So if all it takes is civilians with guns, why couldn't the German Volkssturm stop the US Army?
They were armed with automatic weapons and anti-tank weapons and couldn't do it but you and your shitty AR-15 are going to stop todays even more advanced military? Srsly, go play with yourselves.
Just like the A-10s, Predator Drones and M1 Tanks curbstomped the Insurgency in a week, right?
Oh wait.
Technological advantages don't guarantee victory. Look at how well we did in Vietnam. Look how big of a pain ISIS has been.
This also doesn't take into account the fact that many guys in the military would probably participate in overthrowing the government. They're probably more patriotic and revolutionary-spirited than average people.
>would probably participate in overthrowing the government
And if there is no reason to overthrow an elected government but crazy rednecks still try it, who would they side with?
because no one wants to rule a nation of dead bodies faggot. Do you really think the operators of American military hardware and even commanding officeres would use these powerful weapons on american soil against American cities? They wont, thats the fucking point faggot.
If the time comes for each military member to choose between their people and the government, a substantial percentage will defect
>Do you really think the operators of American military hardware and even commanding officeres would use these powerful weapons on american soil against American cities?
Yes. They did it before.
Vietnam and the ME were difficult because they lacked either the public will or political/military leadership to succeed. A true civil war would lack both. Even if the military was all in for whichever side the executive branch takes, coordinating military action would be a mess.
>choose between their people and the government
What if a significant part of the population is loyal the government?
Then they won't have guns like the obedient pups they are anyway and hence won't fight
>A true civil war would lack both.
How much do you actually know about your own countries history?
You can buy anti-aircraft emplacements. You can buy tanks. You can can buy a jet. You don't even have to neuter them.
It's just expensive as all fuck; you're paying about half of what the military pays for one.
>implying 100% of the US military would murder US citizens and this wouldn't create a giant rift
fuck off
>The Civil war happened
logically connecting that to what were talking about is lazy and infantiel. That was over a century ago and shit has changed.
Well, you said the military is going to side with the people. Which side will it be: The 50% that are pro-government or the 50% that are against it?
I'm loyal to the government, too, if the Communists attempt a takeover. That doesn't mean I would shoot anyone other than the godless Communists.
>why couldn't the German Volkssturm stop the US Army?
Because there was around 2000 of them
There are 180 million gun owners in the US who own litteraly half of the entire world's supply of small arms
The combined us armed forces has roughly 250k combat troops
Shit changed for the worse.
But make no mistake, they attacked us before and they will do it again.
if the government turned rogue, it could easily search hundreds of homes at a time. The people cold do very little.
If the people are armed and willling to fight, it's a pain in the ass. You'd have causulties everywhere. The only reason to still send the military is to prove a point, and at a cost, rather than the operation bringing in riches.
>godless Communists
Like that nazi-communist Obama?
I'm not saying it would NEVER happen. But the playing field would be mostly even if future events put us back into a similar divide to the civil war. Especially since the state guards are subordinate to the governor not the federal government. Many of the larger states' guards are very robust. Armed citizens would also supplement these on both sides.
We whooped ass in Vietnam forced a peace accord and left due to demand back home. The Commies reneged on it after we left everything but a small detachment and we aren't actually fighting Isis user we are using them as cover to bomb Syrian infrastructure to harm the Syrian government.
Why do you think the Media was so fucking pissed when the Russians actually started to fight Isis?
Here's how a New Civil War would pan out in 2016:
>civil war on the horizon
>rest of the world realize that whoever wins the civil war will have access to 5,000 nukes
>"HOLY SHIT, WE BETTER DO SOMETHING ABOUT THOSE 5,000 NUKES!" --rest of the world
>Russia forms an alliance with Mexico and invades from the south
>gets repelled by brave militiamen & patriots on top of the southern Trump Wall
>Canada forms an alliance with Sweden and sends a thousand snackbars our way
>gets repelled by brave militiamen on top of the northern Maple Wall
>russia decides the risk of nuclear warfare is too great and nukes us
>gets repelled by our advanced missile defense systems (NORAD, etc.)
>civil war is over, patriots win and America is still supreme
Are you even trying? America wins every time.
