So is meth just a really strong adderall? My adderall addiction is draining my money...

So is meth just a really strong adderall? My adderall addiction is draining my money, I did some quick calculations based on strength for medium doses equivalency, and even without adding the duration factor, meth still comes cheaper. Tell me why this is a bad idea.

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Is teeth retention a big factor for you?

>is meth just a really strong adderall?
no. think before you type

I'm not changing ROIs, teeth fall off if you smoke it. I'm either eating it 90% of the time or snorting it 10% just like adderall.

Is there not even a little voice in the back of your mind whispering to you "hey, man, maybe we shouldn't smoke meth"?

rephrased: "Hey, man, maybe everyone is right and meth is a bad choice"

Are you that person who was freaking out earlier and had a loli as the OP picture?

Every drug can be taken responsibly.

No. I'm not a beta male fapping to drawn kids.

The problem:

Adderall: Pharmacudical grade
Meth: who the fuck knows. Also don't snort it. It'll eat your nose up quick as fuck. Most street meth has draino remnants among other shit.

Dude just be smart about it. Meth has a stigma attached to it for a reason

I've done both. I hate meth but love Adderall. The high is a lot different. Meth is more balls to wall and feels like someone is stomping on the gas pedal in my head

I still have a bottle of Adderall from an old prescription from like 4 or 5 years ago, it should still be mostly effective, right?

Absolutely

So does every drug. That doesn't mean the reasons are good, or that any non- cross-cultural stigmas are justifiable. You seem really uneducated.

Are you fucking stupid?

Price wise it's a lot better.
I never was into it but knew a few people who were and they'd get good shit for about 20 a g and 60 for an 8 ball.

Adderall is a salt. People used to put salts on food so they don't go bad. Can you conclude?

Extra clue; Does your baking salt expire?

What, exactly, did I say that is false?

Also agree with other posters. Snorting that shit is gnarly it's not nearly as fine as adderal or cocain.

You came on an online anonymous forum looking for advice about whether you should take meth or not... Sounds pretty fuckin beta, also sounds like you learn some critical thinking skills.

Not that poster but its real easy to spot a tweaker if you dont tweak. Meth use is kind of obvious and gives people red flags about you.
Also
>adderall draining money
>should i do meth
Sure, if youre suicidal.

>Adderall is a salt.
It's a mixture of four amphetamine salts, to be exact.

Retard

>Not that poster but its real easy to spot a tweaker if you dont tweak.
Not all users of meth are "tweakers." And it's pretty stupid to think tweakers are less adept at spotting their own kind than non-users. Where do you people come up with this crap?

I just googled it and it basically said that while it sorta might degrade very slowly, it should be fine years after the expiry date.

But comparing it to table salt is a very silly and crude example.

I think you'll find that you're a fuckin retard

You have 2 different types of drugs, tweakers and hallucinogens, if you prefer tweaker drugs like adderall, crack, coke, and meth you're a tweaker. Stop talking about things you know nothing about and then insulting people who are on your advice shit post.

Actually it doesn't go bad for the exact same chemical reason. In layman terms; Stuff you put into your system, be it food or drugs, go bad because of microorganisms. Salts don't leave enough moisture for the microorganisms to survive.

>amphetamine=/=methamphetamine

samefag OP

Sounds like he hit a nerve

Because opioids aren't a thing.
Don't talk about things you know nothing about.

Look pal im sure its easy to recognize fellow cretin degenerates, the point i was making with that is you might as well tattoo meth head on your face

Don't fuck with meth. I've seen plenty of people go from functioning to full blown junkie-tier in a matter of months.

OP dont come asking for advice and shit on everyone with it

My mistake.

fair enough. thanks for explaining.

>You have 2 different types of drugs, tweakers and hallucinogens
Holy shit, this is stupid as fuck. First, "tweakers" are a type of drug USER, not a drug. Second, there are many, many more drugs beyond stimulants and psychedelics.

>if you prefer tweaker drugs like adderall, crack, coke, and meth you're a tweaker
Not all stimulant users carry themselves like the average "tweaker." Many drug users do not look like "druggies" at all. You seem really ignorant.

>eating
>snorting
You're wasting your meth if you don't inject it.

Are you retarded?

I'm not even the guy that went on a tantrum. I do agree with him but calling people stuff in an anonymous conversation is retarded.

People who make ironic statements insulting others while they look the most stupid always get on my nerves, in my opinion they should stop breeding. Under 100-IQ human subspecies.

Different user. You obviously don't know much about drugs. Also op, reason why meth is cheaper is cause its impure while adderall is either pure or cut with a nonharmful substance, something you can't get with meth.

Opiods are considered hallucinogens you actual shit head. Go scoop poop out of your head.

Do you even know what a degenerate is? It is a morally reprehensible person. If anyone is a degenerate here, it's you, because you believe stigmatizing drug users is acceptable, when it's ethically unjustifiable.

