The 2nd amendment is literally useless in todays world

the 2nd amendment is literally useless in todays world

Other urls found in this thread:

youtube.com/watch?v=wAkCLpMtjlM
quora.com/Which-are-the-top-10-strongest-navies-in-the-world
twitter.com/SFWRedditVideos

So is the 4th. Government can search and sieze whatever it wants.

Yeah, they're all useless.

They won, and we have an out of control tyrannical government.

The revolutionary's were out gunned by the Empire, but they still won.

What if I have a gun to keep in my house for protection and not to fight the gobamen'?

The Second Amendment is not useless. Ever hear of a little shit hole called Afghanistan?

That's gubmint

call the police, you're not rambo.

Yes, and wait for half an hour while the criminal can come in and rape the babies in your baby dungeon

Nah fuck that

thanks france

No gun...
>"9-1-1, what's your emergency?"
>"This nigger has a gu-....... you call has been disconnected."

Gun...
>grab gun, point, shoot

If Vietnamese peasants could fuck up the greatest military in the world like it did then we'll be fine. I mean Cuckifornia will fall first but i'm not worried.

>They won, and we have an out of control tyrannical government.
So why did the citizens stage an armed revolt to prevent this from happening? Isn't that the whole point on the 2nd amendment?

*didn't

Because using fighter planes against civilians is a wise use of resources and will not destroy non-combatants.

...

Vietnamese reporting in

What is Syria?

...

>implying noncombatants' lives enter into the calculus of war at all anymore

Here's the problem with the magical thinking of the radical gun owners. None of them is going to start the revolution. No one wants to be the first to die, and even if they think they're starting the revolution, no one else will know or care and they'll be picked off one by one due to a complete lack of organization.

So they'll just just huddle in their bunkers, threatening to revolt if X happens, and when X happens, they won't do shit, as always.

The gestapo on the street corner doesn't have an Abrams in his back pocket. F-17s aren't looking over the Libertine Governors during their rape parties.

You simply cannot force an armed population to accept tyranny. It is impossible to keep everything and everyone so controlled that even 1% of the population willing and able to kill for their freedoms would be unable to seriously destabilize a despotic regime. Because as soon as you start using cluster bombs on your own population suddenly those soldiers you thought were on your side, the ones who actually pilot your fighter jets and coordinate your bombing campaigns, well they'll fracture and you have both sides armed with modern weapons of war.

Not entirely. A government cannot kill all its population and expect to still "rule" a country.

So, yeah, it could (and would) be deadly to well-identified opponents, especially if they're stupid enough to regroup far away from innocent bystanders.

But armed citizens can always make it harder for a tyrant to "own" the country.

That doesn't mean that anybody should use weapons whenever and wherever, either...

is your dad by any chance half white?

Nope, why are you my lost brother or something?

you got to be a special kind of stupid to call a black man that is robbing you at gunpoint a nigger.

You are fucking retarded

>>
You're right, you're totally free to walk all over anyone
Must be time round up those guns, i'm sure you'll volunteer

>implying every gun owner is planning to take on the government
>implying I am going to wait for police to show up in a life or death situation, where the suspect could have a gun
>implying outlawing guns will convince criminals to give theirs away
>implying Australia still cannot its gun problem, and they live on their own chunk of land
>implying guns still wouldn't flood in from Mexico, where guns are illegal but some how cartels still have them in bulk
>implying why me owning one pistol matters to you

That's why he shot me. But that is me without a gun. With my gun I can still call him and nigger, remove him, and I get to live.

sure kid.
like
you
know
it
all

Let me paint your tiny brain a scenario. The ATF shows up at your house to seize your guns. Just out of the blue. Knock, knock -- give us all your guns.

Do you:
A. Comply, all the while shitting your pants
B. Shoot agents of the federal government

I'm guessing A, but feel free to lie and say B.

The "not have any guns in your house with which to shoot the violent animal" kind of stupid?

can't read. thinks he can post.

but....but....but....mah patriotism is strong

>t. 18th Century Britain

>implying that all gun owners are "radical gun owners"

Nigga, learn to read before getting your panties in a wad.

Maybe it doesn't always keep you from being arrested, but the 4th still protects you after the fact when they try and charge you for a crime.

