

OP, please provide your definition of "socialism." You said it yesterday, and it sounded pretty much identical to communism.

She deserves rape.

I'm not debating you, i'm being vitriolitic. You are too dumb to understand. So i'm using you to get the thread bumped so better people come

Where did i imply this?

He is a portuguese leftist, that's all. Even our so called "right-wingers" are leftists.

Just drop a bomb on us already. Shit's fucked.

How can socialism be achieved?
Answer this.
If so many countries and people have tried but always failed, how can it be ever achieved.

>So muh feels? Ok.

No, simple observation. Like I said, look at any socialist state (yes, yes sweetie.. I know you think they don't exist. but your sources lied to you), and observe how the system treats human labour like a simple resource to be consumed.

>current 3rd world immigration does not show signs to slow down. And birth rates

Something tells me you know very little about the past, present and future of immigration in the Netherlands, user.

>I'm only correcting them

So you're deliberately asking a question you personally believe has no right answer, only to call people that humor you by answering your question out on 'ignorance' ? How exactly is that not typical of 12 year olds?

This topic has been discussed so many times. It always has the same answer that the OP won't accept because the OP is delusional. The fact of the matter is that """true socialism""" just doesn't work. It always devolves to someone or a small group of people controlling all, and it's often fails.

For all intents and purposes, socialist countries do exist/has existed but will/have always devolved into authoritarianism/totalitarianism because that's the real/final form of socialism. Covering your ears and going "LALALA" like a bunch of dumb Plebbitors doesn't change the fact that socialist countries, the way you envision it, will never be. So stop moving goalposts and let this thread die like socialist governments are supposed to, because that's the inevitable outcome of socialism.

>Ehehehehehno. The US is going to have it the worst in the coming decades.... Soon the Tumblr-tier generation will be out of college and into power.

tumblrites are already in power in Europe though

>tumblrites are already in power in Europe though

Nope... We don't even have 'safe spaces' in Universities, much less the SJW-idiocy your mainstream media are peddling these days...

In Cuba you don't get paid in exchangeable Cuba paso CUC (which tourists get to use) you get paid in non exchangeable money CUP, that you can buy foodstuffs and oil with at the goverment stores stores.
People get paid something like 30 CUP a month for most jobs, highly skill people such as doctors might get 60. For life, no rasies. each to his means.
Cuba has a planned economy dominated by state-run enterprises. Most industries are owned and operated by the government and most of the labor force is employed by the state.
Housing and transportation costs are controlled (mostly). Cubans receive free education, health care and food subsidies
that is pretty much socialism.
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It aslo has all the problems of socialism, corruption, slow econ growt. no real credit access or financial industry for investment

if everyone works for the state, doesn't it amount to the same?

you can have some nukes portugal, but you have to use all of them - no selling them to spain, they will sell them to the shitskins

just make sure to lock up when you're done

I know you are shitposting but I'll bite anyway.

Dude we are all being fooled by the very same people.
>Not your dude either. Also not being fooled here, user.

Not being fooled ?? lol do you even leave your house user?

>The Netherlands has got a central bank which is known as the De Nederlandsche Bank. That Bank was establish by the very same people that established the central bank of Germany. Today this is even more obvious as we are both members of the European Central Bank. They print our money , they pretty much control our economy , our debts are raising pretty much at the very same pace as our interest go up. How can you not realize that we are in this together? Sure Germany has got some intern problems that aren't related to Holland but those are small issues. We are facing the same problems when it comes to a major political issues.

>
Venezuela is threatening to """"seize the means of production"""" in the country since they are close to rebellion. would that make them the socialist paradise you are looking for?

You're the autistic Obama leaf shill under a different proxy, amirite?

daily socialism never happened thread

it's the same thing when everyone is the state and there is no private goods or service or life.
The problem is when everyone is the state no one is the state.

The EU a shit, yes. But at least the Netherlands has honest to god Eurocritical parties.. What does Germany have in that aspect? Same thing when it comes to refugees, immigration in general not to mention free speech, especially for 'unpopular' opinions. The Netherlands is completely different from Germany in that sense... Not even getting into the fact that we're a centralized state with a Monarch that literally declares our laws by the grace of God.

Again: I know we're similar. But we're not the same, and we're not nearly as fucked as Germany is... We don't quite hate freedom yet, like we're starting to see in Sweden and the UK..... Maybe some day, but not quite yet.

Also, you made me curious abuot your healthcare. Is it free, or not?

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Literally not an argument. A state can call itself whatever it wants. It does not make it true.

When things are owned by government.

When the workers own the means of production. It's literally a cental part of marxist ideology.
She is a single mother. A ukie. Image search can find her.

I'm no even a leftist. But whatever makes you happy.

>How can socialism be achieved?

Not the point of this thread. Nor am i a socialist, nor do i care about it.

>If so many countries and people have tried

Somewhat debateble. After Stalin took power, USSR no longer attempted to convert to socialism.

>No, simple observation.

Observation of what?

> believe has no right answer

There is one poster that posted 2 different systems that could be considered socialist.

>This topic has been discussed so many times.

Yet 90% does not even have a clue what socialism is

Not in my country

Not it's not. Workers do not own the means of production. They are slaves to the state

Well, if the state actually represented the people, yes. But we all know what really happened in USSR/China...

>implying my country has the ability to deliver tose nukes to enemy targets

Only if they can be delivered in the back of a White Ford Transit, or a tractor

No because the state owning the means of production is not the same as the workers owning the means of production. History shows us it can be even worse

That guy was based. BTFO those RNC sponsored retards with facts. Has he been active lately?

did it? I'm not saying it did not happened, only asking if Sup Forums can name them

>muh parties

Different sides of the same coin. All the same.

>Not it's not. Workers do not own the means of production. They are slaves to the state
>Well, if the state actually represented the people, yes. But we all know what really happened in USSR/China...
cuba has an elected government, and has had for a long while, deal with it.

>Observation of what?

Of people turned into insects under a totalitarian regime that savors the collective... You know, like socialism.

>There is one poster that posted 2 different systems that could be considered socialist.

>Muh communes and city-states

There's a reason it doesn't work on larger scale: People don't actually value the collective higher than the individual, especially if the vast majority of the collective are people they don't know and will likely never meet. If the area is much larger than a city, it'll never work, and even in those small-scale scenarios it's more like a tribal commune or a sort of very large family-type relationship between people than an actual political system facilitating all of those things... People are social. We like it when the people around us are doing well, and we want them to do well. We might even sacrifice some of our own individual wealth/time/effort to help those people along... That doesn't mean socialism can work though, because under socialism you don't know the people you're supposed to help, and the collective is just a faceless blob that would crush you like an insect if it would better the lot of them.

>Not it's not. Workers do not own the means of production. They are slaves to the state

Slaves to the collective, you mean. Welcome to socialist utopia, comrade...

>muh elections

Even if they are not phony elections, when you voted for Bush did you voted for Iraq war? Did you voted for the flooding of Mexicans? And not to mention the fact that politicians virtually never follow trough with campaign promises?

Yugoslavia again, dont blame me if you cant read the books, read the wiki

>Different sides of the same coin. All the same.

Do you even know any Dutch political parties, honestly? Without resorting to your precious wiki?

lol "Redguards", I guess the next Communist MP will be named "Argonians" am I riteee?