Couldn't do it, could you? This is the first step in admittimg jazz is shit. Congrats.
Prove that jazz musicians actually improvise on their albums
Mason Bell
Nicholas Evans
>when you get butt devastated and make a new thread post-ironically
Golden sjhit.
Hudson Torres
>be me
>jazz musician
>improvise
wew lad
Austin Phillips
prove that jazz musicians don't just improvise because they're too lazy to write music
couldn't do it, could you? this is the first step in admittimg jazz it shit. congrats.
Colton Green
You don't know what improvisation in music is.
Eli Peterson
>when you absolutely must avoid OPs point at any cost
LOL
Kayden Lopez
Alternate takes are literally proof of this.
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William Mitchell
No its not. Its proof of two scripted pre written takes. Also its proof that its not ad hoc at all but carefully rehearsed.
Ryan Thomas
Alternative takes
Session releases
Live performances
Anthony Wilson
Lol yeah. They notated every note of these pieces and then carefully rehearsed them til they got it just right and then destroyed the notation and told everyone it's improvised.
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youtube.com
Caleb Bailey
Its called free jazz cuz no one wants it
Cameron Martin
-54370892378952/10
Anthony Lewis
i thought it was all computer generated
Andrew Young
Not proof
Did you have proof or are we pretending your snark is an argument
Caleb Anderson
prove that all classical compositions aren't improvised
Nicholas Carter
You can't call proof not proof. Lazy ass bait.
Juan Morgan
huh?
Xavier Hughes
Ain't you a stupid sad cracker?
Luis Gutierrez
>I am bad at improvising so everyone else is too
Why even make this thread
Jack Hill
jazz musicians repeat their "improvisation" a lot more than they'd like to admit
Angel Hernandez
>what is a motif
Jesus
William Adams
Do you know what proof is? Or are you confused about the term improv...
Matthew Lopez
no I mean between different versions
the idea that everything in jazz has to be extemporaneous is pretty fucking stupid
Henry Turner
...
Jose Kelly
>the idea that everything in jazz has to be extemporaneous is pretty fucking stupid
only people who know nothing about jazz have that idea though
Colton Perez
Yeah, those all display forms of improv.
Eli Scott
I really do think jazz has an unhealthy aversion to notation
Christian Long
Fuck you all for falling for such shitty b8.
It's literally impossible to prove that something is improvised. But you're an idiot if you don't realize that jazz solos are improvised.
Robert Gutierrez
Not on their albums. It also doesnt prove they didn't prewrite and rehearse the album cut... brainlet
Isaac Collins
That's what session releases are for!
Justin Cox
Yeah and maybe those ARE improvised. Then again maybe not. Prove they didnt rehearse before the session releases, or that the players didnt meticulously plan out their solos
Ayden Adams
>jazz musicians don't really improvise
>jazz is bad because of improvisation
Kevin Perez
Jazz albums take a variety of session recordings and put the best recordings of a piece together.
>Prove they didnt rehearse before the session releases
>One can't practice their instrument if they are jazz improvisers
HAHAHAHAHAHA
>or that the players didnt meticulously plan out their solos
Between sessions, whats on the album, and what can be heard live of the same track it's totally different.
Btw what's your proof that they don't improvise?
Austin Collins
Fucking lol if this is serious.
I love mu
Sebastian Roberts
They could just write multiple versions of the same song for sessions. Or improv in the sessions and then play composed music during the album.
Not an argument. So does improv matter to jazz or not? If it is important, and most would say it is, then there should be evidence that it's not all smoke and mirrors designed to sell consumers half thought out / unfinished music.
Gabriel Jones
yes there is definitely enough money in playing jazz for thousands of musicians to keep doing this
thanks OP for debunking jazz for good
James Young
maybe only the successful ones "cheat"
Easton Peterson
Jazz is the last refuge of the untalented. Jazz musicians enjoy themselves more than anyone listening to them does.
Alexander Long
Hahaha, don't know if this is bait, but I'm pretty sure when it comes to studio, it's refined versions of the stuff they played in clubs an shit. With some improv thrown in for good measure.
You want Jazz, see that shit live first. That's their home.