Piles of jobs get replaced with robots if we raise the minimum wage

>Piles of jobs get replaced with robots if we raise the minimum wage
Isn't this a good thing?

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I love those things. I now don't have to talk to people AT ALL

What makes the food?

>4am
>leaving club
>drunk af 2bh famalam
>maccies with the lads
>giant screens
>I can't select my order
>in no state to enter my pin
>no McNuggets for me
>tfw

McDonald's need staff.

>implying you'd be coherent enough to verbally order

the half of the employees that got to keep their job. The machines are pretty dope though. The "McGourmet" burger or whatever they call it, is actually really good.

Soon, another machine.

Don't worry Bernie will fix it.

Only if they give out free sanitary towelettes with every order. I'm not touching a screen that dozens of other people have had their shit encrusted fingers all over and then eat a meal.

Increasing the costs of labor is the number one way to drive innovation. I am all for this.

Wouldn't that mean less jobs, though?

good, i hate people anyways. nothing like going to a store and asking where something is because they move shit around every month, just for the employee to point "oh over there" and the place he fucking points is a wall with what im clearly not fucking looking for. this is why i buy have my shit through amazon, cheaper 60% of the time and i dont deal with retards who want 15 an hour for being idiotic about the job they're even lucky to have.

Of course it is. Only capitalists believe in eternal slave labor because only a capitalist is stupid enough to believe the system meant to serve the species is more important than the species is.

No. Their going to lower the living of standard even more. All the nigs going to be unemployed and turn to crime

As someone who used to work in fast food I can tell you for a fact that being an incoherent drunk at a fast food place is a quick way to get shit in your food.
You alcoholic fucks are annoying as hell.

Yes, its impossible to raise minimum wage and have everyone keep their job

>someone on my college yik yak ranted at me for hours about how there was nothing bad about raising the minimum wage
>told him they would just end up being replaced by automation amo gst other things
>tfw being conservative means that in time you always get to be a smug cunt about being right when liberals try some stupid shit

>Eating at McDonalds.

Deal with it faggot

Good ideas don't need to be forced into existence with law people will just do them.

>Stating a myth as a fact
Well you wouldn't be a libertarian moron if you weren't retarded.

>I agree to this contract because I have no alternatives and you can choose literally anyone else if you so desired meaning I have no protection

Don't kid yourself faggot. Your job is next.

Most grocery stores have wipes to use on carts, I'm sure they'll eventually have the same for touch screens

I'm sorry, is socialism keeping the world running?

>I think the government should force people to give me money.

I love how all the mericunts rush into these treads to defend their jew overlords. Oy vey, livable wages for low income workers would be horrible goyim!

>tfw i work at a company designing shit like that
>tfw I encourage faggots to campaign for minimum wage rises so I can get hired to replace them

The Socialist-esque elements are. America and the entirety of the West would implode in seconds without their massive social nets (which America mostly doesn't have, which is why it doesn't rank like an actual first world country on so many issues). And faggots like you forget that the 1800s was a real time period that actually existed. Go look it up, faggot. See what capitalism was like back then. All the shit you want was in full swing: child labor, no worker protections, no environmental protections.

We got rid of all that awful shit for a very good reason. And if you like free markets, despite rhetoric to the contrary, there actually ARE truly free markets RIGHT NOW. They're called third world slums. Go enjoy one so you can be free from that awful "Socialism" you're so fucking utterly shit-in-pants terrified of.

No $7.50 job is going to get you experience to move up

>(you) end up passing out
>(you) wonder the next day if you ate

It's a false statement. Jobs are ALREADY going to be replaced by, en masse, by robots. Demonizing a higher minimum wage because it will cause something to happen that's already going to happen is just an excuse to keep wages low the peoples subjugated.

It may speed it up by a few years due to greedyness, but it's coming anyway and we need to start preparing for it. Which we won't because no one gives a fuck and it's all about capital.

What's wrong with that. The entity that I and my countrymen support ensure that I don't get fucked over by people because they can.

I like safety nets like any sane person should.

>Isn't this a good thing?
only if we can redistribute income of capitalists

>tfw I know which states are going to pass their minimum wage hikes because we get the kiosk job contracts months in advance
They've never been wrong.

>but any more than that and you'll be losing the company money

>there actually ARE truly free markets RIGHT NOW. They're called third world slums
There is no country with enforced property rights and no redistribution of income scheme. Nice try though.

It technically is. Automation is the future, and we might as well adapt as early as posible

They're going to do this regardless of the minimum wage.

You could get rid of the minimum wage and they would still be killing jobs with new technology/automation.

Stop blaming minimum wage dumbfucks.