Also, I never claimed to do meth. I'm just saying not all meth users look like what you've stereotyped to be "tweakers." Many drug users are covert about their use. You are a pretty ignorant person, are you not?

bro meth is bad how can you be this stupid.
just work through the week, SOBER, and have a few beers and a little sniff of coke on a weekend.
dont fuck your life with meth you fucking retard lol

>So is meth just a really strong adderall?

dunno...is heroin just strong codeine?

Changing ROIs is the first step in pic related.

Opiates are what?

>Opiods are considered hallucinogens
Well, no, they're not. They're depressant analgesics. They do not cause hallucinations.

Where did you read that they're hallucinogens? I can't believe someone can be this stupid.

He's a bad troll don't reply. No ones that stupid then adds poop scoop to the end of their statement.

Youre wasting your veins if you're not injecting adderall+heroin

>not all stimulant users carry themselves like the average druggie
I guarantee you meth junkie fucks stick out like sore thumbs. Maybe if you stim once a month it doesnt do anything, but consistent stimulant use destroys your life and leaves nobody willing to trust you

Would agree but in a few years you really end up wasting your veins.

Haven't visited Sup Forums in over 3 years, every other single thread I saw over the last 3 days I'm here again was shit. This thread reminds me of the golden age of Sup Forums :)

Google Paul Erdos.

>Maybe if you stim once a month it doesnt do anything
Have you actually done a study on this, or are you maybe assuming a little too much?

Then you don't know anyone who really does drugs. Sure the average tweaker or junkie are complete idiots who let their addictions control their life's but I know several who have perfectly normal life's with a house and good job who've used for 6+ years.

i missed you like i miss the sun

What's that like?

>many drug users are covert
Yeah, dont delude yourself that meth wont change how you talk and act, let alone "look"

dude
my brain and body are destroyed
stopped FOUR YEARS AGO
no drugs or alcohol for FOUR YEARS
and i can barely walk or speak in a complete sentence

Your teeth still fall out if you inject it. You lose your teeth from your mouth being constantly dry.

Chemically, it is nearly the same.
Biochemically, it does the EXACT same thing on your body and is processed through the same receptors and metabolic pathways.
Legally, both are classified in the EXACT same class of drugs.
Pragmatically, the government was paid sufficient money from Teva, who (somehow) got a patent because of a minor change which affects nothing to get through the FDA and allow those with a narc license to prescribe it as a Schedule II controlled substance.

FYI, it's been proven from hard data (seizures) that 30% of Adderall prescriptions are sold on the street illegally, and that number is estimated to be much more likely around 80%.

tl;dr
It is the same thing, just cheaper.

lmao you think someone with an amphetamine addiction can function for a week sober???

Lack of dental hygiene is the main cause actually.

>FYI, it's been proven from hard data (seizures) that 30% of Adderall prescriptions are sold on the street illegal
How would the incidence of seizures "prove" how frequently Adderall is illegally sold??

so even when i'm laying down, say the doorbell rings, my heart (among everything else) goes into overdrive i can't even SIT UP
stop abusing stimulants not being dead and "living" like this is worse than ODing

been to all sorts of specialists by the way, medical doctors, psychologists, naturalists they can't even find anything wrong with me lol

tl;dr - stick to adderall.

Real shit simplified:
Adderall (D/L-amphetamine salts) and Methamphetamine(likely also the D/L isomers, unless your source is a badass, but freebase) are extremely close structurally (another methyl (think single carbon and 3 hydrogens) attached to the amine nitrogen). Don't let this fool you, this is the reason Methamphetamine is so much more powerful. It is able to pass the Blood Brain Barrier (BBB) significantly better than it's non-methylated counterpart. You can try to take 2-5mg orally if you'd like competing effects like those of Adderall, but you need to know how pure your shit is, purify your shit, or trust me and stick to Adderall because I have a small feeling your tolerance will raise exponentially with the more you take. Note that the threshold level to feel it's medical effects is 5mg.

Also, if you don't want to smoke but administer orally, you need to obtain the salt version, be that the hydrochloride salt, sulfate salt, or others (fumarate, etc..). I don't suspect many meth dealers bother making the salt forms, so that part may be on you. If you eat the freebase, you will likely just degrade most of the compound so much that only a minimal amount will turn into the salt form and be activative.

Source: medicinal chemist

Bruxism, or teeth clenching/grinding, is actually the principle cause.

which substance are you talking about now?

This is mostly true.

Also street methamphetamines are likely not fully purified and solvents are surely present. I don't know for sure, but smoking toluene and most other dry solvents will likely rape the enamel on your death.

>Also, if you don't want to smoke but administer orally, you need to obtain the salt version, be that the hydrochloride salt, sulfate salt, or others (fumarate, etc..). I don't suspect many meth dealers bother making the salt forms, so that part may be on you. If you eat the freebase, you will likely just degrade most of the compound so much that only a minimal amount will turn into the salt form and be activative.
This is a whole bunch of nonsense. No street meth is "freebase." Street meth is all methamphetamine HCL. None of it is converted to a basic form, because it HAS no basic form.

Medicinal chemist? I think you mean biochemist. You are so full of shit.

