Hey Sup Forumslacks. The FDA has decided to put new rules on cigars, pipe tobacco, and vaping. Under these rules every new cigar, pipe, or vape blend released since 2007 will have to be pulled from shelves and undergo FDA certification. This costs upwards of 10,000 dollars per cigar and is plainly designed to kill the industry. They have also said they wont be approving and flavored fruit or candy blends whatsoever so we can say bye to aromatic pipe tobacco and practically all the popular vape blends. THIS ISN'T SOME SHIT THAT MIGHT HAPPEN THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AND WILL GO INTO EFFECT IN AUGUST! Dont let these fucking cucks take this shit away from us. Fight back sign the petition and write to your congressman. I'm attaching links to a whitehouse petition and a website that automatically writes to your congressman.
Speaking as an oral cancer survivor, I don't see a problem banning these products.
Speaking as a realist, banning addictive products just creates a criminal black market and drives demand underground.
Matthew Reyes
neither
shits bad for you, does nothing
Aiden Robinson
>speaking as a person who drank bleach I don't see what's wrong banning cleaning products
I'm not gonna let my self get cucked because you never heard of self control
Jack Campbell
It's an enjoyable way to socialize and most cigar smoker only smoke 2-5 times a week. Plus why ban a product for full grown adults. Shouldn't you have control over what you put in your body rather than the government.
Charles Edwards
how is this dog cooler than me
Henry Russell
degenerate habits, implying I care.
Hudson Peterson
Wunderbar
Anthony Kelly
> greedy as fuck vape stores suddenly go out of business Good, now you can't sell liquid for $40 that costs a fraction of that to prepare
Josiah Williams
As someone who smokes cigars I don't know how to feel about this. It would probably make it so I wouldn't smoke them anymore but it's still fucking retarded.
Juan Gomez
It's pretty obvious you're coming here not as a member of Sup Forums but rather some lobbyist whose employer stands to profit from the overturning of the bill, but I'll bite anyway.
Since you attached no information about the actual bill I'm going to assume it's exactly as bad as you imply, which I doubt it actually is.
I live in California where we have super strict laws on smoking and tobacco products. In a few months the legal smoking age is going to go up to 21. It's been illegal to smoke inside public places for my entire life as far as I know (I'm 23). We're already not allowed to sell flavored cigarettes. There's a bill to make vape products exactly the same as cigarettes in the eyes of the law.
In the end there will be loopholes. You can still buy a few brands of flavored cigarettes because they're not marketed as "cigarettes", but instead "mini cigars". The laws will never be able to keep up with the trends. When the government bans a certain chemical of synthetic marijuana, the chemists find a new chemical and sell that. When the medical marijuana dispensaries get shut down they find new ways to comply with the letter of the law and try again.
Doesn't seem that bad to me to be quite honest with you family.
John Wright
i dont actually care if its banned or not. not banned would be better i just dont want second hand smoke. hate the smell and the fact i get cancer from it when theres no reason for that to happen in the first place.
if they smoke on their own away from other people who don't want to breathe it in thats cool.
side note theres just so many degenerates who smoke cigs and toss butts on ground. someones gotta flip those burgers, not going to be me.
Carson Thompson
>smoking the cancerous Jew. Honestly this is a good thing.
Dominic Reed
sun visor
blacked out sunglasses
czech m8
Andrew Baker
>not smoking Uncle Stalin smoked so there is literally no reason not to smoke
Tyler Reyes
Aromatics are shit anyway.
Jose Martinez
>believing the second hand smoke meme
The only time second hand smoke is legitimately dangerous is when you're forced to be in the same car or same house as a smoker who smokes inside, and even then it would have to be over a long period of time, like years.
Propaganda is strong with cigarette smoking. I had a friend in high school who was convinced that you get addicted after the very first cigarette because that's what pop culture had him believe.
The only people who get harmed by second hand smoke are children who are forced to breathe their parents' smoke for years on end. Even then it's not discernible to tell whether they were predisposed to illnesses due to their parents smoking habits before they were born or if it was a direct cause of the physical smoke.
Ethan Ortiz
I am a smoker and wish it was harder to get, if shit gets more expensive it will give me a greater incentive to quit. Plus I am not a vaping fedora lord.
Thomas Ramirez
Bans and censorship dont work America is proof of that maybe we can use this as justification to disband the fda as they have done nothing of value for a century and just fast-track prescription drugs that have few benefits and terrible side-effects
Colton Adams
California sucks.,,far too litigious.
Gabriel Roberts
Just to be clear this has no effect on cigarettes whatsoever.