>maccies

Maccas sounds better to be honest, family.

Does everywhere else have the make your own burger option now?

Just had an angus burger with bree cheese and chilli pesto which i ordered on a robot.

Sure feels good to be in a country with a stupidly high minimum wage.

Can't fucking wait till I can get my computer science degree and work on those things.

Good for a few, bad for the many.

But isn't that socialism in a nutshell?

>mfw liberals believe this
>mfw they don't know basic accounting
>mfw return on investment is beyond their comprehension
Stay poor and mad subhuman leftoids.

LMAO

Getting a computer science degree is a good way to assure that you're flipping burgers yourself once you graduate, that is if that job hasn't already been automated out.

A computer science degree today holds some of the worst job prospects of any STEM field.

>hating freedom

I may go back and get some ccna certificates.

What makes you say they have to be enforced? They are enforced, by the ability to defend them. It's literally the purest free market on Earth in the purest most anal form of libertarianism. Nice try attempting to claim that libertarians aren't anarchists though.

>$290 a week
>even close to a living wage

nobody can fucking exist on $14,000 a year, that literally creates an entrenched underclass of working poor

>implying any job starting on $7.25 an hour will be any career style work and not just entry level drudgery

Hold on now. You're making the SERIOUS mistake of believing that capitalist give a flying shit. A capitalist is utterly incapable of caring about another living thing. Other living things exist purely to make the capitalist more money or as his property. That's it.

Yes, no more snobby kids that can't get a fucking order correct.

Just don't even go to college, at least not for a technology-related degree (you will have an extremely hard time getting a job).

Go to vocational school and learn a trade that is safe from automation in the foreseeable future.

Do you actually think corporations would stop replacing jobs with new technological automation even if we removed the minimum wage?

Even if you remove the minimum wage and pay obscene wages, the automad systems would still be cheaper. They only cost the electricity use, they can work 24/7, never take sick days or vacations, are far more reliable, less risk, less prone to error, don't have to adhere to various labor laws for humans, etc.

I don't understand how Bern victim minds work on this.
>we need illegals to work low paying jobs
>we need citizens to only be allowed to be paid $15 an hour or more

>cyber warfare for free burgers will happen in your lifetime

Because it's two different elements. The illegal immigration shit is what the rich have delivered to the liberals to support. The raise in minimum wage is a practical stance the liberals actually back on their own.

>how dare Americans have compassion for the poor! we need to have a permanent mass of unemployed people who hate life and have no hope
>then to add insult to injury we need to import unlimited brown skinned people to do the jobs they are now unable to work for since that makes sense
>then lets give them fabulous benefits
brilliant

Order kiosks are great. Just like any little machine or innovation that lets us do more work with less effort.

There is a separate problem of unemployment in low-level work, which has needed no fancy computer terminals to hatch and develop. Just raising the minimum wage will do. If your work's value is below minimum wage, you are now permanently unemployed. Good luck, loser.

It's not useful for the society to keep people out of work for no reason. Unemployed people are unhappy and cause trouble for themselves and the society. We need low-paying, low-level work, and we need a low cost of living to make that work meaningful.

Actually, that brushes on the third problem: the unreasonably high cost of living. We could live like it was the 1800s and that wouldn't be much of a problem. But that sort of quality of life costs almost nothing, too. We've progressed into an insanely expensive quality of life, and that destroys the poor.

>Isn't this a good thing?
It is; unless you're some dropout or a libshit with a bullshit degree, then it isn't.

Those who couldn't find work in their field, say a journalism major in the journalism field, some of them usually end up in fast food or retail. If some of these jobs go automated, there's nowhere for many of them to go unless they go back to school and earn an actual degree. Most libshit degrees only leave you with enough skills to work the cashier, or as a janitor, or some other demeaning position.

If you can't pay your student loans, which is the common route for most who cannot get a free ride (either through scholarships or their parents paying for it), your credit gets ruined and you can't get another loan to retrain. You're basically fucked.

And since some stuff has been automated, those already working there (most likely libshits that ruined their lives with wrong decisions) will get laid off. With the market saturated with lots of low-skill labor and less jobs available (because of automation), they're also fucked.

So the libshits really fucked themselves over with this minimum wage hike. They get a nice lesson in economics and they'd think twice before asking for shit that's beyond the value of what they could give.

Come to think of it, libshits (probably) learning a lesson out of this can also be considered as a good thing, I suppose. That is, if they learn from it, which is highly unlikely. So I'd settle with them just getting BTFO.

Who are you quoting?

How would you have entered your PIN had there been staff?

Would you have asked the staff to enter it for you?

Fucking retard...

