Sup Forums will defend this and find a way to victimize black people and mexicans while making excuses for corporate...

Sup Forums will defend this and find a way to victimize black people and mexicans while making excuses for corporate billionaires

#FeelTheBern

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latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html
huffingtonpost.com/l-randall-wray/bernankes-obfuscation-con_b_1147291.html
detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/2014/12/29/federal-government-lost-auto-bailout/21019899/
google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwjimfr18ezMAhVDpB4KHZ1fAlcQFggdMAA&url=http://www.levyinstitute.org/pubs/wp_698.pdf&usg=AFQjCNErtU6qLkAolt3ls_RG4bcYBJSf_w
money.cnn.com/2015/10/14/news/economy/china-middle-class-growing/
projects.propublica.org/bailout/
twitter.com/SFWRedditVideos

Well, considering the first link doesn't work any more, and the White House link doesn't say anything to that effect, I'm going to go with OP being a faggot.

An ad-hom response making allocations and apologies for corporate welfare and demonizing under cared for minorities, shocking!

and there it is, the deafening silence of Sup Forums being BTFO

go fuck yourself when you whine about black people and mexicans using welfare

I would rather give half my income to a productive institution than a single penny to any individual citizen.

I just told you that the sources didn't back up the infographic, so unless you can explain why they do, fuck off :^)

No such evidence exists to prove this idiocy.

Try harder.

Oh so you're OK with the vast corporate subsidies they receive via tax breaks? Fuckin jackass.

OP is just being a cuck today

Everyone out.

>corporate subsidy
>tax break
not the same thing
I'm against subsidies for everyone, corporations and people included

Don't put words in my mouth

Making excuses for corporate billionaires is probably Sup Forums's #1 skill.

>1/3 the entire budget is military spending
>somehow you're blowing 16 times the entire military budget proportion in "corporate subsidies"

no this chart is fucking fake as shit

they're also "sourcing" a website called "common dreams" then citing the whitehouse.gov

so the first 6 citations are actually true but the last one is completely made up because they're not actually telling you what a "corporate subsidy" is and they're probably rounding every farm subsidy into that or scholarship or other government grant because they couldn't be damned to tell you what their arbitrary definition is

you're literally rounding a bunch of shit into your arbitrary definition of a "subsidy"

if you actually go back, the defense spending is a majority of what people pay in taxes but somehow this made up shit dwarfs literally everything because you included a bunch of shit in it that isn't actually a real subsidy at all

>corporate subsidies
>doesn't piss off Republicans who are free-market

And who pays me that $50K. (Hint, it's NOT the welfare recipients).

That doesnt seem right.
though if you the whole "get more of what you subsidize, get less of what you tax" is correct then hell yeah lets subsidize the shit out of corporations and tax the dindus to death.

Americans on 50,000 only pay 10% tax? Sounds like heaven.

For all the corporate cucks:

latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html

huffingtonpost.com/l-randall-wray/bernankes-obfuscation-con_b_1147291.html

detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/2014/12/29/federal-government-lost-auto-bailout/21019899/

>B-but corporations don't take welfare! It's those fucking lazy poor people the corporations propagandized me to hate!

Inb4 whines like finacky babies presented with carrot baby food that the links aren't "Sup Forums approved".

TL;DR: Sup Forums is a bunch of retarded, whiny faggot cuckolds.

>Capitalists
>Free market
Kek. I think the life history of all the "free market" shill hypocrites is enough proof that capitalists approve of literally any policy that takes money from others and gives it to them. The couldn't give a flying shit less about markets.

You're the one who produced that wealth, you fucking willing idiot slave. I would think Sup Forums would have a greater sense of self-determination, rather than its beat dog bullshit nonstop.

This is a load of shit you communist fuck, I'm looking at my last paystub literally right now:

>GROSS PAY: $1,531.51
>FED WITHHOLDING: $198.91
>MEDICARE: $22.21
>SOCIAL SECURITY: $94.96
>STATE WITHHOLDING NY: $67.47
>STATE DISABILITY NY: 1.20

THAT WAS ONE PAYCHECK

ONE

TWO WEEKS/80 HOURS = 384 FUCKING DOLLARS TO THE GOVERNMENT IN ONE CHECK

TO FEED USELESS BERNOUTS LIKE YOU. I DON'T EVEN MAKE 2K A FUCKING PAYCHECK AND I'M HIT FOR 400 OF IT.