Xavier Rogers
Good. I hope they ban this shit outright. I'm tired of the fucking "vapers" or the cigar-smoking edgelords berating me for smoking cigarettes. Oh, what's that? You need your nicotine fix and want a cigarette? Yeah fuck off.
James Hernandez
theres no way this is real. cigarettes are allowed but the government effectively outlaws relatively safe products, that appeal only to the gourmet fringe of tobacco users? Surely they don't want 1776 to commence again.
Levi Moore
This little nigga doesn't know about nicotine keeping you wise.
Adam Wilson
>cigar smoker >need your nicotine fix That's not how it works, m8.
Isaiah Butler
Nothing will happen. We'll still be able to buy our cigars whenever we want.
Jaxon Perry
Nothing of value was lost
Andrew Thompson
>new rules on cigars this is antisemitic
Gabriel Young
>It's pretty obvious you're coming here not as a member of Sup Forums but rather some lobbyist whose employer stands to profit from the overturning of the bill, but I'll bite anyway.
A lobbyist would know his shit better than OP. Companies have until 2018 to get into compliance. OP is correct that this is going to put a lot of small cigar companies out of business and it's going to fundamentally change how business is currently done. The reason for this is that the current industry sells to customers who are absolutely gaga over limited edition runs and collect them like rare baseball cards.
Leo Wood
I'm tired of these totalitarian control freaks. People should be able to make their own choices and live with the consequences.
Leo Butler
You don't have to inhale it to get nicotine.
Brayden Gomez
I don't work for anyone involved in the tobacco or vaping industry even remotely. I just like my hanging out at my b&m, just to be clear this is nothing new for cigarettes and "mini cigars" which i believe are already subject to fda rules. this is specifically about premium cigars, pipe tobacco, and vaping. I personally dont vape but I still don't think it should be so heavilly regulated. all this will do is give cigarette companies more market share.
Luis Williams
If the government was really concerned about peoples' health they would ban faggots from buttfucking a thousand strangers a year.
Jonathan Hill
As a libertarian I agree
Cooper Ross
This is exactly why MO was the best performing stock of the second half of the 1900s - everyone shits on tobacco but municipalities will never ban it because it brings in too much tax revenue.
Long MO and BTI (owns other US competitors and better intl exposure especially India through ITC stake).
Aiden Sanchez
I didn't say he was the most professional lobbyist employed by Marlboro, I just said he and his company stand to lose from the bill. He could just be the son of a mom and pop cigar store who might get hit by it, I'd still call him a lobbyist since he only comes here to sway public opinion and policy.
Jason Harris
>we care about your health! Meanwhile half of the population is obese
Oliver Morris
First day on the job? Stop shilling for the government bootlicker
David Richardson
Doesn't this encompass swisher sweets? There's gonna be a category 6 chimpout
Justin Jones
>bad for you
Not the point faggot. If they can do this then the government will be able to kill any industry they want by request of the competition or globalists. They will soon stomp out more and more of the free market, and tell you what you can or can't have. They will take everything we love
James Brooks
Hopefully. The local Cigar shop near me is staffed with NuMale looking fags but I was suprised when I saw the guy behind the counter was wearing a Trump shirt and they had recently renamed one of their better shop made cigars The Donald.
Matthew Taylor
dude I work at a fucking hair salon. I just give a fuck because I dont want my favorite pipe blends off the market.
Wyatt Rodriguez
love this socializing meme. you realized that what you're advocating could be used for any kind of degeneracy, right? >what's wrong with chimping out? it's an enjoyable way to socialize >what's wrong with being an edgy weedteen? it's an enjoyable way to socialize >what's wrong with twerking? it's an enjoyable way to socialize
what you're describing is peer pressure. it's ironic that you accused that guy of being female/teenaged because that's exactly the kind of person most vulnerable to peer pressure. you most likely started smoking as a teen because you saw it as a "cool" or "mature" way to "socalize"
you keep on puffing that respiratory jew
Samuel Morris
If they were released after 2007 then yes.
Caleb Hernandez
Yeah I don't understand why they went after tobacco. If they just want us to be good little workers as long as possible, why not regulate food and alcohol just as much? There has to be something more here
Jaxon Green
And the counter argument could be used to ban anything the left doesn't approve of. Also you'd be wrong I was in my early/mid 20's and only smoke occasionally.
Grayson Rodriguez
Signed it as Dick Phister.
Liam Rivera
You don't smoke cigars or pipes to fuel your nicotine addiction. Also, absorption is far less efficient through the mouth than through the lungs.
James Gonzalez
The FDA is a pay to play crony regulatory system to control markets and eliminate completion for certain companies and make it difficult for individual entrepreneurs to brake into business. Regulatory agencies are pure cancer.