If we gave every unemployed person a shovel and told them to dig and fill a ditch we'd have full employment.
If a job can be done by a computer easily and cheaply does it deserve to exist?
Do we still need elevator operators?

The australian guy who has intense hatred of poor people and wants anyone whose skills are worth $14.99/hr or less to, presumably, lay in a ditch and die.

>>implying any job starting on $7.25 an hour will be any career style work and not just entry level drudgery
My gf is trying to get into nursing but can't get her foot in the door (local hospitals won't hire without years of experience). She's considering interning (doing it for free) just for the experience. It would be nice in her situation if the hospital was able to pay $7 an hour but instead since the min wage is being pushed up to $15 here her choices are working for free or not at all

Says the cunt with the highest cost of living in the world. We are truly the cuckiest country, lets trade our prosperity so everythings subsidised and still pay 30%+ in tax back.

Flawless

For someone who otherwise understood the situation very well, you only had one dumb mistake.

They're going to kill these jobs with automation even if the minimum wage didn't exist.

Good. When 85% of jobs are replaced by robots do you think life will be better or worse?
I'm glad more jobs get automized, it's just good news for the human race

if she doesn't place a value on the time she works there the hospital won't hire her

min wage is already livable

can't the remaining workers just unionize and purchase the means of production?

Yeah, but doesn't raising minimum wage make it get Incorporated faster?
Why wouldn't we want faster distribution of labor saving inventions?

She does which is why she's considering the doing it for free route. The annoying part is that because of min wage laws there cannot be a middle ground agreement for say $1-$14 which while not much, would still help my sorry ass pay the bills at the end of the month

>They're going to kill these jobs with automation even if the minimum wage didn't exist.

Impossible to say, but the minimum wage increases are indisputably the proximate cause.

At least we'll have technological progress, and at least we'll have the 1% getting a huge fat increase in profit, just to make the Bernouts happy. Its a bitch that there'll be a great increase in suicides and crime, and even more corporations being chased out of America, but you can't make an omelette without massive damage to society.

$0 income is also livable.

You can't live independently off minimum wage, that is owning your own house or renting without roommates, paying for things like food and utilities, paying for gas for your car which you probably need to get to work, have to pay mandatory car insurance, all sorts of things that suck up money, and receiving no government aid.

You would have to live with roommates to help pay rent, and be BARELY be able to scrape by recieving enough food, with no money to pay for anything but the bare necessities.

You might as well just be fucking homeless, it'd be better than that. I would honestly be homeless before I lived like that.

Don't a lot of people in the US on minimum wage get food stamps and welfare?
This means that their wages are artificially low, the existence of illegal immigrants also artificially lowers wages.
I mean other then abolishing the social safety net and removing illegals, (which would be politically difficult), can't raising the minimum wage to the point where people on it don't receive social assistance get the best of both worlds?

okay, so what? doesn't mean your labor is magically worth more

get good or die, nigger

It's an improvement. We can now go from being a society of beings with varying intelligence into one where less intelligent people are no longer required. If we could build robots to do all the mundane jobs for us, then we can do more with less people.This allows room for scientific development. Engineers will basically become the lowest common denominator (keep in mind engineers are still smart people). Those without brains become less desirable and society as a whole improves (smarter people are much nicer to be around, they don't try steal your shit, because they aren't apes).

As an added bonus, if we remove welfare, it means niggers need to pay attention in class, or else they starve, which basically cleanses out the shit from our society without needing to be "politically incorrect".

You know, you don't need to own a car. I don't, I just get a bus pass
Looks to me with your complaints about insurance and gas that's your biggest expense

>can't raising the minimum wage to the point where people on it don't receive social assistance get the best of both worlds?
The issue is that you create a gap where it's not worth working because you lose your benefits. This issue arises in a few other cases too.
>friend's arm gets rekt in accident
>tries to work as much as he can
>can't work more than something like 18 hours a week or he loses his benefits
>wants to do more but would be punished for it
>spiraling depression because he knows he's a drain on society
But yeah why are people ok with 10million illegals living here...

Problem is that they'd resort to crime
On the plus side, if we let the safety net stay in we would let people do a lot of things that are productive but don't generate capital.
Reading to your kids before bed time increases their intelligence and productivity later in life, but nobody would pay you to do it.
Taking care of your parents when they're sick and infirm, gives them a better quality of life and time with family, nobody will pay you to do it.
Creating work and releasing it to the public domain, no compensation.
Instead of 100k people on food stamps working full time at minimum, why not have 50k at a new high minimum with no social assistance and the other 50k on social assistance?