EVERY
TIME

RRREEEEEEEE

>sources a bunch of news sites and huffington post

Lol only ~10% taxed? Try 27.3 + State and SS for that income

Yet they love Obama?

What'd I say? A bunch of finicky fucking babies. I'm not sorry that I didn't link from conservapedia, faggot. Why don't you get out of your fucking echo chamber safe space and go learn something?

>I'm sorry I didn't pick real sources
>I couldn't be bothered to source the publically available federal budget plan for 2015 but I only want to cite shitty websites that support my narrative

thats literally called a confirmation bias

Which sources would your sensitive, thin skin approve of?

Meant for this.

News websites are never a reliable source you dumb cunt. Shouldn't basic schooling teach you that? Government websites site this shit, not your "conservapedia" bullshit.

How much does Israel get?

If you are against corporate subsidies then you are in line with the tea party.

>why didn't you source the PUBLICLY AVAILABLE 2015 fed budget?
>hurr what sources would you even like?

a fucking objective source like the source to the fucking fed budget

but no you'd rather cite huffingtonpost

But they come from sources, YOU dumb cunt. You believe what you want, because you faggots are infinitely worse than SJWs. Anything that disagrees with your bullshit views derived from propaganda is instantly "false" and you literally won't even look at the evidence. That's bluepilled and dishonest as fuck. If you honestly think that corporations don't take in more tax dollars than the poor, you're nothing but a shill doing it for free. Which makes you a triple cuck.

>But they come from sources,
the worst fucking sources.

>you believe what you want
I'll believe the publicly available 2015 fed budget, not your retarded bias cites

>huffingtonpost
OMG SOMEONE SAID HUFFINGTON POST ON Sup Forums!!

Sorry for not adding a trigger warning, transbabby-san.

If I spend $400 a week on rent and about $50 booze, which do you think I would cut out first to save some shekels?

you sourced one of the least reliable sources for information

You are greatly overestimating the number of people here who are "corporate cucks." Pointing out an infographic outright LIES isn't being into "apologia for big government," its pointing out lies.

Just amend the fucking chart. Amend the fucking chart. I am having to yell at people on pol all the time for presenting erroneous details.

If anything, I am economically left wing (at least according to political compass).

Just correct the infograph, FFS.

Well I don't actually PAY a subsidy to those companies because a tax cut isn't a subsidy.

I just checked the federal budget of the USA and your numbers are fake

I don't understand Bernie people, the left are the ones who want corporate subsidies. With clean energy, etc...

I'm not even a conservative, I just know from basic fucking education that you don't site news websites. If they site their sources then link their sources instead.

You act like news websites never tweak wording or generalize half truths to brainwash people with their propaganda.

This

The same reason you don't cite wikipedia, you cite wikipedia's sources

unfortunately, since the economic left just lies, lies, lies, and doesn't want a discussion on the issues, people can't have discussion on the issues, because fucking NOBODY WANTS A DISCUSSION ON THE ISSUES.

If you want a discussion, quit lying. That's all you gotta do.

while writing a response on how op was a faggot I realized where he got that number: alot of the US military spending may go to subsidizing companies.

but then again if the US spends 6% of its budget on medicare, so if the op has it here at ~250usd then it would pay 1500% more in corporate subsidies if his graphic is to be believed.

but given the graphic I provided it would mean that the US spends 96% of its budget on corporate subsides and that is not even possible given that it spend 6% on just medicare.

so kill yourself op, you fucking faggot. do you think we are so stupid as to fall for this shit?

All you gotta do is make something like in the OP, only one that doesn't lie. All you have to do is NOT LIE. Try NOT LYING. Just present the fucking facts.

>ZOMG FACTS ARE RACIST AND PROBLEMATIC

Just. The. Facts. Can you do it? Just make an infograph showing the fucking facts.

How does all of the above affect people affect people on a practical level? That's all I want to know, and that's all anyone wants to know.