Daniel Gomez
RJ Reynolds has been lobbying very hard for the last few years to get something like this done. Their main target was the vape mods (the kind you 'mix' yourself, i.e. almost all vaping)
because they own the Vuze product which is in line for FDA approval. This is a major scam they have been perpetrating because they saw the writing on the wall and decided to spend millions trying to get in front of this and be one of the only vape products on the market.
Christopher Cook
Good. All things dangerous to the health of the white race should be purged. Inb4 muh freedoms
Nathaniel Ward
What pisses me off is the FDA does a shitty job with making sure medicines are safe before they hit the market and they're absolutely terrible at making sure that food is safe (there are contamination recalls very frequently these days) and enforcing rules against adulterants (read up of eggnog if you're curious about this), but they roll out the big fucking guns to go after the relatively small cigar market.
Tobacco regulation and taxation should be ATF's domain.
Brayden Clark
Yknow, I really hate when the government pulls shit like this. But I think for this one thing I'll actually let it slide. Fuck any form of vaping/smoking that is popular for people between the age of 15 and 25. It is such a cancerous culture that these morons defend. The future generations are going to be so fucked up, because rather than hang out and do something even moderately useful, all they're doing are sitting in circles, vaping, and talking about the most recent Drake album. It's so fucking sad. I could care less about degeneracy, it's the apathy that really gets to me. You've got one fucking life and you're just going to smoke? Absolutely disgusting.
Jackson Smith
>Tobacco regulation and taxation should be nobody's domain Ftfy
Ryan Rogers
This will finally make the "t" in ATF have a purpose
John Bailey
>Pipe tobacco and cigars.
FUCK
>Vape blends.
I'm ok with this. Shit causes cancer, and needs to be regulated.
Kayden Hill
Personally I wouldn't care if they made the smoking age 18 but killing the cigar and pipe market to get at vaping is complete bullshit to me. Especially considering it's been a part of American culture since before the country was founded. Reminds me a bit to much of a "cultural revolution".
Easton Cook
meant 21
Bentley Butler
exactly they dont benefit us at all and still take our tax money
Joshua Hall
The fact that its tobacco isn't the point. That's just a smoke screen for the real problems everyone here should have with any bill of this nature pertaining to anything.
>is smoking degenerate?
Goof title for a slide thread
Grayson Cooper
Allowing the govt to make important life decisions for you is a good thing? Taking away the concept of personal accountability while simultaneously creating yet another black market is a good thing? I sincerely hope you get broadsided by a bus tomorrow you useless faggot.
Gabriel Watson
Sure, recreational vaping is cancer, but vaping is one of the easiest ways to stop smoking. That's the reason R.J. Reynolds et. al are shitting their pants: there's a pretty viable way of cutting down nicotine dependency that doesn't require you buying their overpriced patches or gum. You can just buy a cheap $50 vape and get some juice from your local store.
Stop being edgy; stupid kids will always find retarded subcultures to latch onto. Vaping is actually helping a lot of people get off cigarettes, where are by any objective measure leagues more harmful than vaping. That's a several billion dollary industry going up in, uh, vapor.
Kevin Howard
>RJ Reynolds has been lobbying very hard for the last few years to get something like this done This. The same thing happened in 2009 with RYO tobacco. The government was shocked and scandalized to discover that people were rolling cigarettes for a buck or two per pack so they decided to raise the tax on rolling tobacco to the same rate factory rolled cigarettes are. Big tobacco won big because they no longer had to worry about a cheaper alternative stealing sales.
William Ramirez
just because le fedora vaper is a widespread epic redit maymay doesn't mean its the majority of people. I quit smoking 2 packs a day for a vape and never went back, lots and lots of people this has been a god send for.
If im not getting my fix with a vape its dip or back or cigs, its my only vice. Everyone has a vice, you're a fucking liar if you say you don't. Everyone likes to shit talk other peoples vices but justify their own, just because one might be arbitrarily better or worse.
Hunter Young
worrying about degeneracy is for mommas boy faggots. stay true to your race and other than that don't give af.
Ryan Gomez
Regular cigarette sales have fallen. This is their cure.
Luis Reyes
>I'm ok with this. Shit causes cancer, and needs to be regulated. nice fantasy world you're living in
Carter Taylor
>Can't have a stable blue collar job - they've all been exported to Asia and Mexico >Can't have a cozy little home with a picket fence - everything's a shitty rental now >Can't have a nice wife with traditional values - that's sexist >Can't have a couple of sweet, white children - that's racist >Can't get a nice classic pipe and smoke on your front porch - that's bad for you
JESUS CHRIST, JUST FUCKING KILL US ALREADY!
Juan Carter
>I live in California
Stopped reading there. McFucking kill yourself you leftist piece of shit.