>How big of a pain isis has been
If there was an invasion of isis territory by the American army they'd be absolutely steamrolled
A civil war likely wouldn't be an anarchist uprising. It would be just like the last one we had. States will collectively feel they are getting shafted in one way or another and band their resources together to oppose whatever is happening in Washington.
I have never understood this insanely retarded mentality.
Have you ever SEEN a civil war? In all of history? Take a glance at the dozens of civil wars which have escalated from protest to eventually entail deserted/treasonous military forces. The civil wars that DON'T entail large sections of the military turning on their government are the exception. Such a retarded non-argument, no empirical basis, full retard anti-gun shit right there.
Fucking hell Germany, you people nearly made the French Revolution look like child's play in 1525 when peasants aided by important military veterans and imperial knights participated in the largest revolution UNTIL the French Revolution. There would have been a civil war if it wasn't for the fact that this particular civil war served local princes little and the government was still brutishly feudal, but god damn they were close, and ONLY because they had alliances with military veterans and some good diplomats.
Russia would be funding and training American militias user
The 2nd amendment doesn't say you will beat the government, it only means you have the means for a chance.
We heard you the first time champ
America is like Afghanistan, there are so many firearms it can be "conquered" but there will always be an insurgency.
Yes the Volkstrum also had to fight T34 tanks Airplanes and didn't have anti aircraft guns that the Volkstrum could use. They did a very good fucking job look at the battle of berlin and everything in 1945 the fact these people can knock out a tank or even inflict casualties on the veteran red army is unbelievable.
Name me one time that a bunch of people who got told what panzerfaust was or a gun then the next unleashed hell on a fully trained military. Muslim terrorists would be a good example however they do get more than one day of training. Driving a car full of bombs does require training had no idea but look up ISIS on youtube they remind me of the Volkstrum.
I would say ISIS and the Volkstrum are almost comparable expect ISIS killed half a million people and made a blitz to conquer as much land as possible. The Volkstrum never fought as the offensive where there were winning during Early 1941. Much different when your defending against a much larger army.
ISIS is on the offensive on the defensive they suck. They can't defend shit the Volkstrum held out yea not all of them but one million fucking commies that's not to bad to be honest.
Fighting an uprising≠fighting an army
That picture is filled with false equivalences and ad hominems. Whoever made it should be ashamed of themselves.
The German people lost because they are weak cuckolds. Afghans and Iraqis defeated American soldiers with rusty AK-47s and IEDs. Germans are inferior to sandniggers, as is presently being proven by the "refugee" crisis.
Okay britcuck.
The right to bear arms exists because I have a natural right to life, and that right to life means a right to self defense. It doesn't matter if the aggressor is a random criminal or government. I have a right to self defense.
>gets repelled by brave militiamen & patriots on top of the southern Trump Wall
We have to assume this is either after the wall is built, which would probably be in 2017 unless you had the entire country building it or it's before the election
>Noguns German scolding gun toting Americans for toting guns
fuck off germankike
Your premise is dishonest.
The revelant example is the Glorious Revolution, where universal armament not only stopped tyranny, it did so bloodlessly.
His premise is dishonest because it assumes the right to bear arms only exists to overthrow government.
The US doesn't just have one military. That's why the argument is wrong. Libs think people go buy weapons to prepare for some Cliven Bundy style redneck uprising. (Most buy guns to hunt, shoot targets, or practice self protection but that's beside the point) In reality, a real Civil War in the US would be messy as fuck.
Who guarantees that in some event the US Armed Forces won't stand with the people? and F22 is an air superiority fighter , not an attack jet.
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Stop right there, criminal scum.
Dear Fucktard, the US military has something called the UCMJ, or Uniform Code of Military Justice, which states, you are not required to follow UNLAWFUL ORDERS.
2 examples:
1. being ordered to execute POW's
2. attempting to disarm US populace.
We were carpet bombing your military industrial complex and a lot of your citizens were just happy that the war was going to be over.
We have much more direct access to our military industrial complex. The military also isn't going to do much with its heavy equipment when half of the personnel refuse to fire on their own population and the US Dollar goes kaput, removing 50% of our oil supply almost overnight.
On top of that, we have the manpower. They don't. ~2.2 million in reserves and active duty total, plus ~750k state and local LEOs plus ~120k federal LEOs. A lot of them would not be down with suppressing the population, and we have access to the families of those who would be. We blend in here. 3% of our population is just under 10 mil. That's one hell of an army.