No. Not at all. Do not do meth. DO NOT EQUATE THE TWO.

>No street meth is "freebase." Street meth is all methamphetamine HCL. None of it is converted to a basic form, because it HAS no basic form.

3/10

Can adderall help you with cocaine withdrawals??

modafinil sure can.. I assume adderall does the trick too...

I'm guessing you have a reliable source showing methamphetamine can be converted to a base? I'm not holding my breath.

Of any meth user i have met or encountered I have yet to find a "casual" user.
Also, OP is draining their wallet and life in only adderall, im fairly confident they would burn their life away like most junkies.

Do not do meth. I not talking about the stigma. If you think the cost of adderall is hurting you, meth will be worse. Because eventually you will just be doing EVEN MORE for the same cost and that is terrible because 1) you already are using and have no need to increase, and 2) meth is waaay different than adderall. If you think meth can fill the role of adderall, you are very wrong.

I am not saying this to argue, but to save you from going that path.

Do not do meth.

Yes, you don't think about cocaine at all once you get addicted to prescription-strength meth.

>Of any meth user i have met or encountered I have yet to find a "casual" user.
That is precisely my point. You wouldn't know whether covert drug users use drugs. All you notice are those that make their use obvious. Then, erroneously, you take this to mean drugs necessarily cause people to seem that way.

>meth is waaay different than adderall. If you think meth can fill the role of adderall, you are very wrong.
Well, no it's not. Care to explain how they're wildly different? This should be... interesting.


>I am not saying this to argue, but to save you from going that path.
>Do not do meth.
So, your argument is based on a mere appeal to emotion?

You quote some false info.

Yes. It's called basic chemistry and amines have been studied since before you were born, son.

>It's called basic chemistry
So, you don't have a source, then? I'm glad I didn't hold my breath.

lrn2google - I'm not going to sit here and explain the difference between conjugate acids and bases.

>That is precisely my point. You wouldn't know whether covert drug users use drugs. All you notice are those that make their use obvious. Then, erroneously, you take this to mean drugs necessarily cause people to seem that way.
Which is more likely, that meth users are obvious to nearly everyone or there is a hidden demographic of closeted meth users noone knows about because meth addiction is just overblown

You're either a troll or a naive idiot whose small amount of intelligence will grant you the arrogance necessary to destroy your life

Meth has a much longer half life and you will never find perscription quality meth. You will obviously deteriorate through meth use, it will catch up no matter how much you try. You can't counteract having battery acid in your bodily fluids by brushing twice daily.

Have fun

>If you eat the freebase

Degrees are cool alright, but you won't learn that YOU NEVER EAT THE FREEBASE there. That's street knowledge.

>Tell me why this is a bad idea.

You have no idea what shit is actually in your meth.

All we're asking for is a reliable source to support your claim. The burden is on you to provide it. I'm not sure why you're deflecting, or why this seems so complicated to you.

This. actually. is a contributing factor but are spot on.

I have 3 of them and I'm cutting coke for good. Just wondering if I could spread the 3 out incase I have withdrawals. Wondering if it helps at all.

Whatever you do OP you'll still end up fucked in the head and with a terrible health in a few years.

>Which is more likely, that meth users are obvious to nearly everyone or there is a hidden demographic of closeted meth users noone knows about because meth addiction is just overblown
The latter is more likely, obviously. The former is just based off of bigoted stereotypes.

>You can't counteract having battery acid in your bodily fluids by brushing twice daily.
Again, bruxism is the principle cause of dental deterioration. You seem really uneducated.

battery acid what?

ive know people who has used that shit for years people well into there 60s and you couldn't pick them out of a crowd...they don't all look like the posters you see in the health department

Literally learn to google
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_base
>Free base (freebase, free-base) refers to the conjugate base (deprotonated) form of an amine, as opposed to its conjugate acid (protonated) form.

If you dose it medically yes, if you snort or smoke it youll just be getting high. If its to get high id advise against, it way

>they don't all look like the posters you see in the health department
I bet he thinks drugs make holes in your brain too, lol. I can't believe people actually buy into state propaganda. What tools.

you do realize meth is made with battery acid right

OP, there is quite a difference in half life from methamphetamine compared to amphetamine(Adderall, Vyvanse et all.) Dose in 1/10th's of a gram, not lines and bowls. Also, focus will not be the same as Adderall nor will the euphoria and come down. Stay extra hydrated and be sure to eat every 4 hours to prevent atrophy and malnutrition. Try to sleep every night and treat it like a pharmaceutical. I used to switch back and forth but meth is the cheaper option. Avoid ice and get red phosphorus or anhydrous amonia based meth if possible. Also, learn to recognize cutting agents and only buy from people you know. If you are half way smart, learn how to shake and bake your own if you aren't competent enough to create a reduction reaction yourself. Godspeed, user you glorious bastard.

Do you not remember your claim? You said methamphetamine can exist in basic form. Do you have a reliable source that directly supports this? If so, please provide the link and QUOTE THE RELEVANT SECTIONS. Thanks.