Your image is discretionary spending, not the total budget.
The total spending is 3.8 trillion and the percentages are off, but the point still stand: OP is a faggot.

I do not believe it. Defense it the largest part of the budget,. pic is bullshit.

Actually, probably near 100% of military spending goes to government subsidies via the MIC. And they ALWAYS overcharge.

ITT: WAHH THE LEFT LIES! THE RIGHT ALWAYS TELLS THE TRUTH!

Just hold your little sandy cunts, cucks. I'm looking up original sources (fucking wasting my time because you'll immediately dismiss them as "unimportant" as soon as I do), but when I do I'm going to spam a thread for weeks with them.

>actually nearly 100% of the military spending
source?

You realize that companies develop and sell to the military right? Who do you think makes the M4A3's? Who makes the engines to the C-130's? Who makes the turbines for the tanks? Who makes the Humvees?

That is NOT a subsidy by any definition

you mean the same people who go out and spend 5 bucks on a cup of coffee and 8 buck on a cheese burger... the same people who complain about not being able to feed their kids but then brag about getting a new $600 dollar phone and a new 4k TV. The middle class sheep who keep giving all their money away to the 1% and then complain everything is unfair. maybe if you stop spending money on materialistic things, that the 1% keep jamming up your ass you would not have to worry about corporate billionaires. your just fucking jealous.

Actually, yes, in this case the left is lying, lying, lying. 60% goes to social security, NEETs, medicare, etc. 16% to the military.

UMAD DUMB NIGGER??
ALSO CHECK EM!!!!

Noice

checked

>corporate subsidies
you don't pay for tax benefits used by corporations.

you're refering to money which they didn't pay in taxes because a 35% corporate tax rate is fucking retarded and we have to relieve their tax burden with a million caveats.

berntards don't even know how tax brackets work half the time.

I'm pissed off that any of my money is being taken.

Sup Forums is a bunch of bootlickers. Making these threads is pointless

>Actually, probably near 100% of military spending goes to government subsidies via the MIC. And they ALWAYS overcharge.

I am sure the US spends most of the military budget in just maintenance, for it is expensive to run a military of that size.

but a lot of the US budget is not payed for via taxes so there is that.

It ABSOLUTELY is corporate welfare in its purest form. The American MIC is the most corrupt system in all of human history. War should not be a for-profit enterprise, nor should education or healthcare and the MIC is making fucking bank.

No, shithead. Corporations get HANDED money from tax dollars.

google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwjimfr18ezMAhVDpB4KHZ1fAlcQFggdMAA&url=http://www.levyinstitute.org/pubs/wp_698.pdf&usg=AFQjCNErtU6qLkAolt3ls_RG4bcYBJSf_w

Here's the info for the bank bailouts for now. By the way, big surprise, it's EXACTLY what Huffpost reported.

Who said we aren't pissed at subsidies?

you're not claiming enough withholdings or whatever they're called on your tax form. you should be claiming like 4 or more since you make so little money, you need to pay almost nothing into federal withholdings.

ASSBLASTED

actually both piss me off because I'm in favour of a fucking free market, fuck propping up stupid shit with taxpayer money.

Just present the correct facts instead of lying.
When you lie, once someone discovers your lie, they become driven to oppose you.

bourgeois oppressing u rly hard rn oh my god OH MY GOD the 1% the 1% the 1%

stfu

You mean those same corporations paying politicians to get more immigrants here so I can make much, much less than 50k?
Pretty sure I can be pissed off at more than one group of people.
I make close to 20 dollars an hour at my current job
A friend who moved to Texas made 11 doing the same work with a shitload of illegals

And by the way, the US government only receives about 3-4 Trillion in tax revenues a year, so the bank bailouts ALONE will cost this country an entire DECADE of tax revenues, without factoring in any other massive expenses such as SS or the MIC's leeching off the government tit.

That's just one example. We haven't even covered the motor vehicle bailouts or Elon Musk's $5 in subsidies or even any other corporation.

*Elon Musk's $5 billion

I'm not a smart man.

Please explain very clearly with facts, how $4,000 a year is used in corporate subsidies?
If you tell me to look it up myself, then that just clarifies that you can't explain it because it is a false claim.