So, I guess the entirety of the U.S military are emotionless robots then? Who's gonna be driving those tanks and launching those rockets on us?

I have cousins in MARSOC, one of them is a sniper and the other is going to fly helicopters. Are you suggesting they're gonna fly into their family's back yard and murder me to please their new masters?

God you people are retarded...

So why do you even care about mentioning it

stupid little shit if I ever heard one.

+1 France is best and original us teammate

You're just mad because you know it's true.

When the day comes that protecting yourself is a crime, I will be a criminal

Who do you think is in the armed forces, OP? A bunch of American citizens who almost wholly support the second amendment. So, you're suggesting that a bunch of Americans are going to march into their hometown and start killing their friends, families, and neighbors because the government told them to?

Or, for the sake of argument, disregard that. Let's say the US military marches on their own hometowns and starts bombing the fuck out of them. Did that work in Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam? Nope, it really didn't (please don't be one of those people who claim we "won" lol). In each of those wars you have overwhelming military might versus a bunch of poorly armed hillbillies. Guess what, America has the best armed Hillbillies in the world. To put it another way, the civilian population of the United States is, by the numbers, the largest armed force in the world.

Or, let's say the US military starts "winning" -
again, which is retarded because the only way to win is to have a country left over when it's all said and done. Have you ever heard of a military coup, OP? If you don't win the hearts and minds of the people (or at least so thoroughly subjugate them they resemble North Korea), you won't have a government very long.

So the "government" or, perhaps more likely a handful of congressman, decide to kill all Americans in this fantasy situation of yours. The military wouldn't be supporting that, especially when the military is full of power hungry people just the same as any other group of humans who are just itching to get that power for themselves.

You're under estimating the NEED for the second amendment, probably because you're a statist (or a shill), but more likely retarded.

I don't think my dad could have shot his load across the ocean but we can be brothers.

Private firearm ownership rate per capita
>Syria 3.9
>Ireland 4.3
>Afghanistan 4.6
>Iraq 34.2
>United States 112.6

Its like you literally don't understand how insurgencies work.

LOL last time I called the police they said it was going to take 2 hours to get to me. A guy texting and driving rear ended me and totaled my car, tried to drive off too, luckily just being on the phone with 911 scared him into staying. The cops called me back 4 hours later asking if I still needed them.

Fuck the Rambo dumbasses, but cops are useless. I don't blame people for not wanting to bother with those dumbfucks

I live in USA, but some Vietnamese family.

+1 for France

Option C, they look around and dont find the guns, meanwhile I record them completely messing up the house and my kids crying and upload it later to foment general public upset

So, you're a liar and claiming that B is your response? Enjoy dying.

I find it amusing that 2nd amendment types are the first to tell you

>"always comply with the police and you won't get in trouble. #heroes #remember911"

What is tyrannical?

When the Eurofags think America is just a land of cities. Some places in the USA have very small police forces. Rural areas might even only have 2 or so, and just stay on call at night. And in large cities they can be backed up with too many calls. It could take any amount of time before the police show up.

There is more guarantee your pizza to show up in the estimated time than the police.

>inb4 USA is shitty for that
No, we just look after ourselves instead of crying to the government for help for literally everything

Lol, Youtube warrior. Great thing that you had your guns to protect you from that tyranny. But thanks for your semi-honesty.

This. It is why socialism is superior also in that regard.
All people receive military training and have access to weaponry.
All workplaces in industry and (collective) farming have a dedicated military group.
It's why you see tractors for example in the DPRK military parade.
Not because they don't have better vehicles available, but it's the collective farm soldiers participating in that parade.
Peasants in socialism have access to anti air guns and the training to use them.

>none of them wants to be the first to die

You're forgetting the early days of the Clinton administration. Nobody wants to be the first to die, but Randy Weaver and the Branch Davidians both fought back.

More importantly, the feds chose to stop prosecutions for Oklahoma City at Tim and Terry. They didn't storm Elohim. They didn't work to hard to bring in the ARA. They didn't connect dots that were easily connected. Those were choices.

The feds had limitless resources, but they stopped fighter after a they won a couple of small gun fights and saw one truck bomb.

those posts have an incredible amount bullshit in them

someone who likes writing fiction was bored and feeling creative

...