Besides, those of us in flyover country would make sure that our politicians were cut off from food.
Members of the Armed Forces are sworn to protect the Constitution. Or whichever side advocated for its preservation.
Yes we most probably will. No need to dirty our hands hehehe.
I'm sure someone will cite Katrina, but, NO was a nigger shit-hole from wayback
>Does that pilot have a family?
=soft target
>Does his paymaster have a bullet proof vest? =soft target
>The man that fuels that aircraft.
=soft target
When I saw this thread I started looking for this screen cap in my pics, thank you you are a gentleman and a scholar
A tank without fuel and ammunition is useless. Civilians with guns can block the infrastructure easily.
You are a noob in strategic/tactical combat
I'm not sure if these threads are bait or if retards genuinely believe that a modern day civil war in the USA will look like the American Civil War of 1861.
>hurr iz gonna look liek da gubmant versus da rebels guyz cuz dat iz wut my simple brain is imagining!
Times have changed, and along with it, culture, technology, mannerisms, population, etc. There wouldn't be a two sided war; there would be many factions including forces from foreign countries. It would be a gigantic cluster fuck of skirmishes and guerrilla warfare all around the country. There is no way for anyone to determine who is friend or foe; people aren't going to be wearing a blue or gray uniform to show which side they're on. People will literally be shooting each other from the windows of their houses and apartments.
Many people would just hide in shelters and basements or retreat to the wilderness. Many military and police personnel would defect or abstain and there would be a critical shortage of manpower to wage war because a military isn't just infantry and tanks like in the movies; it's a complex system that involves supply, transportation, maintenance, and medical too.
maybe we shuld be able to get fighter planes with missiles, rockets and tactical nukes. you know, jsut to keep the government in check.
>a military isn't just infantry and tanks like in the movies; it's a complex system that involves supply, transportation, maintenance, and medical too.
Logistics, logistics, logistics...
It takes a lot to keep a modern conventional military up and running. You want to stop those Apaches from running? Shoot the mechanics. Those thinks do kick major fucking ass in the field, but they also take a shitload of maintenance. Asymmetric warfare is making the enemy spend $50k by firing a $0.50 bullet.
How could a ordinary guy take on such military might. With just an automatic weapon.
Sneak up to the hanger and empty a few clips into what's their. Do you know how much that would cost to fix. A ordinary bloke with a gun is the most dangerous weapon there is.
Germany couldn't feed itself retard, and there is no way in hell any government is going to bomb it's own people.
one sizable uprising means the government collapses because suddenly a great deal of people aren't paying their taxes and are openly protesting the government.
and the north nearly lost its will to fight a few months in.
that like 10% now.
We overthrew our own government without shedding a blood, twice.
So did the sand niggers in their Arab Spring
Stop thinking that life is a videogame where you are the MC
Just plain civil disobedience is enough to destroy the economy of the country and force the government to surrender to the will of the people. This is just basic economy, not rocket science
Sadaam was a retarded commander. He looked on as US began a massive buildup and didnt even order a retreat.
What can they do to stop even 3,000 armed people rushing the white house from D.C.
they wouldn't even have time to react before the entire government was fucked.
I wonder if the guy flying that jet feels that the 2nd amendment should be repealed with another amendment. The vast majority of the military is pro gun dummy
All they had to do was start an insurgency and the Allies would've abandoned their occupation.
How does it feel knowing a bunch of goat-fucking mudslimes accomplished what your shitty excuse for a "master race" couldn't?
invading a foreign nation is completely different to a civil war, you dense cockroach
nah the german is right. i used to agree with you but americans would not win a civil war because the elite do not require your labor. most of their economy is in africa and asia and for every one american they kill they can bring in 20 niggers and mexicans to replace you
both sides will claim that they are the true defenders of the constitution, though
one would argue that the constitution has to be suspended to be protected and the other will say that the constitution needs to be changed to return it to its "original principles"
Do you know what the first act of the US military was in the Civil War?
Dividing into two separate armies with equivalent arms.
Insurgency only works if your enemy doesent commit to total war. Ww2 was total war and an Insurgency would of done nothing to the allies.
If its a civil war both sides will likely have military supplies. If its a uprising it will be exactly like invading foreign nations except worse because they have access to all of your production and logistics.