>Problem is that they'd resort to crime
then they get shot and problem solved

Problem is they have bad aim, and they might Actually hit citizens with bullets and not just each other

There's actually a specific program that gives you more money the more you earn, blanking on the program right now though

fpbp

even if you're a canadian faggot

>They're going to kill these jobs with automation even if the minimum wage didn't exist.
Not necessarily. At least not for a very long time. But like all things, it will eventually get automated or phased out. Look at farming. Back then, you needed an army of people to farm, from seed to harvest. Now you have some form of automation that it requires less people and you don't need them all the time.

It takes some time to make automation systems cheap enough that the $7-something minimum wage is more expensive than having automation. With the minimum wage raised, they hastened that--now the minimum wage will be more expensive than automation, making it more ideal than hiring people.

But maybe it's a good thing. It will force people to rethink what they're doing and force them to make better decisions, especially when it comes to education.

But there's also a downside to that. With people reconsidering what they major in/what degree they get, there would be more people on the job market with higher skills, forcing everyone to compete and lower their asking prices.

Say your friend, because of his choice of being a journalism major is most likely bound to work in fast food or retail, changes his mind and gets a STEM degree instead--say computer programming. And let's say that's also what you're taking. Then imagine the programming field is saturated with people like your friend because they realized that their fallback career in fast food (cashier) no longer exists. Now everyone will compete for the same job and will drive down the value of a programming degree. Basic supply and demand.

Now apply that to any job/career that libshits will now take because their fast food fallback is gone. It's really a downward spiral for all.

Whether we all like it or not, we need people who (by choice or circumstance) are in the bottom. It's not fair, yes, but that's life. You need libshits who make poor choices and end up in fast food.

yes

which is why im #TWEETING4TWENTY

> can't raising the minimum wage to the point where people on it don't receive social assistance get the best of both worlds?

Quite the opposite, the worst of both worlds. Now you have a SHIT TON of unemployed people, and if you get rid of the social safety net, you now have reduced the amount of people to purchase services *AND* are going to greatly increase the amount of suicidal people, criminal people, etc.

Further, now you're massively increasing the demand for illegal immigrants, thus reducing the value of labor, and generally fucking over your country.

The worst of both worlds.

That's just Keynesian economic theory in practice.

You get shot and stimulate the economy by going to the hospital

Oh now I remember. It's the earned income tax credit
Http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2013/03/15/174358638/a-surprisingly-uncontroversial-program-that-gives-money-to-poor-people

yes, that's why I don't really care.
I'm pushing myself through engineering, I wont depend on the gov-a-mint

Yes, and no. More people to take care of on welfare (hooray) but don't have to interact with people (like said) and probably more efficient process. At the same time, there are some jobs meant for machines and some meant for humans. Whenever I get that fake answering machine 'Press 1 to blah blah blah' I get irritated. It's a double-edged sword. A good balance between machines and humans is what is ideal, and hopefully companies realize that.

And all this does is make the rich richer, while even high-skill jobs get fucked.

Which is also a problem with making higher education available for all. With more people having degrees in high-skill fields, it creates a downward pressure on salaries/wages.

Again, like it or not, you need people in the bottom. If everyone had higher education, the value of high-skill jobs would just be a few dollars from low-skill jobs. There would be little to no incentive to work harder to develop one's self for high-skill work, and this could have unforeseen effects in society in general.

This is good for me because I'm anti social and I'm afraid of everything.
I know that robots are my friends and won't judge me.

The thing is, we don't say that the unemployed people are unemployed, we call them disabled. We've already been doing that.
apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/
Thing about disability is that it's for the rest of your life, so you don't have to worry. Their disability is their skill set isn't required. If they break the law and are criminals they're cut off.
If there's demand for illegal immigrants but you enforce your borders, then automization will have to step in

Canadians are fucking pussies.

Does it have special options like no tomatoes in burger, for example, available?

They demanded $15/h now they have to live with that decision. Fuck them.

Wait, free toilets?In every country I've been every fastfood wc was free

Thing is, as more jobs get automized there's eventually a tipping point (and I'm not talking about waitress jobs) where 51% of the population is on welfare or is unemployed, and at that point since we're a democracy you'll end up with some kind of wealth redistribution. I don't know what form it will take nor do I endorse it, but it'll happen and will work itself out

Look at big shot from Ukraine bragging on an international website about how his country's so high and mighty because they have free toilets, I'll have you know that if we didn't have to give money to NATO America could have a free single payer toilet system as well.

Yeah I'm pretty sure he gets that too but I think part of the issue was that the disability checks were worth more (and seriously this guy probably shouldn't be doing a lot of work with how fucked up he is anyway)