>hypothetical worst case scenario.
If you are so worried about someone breaking into your house up your security to keep people out. Having a loaded gun in your house is more dangerous than Tyron walking the streets.

A camera is more powerful than a gun but I dont expect you to know that because you are just a kid

What if there is a coup within the government/military working with militia and other civilian units?

Yeah, how'd that work out for Koresh and Weaver? Oh right, they died and not a single fuck was given. All the outraged gun nuts did shit.

>They didn't storm Elohim. They didn't work to hard to bring in the ARA. They didn't connect dots that were easily connected

Yeah, the government is so scared of you fags.

Just a friendly reminder that Titor's war ends with Russia nuking American cities.

How is the ATF going to know I have guns in my house? How are they going to know specifics of what guns? Fuck, how are they going to know that what they confiscate is all of them? Nothing I own has ever been registered, anything thats ever been on a black book with my name has a bill of sale I could readily produce to suggest that I am no longer in possession of that weapon, and any massive confiscation effort would give all the warning in the world.

I'd piss and moan and call it tyranny and they'd walk away with a nugget, and 870, and an old Taurus.

neither is as powerful as a katana for home defense

youtube.com/watch?v=wAkCLpMtjlM

>A camera is more powerful than a gun

So why own a gun?
Checkmate.

incorrect. despite what many people think, technology, weapons, money, and other supplies do not win wars. people win wars. strong willed men and (occasionally) women win wars. guns just make it possible. take a case example look into the middle east and america. despite america being in Iraq with tanks, planes, and in many cases better firearms (depending on how you feel about the AK-47), the conflict still ended in a stale mate at best, and at worst ended in a ku against Hussein, making way for ISIS. this is not to say that the second amendment is irrelevant. because it is still necessary to have basic tools in order to establish a resistance to any force. while a normal populace does not have the means to produce tanks, it can produce armor. a populace may not be able to produce jets and missiles, but it can produce proxy weaponry. these things merely make strategic planning simpler. a rifle however has no viable replacement. a bow cannot and never will be able to over come modern armor. rockets simply cannot be used against an insurgent populace. and tanks are actually fairly inefficient against modern infantry tactics.

Basically every single thing you just said was wrong....

First of all, there are very well organized groups and militias. This is a well known fact, and you have to be pretty ignorant to not be aware of this.

Second of all, ugh I don't even have the time or energy to correct your entire worldview because your fundamentals are all out of whack. Try leaving your hometown once in awhile.

It all depends. A rear end accident is not more important than a murder or drug bust. Plus most cities are short handed. My city is about 600 police short

>How is the ATF going to know I have guns in my house?

Because the tyrannical NSA knows everything about you, Cletus. Whatcha gun do 'bout it?

It's for niggers dumb fuck lol

>First of all, there are very well organized groups and militias.

Niggers playing war ever other weekend doesn't make for a well-organized resistance. If one of these groups is taken down, the others have no planned response and won't do shit out of fear.

You know it.

Are you saying you should shoot cops for no reason?

Amusing how it's always the gun control nuts fantasizing about "cappin pigs"

Its not about fear and its not about revolution. The Second Amendment is about making it cheaper for the state to say "fuck it, let them be retards in peace" than to go in and push it. Thats what Oklahoma City accomplished. Thats why black folks are still getting killed by cops. You don't have to smash the state and install a new regime to carry the day, you just have to make fucking with you marginally more difficult than a group of bureaucrats who don't really care that much are willing to put up with.

Widespread civilian gun ownership, paired with the occasional act of domestic terrorism or direct action, alters the path of least resistance.

>claiming that socialist countries are as well armed as the american public
ok... let me fix that for you
>claiming that communist regimes are as well armed and a wholly better system than america's combination and balance of socialism/capitalism
lol, see how dumb you sound?

News flash the jungles were the only reason the vietcong survived.

No access to bread tho

Not him, but I am just wondering. How many military units would blindly follow orders to kill their own people? I know many would, but I think a large amount of also object. Thus they start fighting internally. Checkmate US military.

American military swept the Iraqi military away in just days. The problems started when they thought they could keep the peace.

The American military is great at flattening. But rebuilding another matter entirely.
When it comes to an armed insurrection, they should just stick to flattening your homes and burning the rubble from hundreds of miles away.