>implying other countries wouldn't back the revolution like the US does in other countries all the time.
how are you going to assemble and coordinate thousands of armed men in a major city without being noticed
>being this retarded.
One group will say it shouldn't change the other will say its time to change. Are you retarded? Do you even know the basic difference between the politically left and right?
It only takes 1% of the population to topple a government.
Facebook, Sup Forums, twitter
This.
Also OPs pic assumes the bulk of our military personnel would attack their own citizenry.
If shit got so bad that the people rose up to attack the government there would be military defectors rolling tanks towards the white house.
then you'll have a huge mess, like syria. like when the chinese get involved. who does NATO back?
So you meant to suggest "Just give up. It is hopeless!"
But for people who are not pussies the "Ha, ha, government will fuck you up," implication is a reason to get better equipped not less equipped.
You wouldn't know about having pride in your culture though. So you can't believe that anyone would dare suggest that Citizens should have more power and more rights.
Do you understand the importance of positioning in how it pertains to military strategy?
Not to mention that the army shall not be used against the people, but we can nix that for the sake of discussion.
If 19 people without guns can kill 3,000 why is it inconceivable that a nation of gun owners wouldn't be able to topple a government of individuals? (if they were pushed to do so)
700,000 people live in DC. All you need is about 30% of the population on your side. You are never going to win a revolution if the majority is not on board.
>we're already almost completely powerless, might as well just give up the last piece of protection we have!
Absolutely cucked
no, you're the retard. both sides will sell themselves as "true patriots" and "truer patriots". both will claim legitimacy from "the people"
Your point is self defeating.
Owninf tanks and fighter jets are completely legal in the US while owning automatic firearms is not. Clearly the government is more fearful of the latter.
In a free society the government SHOULD fear the people.
Soldiers are human too. If you expect the entire US army, and army consisting of men who have grown up in a free america who have nothing to gain from enslaving their own people, to kill their own people and risk their families you are delusional. There is no way for america to create a police state without the majority of the army going against them and shooting the politicians instead of the people.
My dad was in the air force for 20 years. One guy messing up his job grounds a plane.
Not a single person I've met in the armed forces would turn a gun on American citizens on our soil. In fact, those military members would be the strongest opposition to such warfare.
Remember, the sting of 1000 bees will make the largest foe flee.
As an American, born with rights few in the world are reserved, you're indebted to sting when swatted.
washington dc has the highest median income of any american city. do you think they're going to be chomping at the bit to topple the government?
>Haha, don't even pretend like you could defeat the government. Just hand over your guns and submit to the state. It's h o p e l e s s
they'll kill americans when push comes to shove, they'll just mentally re-classify them as traitors.
the unspoken corollary to "i will never turn my gun on american citizens" is "if i turn my gun on you it means you're not a citizen"
This
I'll never understand the cuck mentality.
get those linens ready boi
besides a civil war is much more damaging than invading someone elses shit
>this thread again
And it's always by the same German. Don't you have some rapefugees to welcome Hans?
Also, what is Vietnam?
yes. Again revolutions can't occur without a large portion of the country on their side. its not like we allow citizens to have guns because we think every group of 15 good ol boys can take on the government.
Good old times...To think that we traded Gothic Knights against nu-males and Merkel for Friedrich as the symbols of Germany... Depressing.
Fair enough. All the more reason the people need the right to shoot them back
This. If vietnman didn't work what do you think would happen if insurgents had direct access to all of your resources.
to deny the citizenry weapons is the core aspect of tyranny, still krauts love that shit
Germany lost because there were also ten million russians charging thier other front, your and idiot enjoy arab cock
You're a fucking idiot man theres only like 1000 planes theres 250 MILLION guns
sure
sure
>This unconfirmed post on Sup Forums is evidence!
No. The military is already failing and falling apart. If only 10% of people quit their jobs, and 1% of those people turned to sabotage, the military would be out of commission over night.
We are spread too thin, and underfunded. On top of that, there are patriots in the military, and the constitution is important to these men and women.
STFU idiot.
the government signs the military's paychecks
here's another problem with this whole revolution idiocy, who's going to pay for it? even the militias gotta eat (and eat and eat, judging from their fat asses). fighting an armed insurgency pretty much means you can't make it into work
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