Also, Bernie Sanders wants to raise taxes an extra $5,000 for those earning $50,000 annually, to give specifically to college students and universal shit healthcare.

No working sources, your statistics are actual, outright lies. Nice try though OP.

Also, I'm not in favour of subsidies, OR welfare.

>No, shithead. Corporations get HANDED money from tax dollars.
that's not what you were refering to, and not in any way sauced from your info to the magnitude you whine about.

you should probably vote for trump, who proposes a flat corporate tax rate with no caveats, and eliminating useless pork contracts.

bernie basically lives off the idea of increased tax rates with even more caveats, and even more pork contracts which he calls "work programs".

you're trying to attach a candidate who is the opposite of your meme's intent.

if you oppose corporate tax breaks and excessive contracting of labor by the government; you need to head to the right, not to the left.

Except you can't just lump in ALL CORPORATE subsidies as BAD

Countries like Germany/Japan/Korea/China all subsidize their companies, in order for the USA to compete at the same level we need to do the same thing.

If I am a job creator looking to build a factory, im not going to put this factory in the USA unless I get a subsidy.

I'm going to build it in China because the Chinese government is going to offer me 100 million worth of subsidies over 10 years.

The Chinese government will get their tax money back when all of the workers hired by my factory Start paying 30% of their paychecks to the government.

Lets say my factory earns 50 mil a year revenue and pays out 25 mil worth of wages a year, 20 mil in other costs and profits = 5 mil

All the other costs = sales taxes

All the wages paid out = income taxes

All the profit = income taxes

So suddenly the chinese government is earning probably 10 mil a year in extra taxes

While providing 10 mil a year in subsidies.

What happens when the 10 years of tax breaks run out?

Suddenly tax revenue jumps by 10 mil a year permanently

Oh hohohoho user

>the bank bailout was 30 trillion dollars
this is a good thread.
it's making me laugh.

but i'm also sad cause you might actually be able to vote.

I forgot to mention that Obamacare is a corporate subsidy.

>and not in any way sauced from your info to the magnitude you whine about.
Read, you fucking nigger. You are American, so I'll understand if you can't.

What'd I say? I posted the PDF. Fucking read it.

You're an early bird as I can see.

see

We need to subsidize companies or they will have NO INCENTIVE to build in the US

No subsidies = they go to another country, employ their people instead, that country gets rich by siphoning the tax dollars from the newly opened factory and newly employed factory workers

This is what China is doing, they offer massive subsidies to companies like GM and Intel to move production to China. Sometimes they even offer to construct the office spaces for free

The Chinese government knows that they will get the cost of the subsidies back when they tax the employees and profits of the company

They aren't stupid, and Trump isn't stupid, trump understands this

source?

still hasn't provided one, just calls people fucking nigger and links to google.

he's moved on to claiming that the US spent $29 trillion dollars on the bank bailout because he doesn't understand the programs involved in the bailouts.

>you're trying to attach a candidate
Wait what? I never even referred to a candidate. What the fuck are you talking about? You're the autist who can't stop sucking Trump's dick long enough to actually fucking read what's being posted.

>We need to subsidize companies or they will have NO INCENTIVE to build in the US
You have exactly as much and ZERO more right to claim that bullshit as anyone else has to claim that welfare for the poor is justified. Your argument is as shit as you claim your opponents' are.

>No subsidies = they go to another country, employ their people instead, that country gets rich by siphoning the tax dollars from the newly opened factory and newly employed factory workers
Yes, corporate shill, and no welfare for the poor means a significant portion of the American population literally dies of starvation like the third world country we're trying so hard to be. You know, India, China and Brazil all have headquarters for massive corporations and it doesn't do a god damned thing for them.

>Inb4 IT'S SOCIALISM! EVERYTHING I DON'T LIKE IS SOCIALISM! ...even though we're literally talking about corporations IT'S STILL SOCIALIST! CORPORATIONS ARE SOCIALIST!

>This is what China is doing, they offer massive subsidies to companies like GM and Intel to move production to China. Sometimes they even offer to construct the office spaces for free
Your own argument defeats itself because China is a giant, polluted. overpopulated, poverty-stricken shithole.