Leo Reyes
You know whats going to happen when and if they do this?
Fucking nothing. Most cig stores will just go the speakeasy route. When they were threatening to ban vaping a year or two ago, most of the cig stores around here already had cards with passwords and secure locations for people to go to to get their juices printed out.
When they banned smoking in bars/restaurants here in michigan, a lot of bars just opened up their back rooms/vip lounges and offices up to smokers, speakeasy style. Saw the same in ohio as well. And quite a few of them just said fuck it to the law and allowed people to smoke anyways. So unless the ATF gets the funding to raid everywhere all the time, it isnt going to stop a fucking thing.
Ban super large drinks at fast food joints, FFJ just makes the next smallest size two for one.
Sin taxes have never and forever WILL never work.
Colton Smith
shit bugle RYO got me through some hard times when I was younger. Think of the poor african american kids! They can't afford 7$ a pack newports!
Samuel Rivera
>OY VEY MUH SHEKELS GOYIM.
>GOYIM STOP THEM FROM BANNING MY GOYIM CONTROL DEVICES NOW.
Austin Robinson
>government bans 30 round magazines
>REEEEEEEEE SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED,etc,etc
>government taxes the fuck out of anything you enjoy >good lol degenerates only smoke tobacco anyways xD
This board has turned to complete fucking shit since 2012.
Bentley Ramirez
I'm 24 and I remember when you could smoke inside of burger king
Jack Gonzalez
invest in food flavoring
Jaxson Adams
Cancer is bad for you my man.
That said you should have the freedom to get cancer.
>banning addictive products just creates a criminal black market
You can literally grow tobacco in a potted plant in your apartment. A couple of plants and you yield enough for a fat cigar or lots of cigs.
John Perez
My local bowling ally turned into a "private club" to allow smoking indoors. When you go there you sign a card with your name and presto! welcome to the private bowling ally. kek
Lincoln Rodriguez
>only smoke 2-5 times a week
You "only" smoke every other day?
You're also not an alcoholic because you don't drink on tuesdays and thursdays, right?
John Hall
Yeah, I was smoking and even drinking inside dennys as late as 2009, again here in michigan. I would pour liquor into the coke they brought me and be visibly drunk, but since I was just chilling and not making a scene, no one gave a shit. Hell, id give nips to the waitresses when no one was looking. Only time they ever had an issue was when I lit up a black and mild once, they said the smell was too strong. I put it out because they were cool and respectful about it, and thats understandable as cigar tobacco is quite a bit stronger usually.
Kevin Davis
Feds can eat a dick
Caleb Cruz
>wont be approving and flavored fruit or candy blends whatsoever so we can say bye to aromatic pipe tobacco and practically all the popular vape blends
they are only doing this because the "flavoring" you retards have been using has been found to be highly cancerous & causes brain damage
Grayson Lee
>You're also not an alcoholic because you don't drink on tuesdays and thursdays, right? As if you eurofags don't drink wine with every meal
Liam Robinson
prove it
David Gray
Looks like i need to stock up on empty cigar boxes and tobacco tins. They're incredibly useful.
Lincoln Garcia
m'lady *takes hit from fedora9000 cuck blend*
Kevin Martin
who cares? gonna die from some shitty gm induced cancer anyways. they'd be better off regulating corn and getting a limp lib boner over that shit.
Nolan Diaz
Wow we really are the land of the free. Feels good to be in a country that lets me decide whether or not I want to tamper with my own consciousness. Thanks, obama!
Gabriel Howard
goddamn obama. worse than bush. no question.
Levi Gomez
They still sell shit tier stuff like bugle under the guise of it being pipe tobacco. Big 1 lb bags of the shit for $15. That's about 450 smokes worth. But the good stuff like Bali Shag and Drum had their prices shoot up.
David Morgan
CHECK YOUR FACTS. That's mediterranean types. Frogs and degos.
Geez you americans sure are stupid.
Brayden Campbell
fuck off and ride some islam dick sven
Grayson Price
From the most cuck country on the planet. Go feed you're wifes brown baby.
Bentley Walker
>flavoring" you retards have been using has been found to be highly cancerous & causes brain damage Ya store bought food flavouring kill thousands every year. You cigarette/fda shills are pathetic.
Adrian Martin
DUDE TOBACCO LMAO
Oh how the mighty have fallen.
Connor Harris
Excellent rebuttal faggot
Jonathan Rivera
>insult a candadian jokingly >actual americans take offense
HAHA OH WOW
Memes are real.
Gavin Cook
>implying scandinavians wouldn't be drunker than a bunch of injuns if you didn't have state monopolies employing bans, high prices, rationing, and sometimes even forcing booze to taste shitty (brennivin)