>one of them is going to start the revolution. No one wants to be the first to die, and even if they think they're starting the revolution, no one else will know or care and they'll be picked off one by one due to a complete lack of organization.

what you fail to consider is that many "radical gun owners" are prior military and have already been put in a position to consider their lives as lost for a cause. not to mention that Montana and Texas both have large groups of militia's that already consider themselves as rebelling against the government. granted they are not actively fighting a revolution, I think given a large scale movement they would activate and mobilize.

>>failing to see that 2/3 of the army is minority race and would defect in second amendment
>>failing to use Sup Forums

This will trigger the amerifat.

I'd suggest you read the patriot act.

this, very much this, so much this. this is what's good.

>implying any middle eastern military is well organized
This is why they lose so much. They cannot organize or communicate worth shit.

Question for the delusional gun owners here: why haven't you revolted yet? You don't think the government has overreached enough yet? Seriously?

Dude, you're proving my point about your worldview not making any sense. It's like you're one of those 8th graders who first read about either anarchy or communism and you think it's a great idea.

First of all, they're almost all white. Like by far. Also, they're the war machine itself. They're the ones who support the american army. They're the ones who grow the food and produce the oil and bullets and tanks and missiles. They're the families who birth the soldiers. Hell, most of them are vets or active duty as we speak!

>If one of these groups is taken down, the others have no planned response and won't do shit out of fear.
Like, what are you even trying to say..? Compare what your brain is trying to shit out to some world history. Look at Iraq, Afghanistan, or Vietnam if you must - it seems to be the only shit kids knows about these days.

>Implying the US government is going to cause trillions upon trillions of dollars worth of damage to its own infrastructure just to bomb some rednecks
>Implying half or more of the United States military forces won't immediately defect to the rebel side once ordered to attack their own country/fellow people
>Implying any military action on US soil against itself wouldn't be mostly foot soldiers and light vehicles
>Implying there's not any veterans with decades of service under their belt on the civilian side that can quickly bring people under command and control.
>Implying there's not any veterans with years of urban combat under their belt that would fight for the freedom of their country

You stupid libcucks really are braintarded

Regardless of location, a standing army cannot win against a guerrilla army. The whole point of a guerrilla army is to make the opposition bleed. Plus the fighting would take place in concrete jungles. Literally a fuck with a rifle in every window. not to mention shit like IED's and other booby traps

quora.com/Which-are-the-top-10-strongest-navies-in-the-world op has no idead what he is talking about.

Travel America, friend. Go walk the Appalachian trail and pass some one that has been living off the land and hasn't spoken to another human being for months. Travel out west and talk to the people living in the mountains, in the desert, in the pacific northwest, the people wrestling alligators in the everglades for shits and giggles.

I mean, he's already got you at gun point. Might as well see if he really would pull the trigger

This was one of my earlier points. Also, many of the American militias are white people from conservative background that are either veterans or active duty.

there's plenty of morons on 'both sides', namely because there isn't any real difference.

the plan is get the usmilitarycucks to fight some bullshit like iran so they can bring over UNmilitary to do the deed

>very well organized groups and militias
But not one with a workable plan.
Remember the Oklahoma city bombing? You know what happened after it?
FBI infiltrated both Michigan and Montana mlitia. In a matter of just months, they had members moving to Canada to escape harassment. Literally caused people to lose jobs, homes, family, buried them under a mountain of traffic fines and civil court cases.
I would not be surprised if half the militias in America has FBI agents moled in them. They know the names and addresses of every member. They know exactly who to pick up or who to blow up if anyone tries anything.

Your shit was check mated two fucking decades ago.

No, you're delusional if you think the tyranny will take the form of tanks in the streets and open hostility. We live in a country where the top 1% own more than the bottom 90%. How is that not cause for revolution? Because you're all talk. You won't do shit, as the government incrementally takes away your rights and works to protect the few with influence.

Lol kid logic is funniest logic

you're correct that the military force was quickly swept away. a force that is easily identifiable by the clothes they wear, and where they stood. however the war was supposed to be on terror, and i can tell you from first hand experience that america did not win that war.
>credentials
owner of a GWOT medal
>credentials don't matter this is the internet
I know, and it makes me a little sad.