>Trump isn't stupid
Welp that discredited everything you've said more than any amount of ignorance and logical failure on your part.

I'm not OP, you fucking retard. And I didn't just claim it, I posted a source. How about you read before spouting bullshit first?

>he doesn't understand
Oh boy, it's the "oh you see, I'm still right, even though you've proven me wrong, it's just that you don't understand" defense. Get fucked, shill.

NIGGIE SANDERS SHILL

you're arguing about a bernie meme, bernbro.

>hurr durr, look at this paper that says $29 trillion dollars got shifted around and traded and swapped. WE SPENT 30 TRILLION GUYS! it'll take us 10 YEARS to get that tax money we spent back

fuck off, retard.

try harder

No, I'm using the meme OP posted as a jumping point for the point he was failing to make (because he wasn't trying) - that corporate welfare is a massive cancer and that, yes, it is fucking real - although I'm not sure why that needs to be stated as if it's a fucking conspiracy theory or something.

Again. What the fuck did I predict you faggots would do? What'd I say, you fucking worthless nigger?

Always an excuse. Always lies then claiming everyone else is lying. Fucking kill yourself.

sure totally.

All warfare is wrong.

No subsidies for anyone. Let the free market reign

>tfw the government is subsidizing trillions of dollars by not taxing everyone at 100%

you dumbass the bailouts are repaid by the banks. bailing out the banks is the best thing obama has done for you, you fucking retard. do you understand how many people would lose their jobs if the US banking system failed?

and no not just the bankers, but any company that had a deficit would not be able to aquire loans and would be forced to close and shit like that.

>You have exactly as much and ZERO more right to claim that bullshit as anyone else has to claim that welfare for the poor is justified. Your argument is as shit as you claim your opponents' are.

Corporate welfare is justified because its an investment, If I give a company a tax break, I will be able to collect more in taxes in the future

Welfare for the poor is not justified because the poor aren't going to increase their economic productivity, in fact its the exact opposite, the bigger the welfare check the less economic productivity (The why work when I can live on welfare) which is precisely why communist china and the USSR collapsed.

>You know, India, China and Brazil all have headquarters for massive corporations and it doesn't do a god damned thing for them.

They live BETTER than the people in Africa

They reason why they live so poorly in Brazil, Africa etc... is because they DON'T have enough world class companies like Apple, Tesla, GE, Siemens, Sony etc....

The reason why Africa is a shithole and the USA is rich is because the USA has companies like GE, apple, Tesla, Google etc...

If all these companies left the USA taking their jobs with them the USA would become a third world country overnight

>Your own argument defeats itself because China is a giant, polluted. overpopulated, poverty-stricken shithole.

money.cnn.com/2015/10/14/news/economy/china-middle-class-growing/

China's middle class is now the biggest in the world, and growing much faster than America's, according to research by Credit Suisse.
There are 109 million Chinese with wealth of between $50,000 and $500,000. Since 2000, twice as many Chinese as Americans have joined the middle class.

Chinese are getting richer at an astonishing rate. Wealth per adult has quadrupled to about $22,500 since 2000. The country now accounts for a fifth of the world's population, while holding about 10% of global wealth.

>your first source does not exist
>your second source is wrong
That's not ad hominem, he's attacking your argument directly. Sage.

>Your own argument defeats itself because China is a giant, polluted. overpopulated, poverty-stricken shithole.


and yet china has become one of the most desired markets on the planet, which is another reason why corporations flock there.

We did NOT have a 30 trillion bailout

this was not free money, this was invesment money

the federal government has received 687.9 Billion that was paid back over 7 years

this equals a rougly 1% a year return on investment
projects.propublica.org/bailout/

We had a 618.9 billion bailout

how about we stop all of those?

Bernie Sanders literally said it himself "America is the richest country in the world", there is no excuse being poor - poverty is a choice.. check your privilege berncuck, the fact that we're having this debate shows that neither of us are poor - unless you're a retard who prioritizes luxury services over needs... which I wouldn't write off.

I do agree both welfare and corporate welfare needs to be cut though, this would make industry great again and prevent the poor from breeding.

>this

top kek

it seems bigger retards than op made their way on this thread.