Mfw wageslaves still see themselves as temporarily embarrassed millionaires rather than an exploited proletariat

>mfw wageslaves still see themselves as temporarily embarrassed millionaires rather than an exploited proletariat

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Mfw Marxists still believe a political-economic system can function without incentivizing production

Amerikeks only understand laissez-faire capitalism and totalitarian communism. No in-between. Deep down I'm sure they understand that without regulation, capitalism is hell, but they get triggered pretty easily when discussing it. They need more Teddy in their lives.

With regulation capitalism is hell
Cuck
What other socialism is there besides the one that infringes on my natural rights

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>mfw captialists think everyone should work solely on greed and encourage this base behaviour

Hey maybe you should visit Venezuela these days you might like it.

Tell your pm to start dropping people if he doesn't like what they say

This post clearly shows how marxism is an ideology based on self deprecation and whining rather than a continuous push to self improvement

NOT

The funny thing about marxists is that they spend 95% of the time sneering at other people and bombarding them with jargon from the works of their pet theorist

Then when you get down to what they actually believe it is so mind numbingly, ball crushingly retarded that you simply cant understand how anyone with a functioning brain could possibly believe it

They are basically just religious fanatics by a different name

this desu

fuck off, kid.

Mfw when blades of grass live solely off greed as is the nature of any individuals existence

Faggit cuck bitch

A pity Lee Kuan Yew isn't around to purge your commie ass

>people still don't realize that Marx predicted all kinds of thinks, like financial crisis 2007
>people still don't realize that Marxism is the way to go

Are you ok bro

Things seem pretty fucked up in Venezuela atm, hope you are not dying or anything

literally no one I've ever met thinks this

this whole
>americans only put up with the rich because they think they'll be one someday
is a total myth

no one thinks that, by and large this country is pretty disenfranchised with the american dream and puts up with the upper class mostly through apathy and a 'it could be much worse' mindset

Tick tock, wagie.

I'm living in a quite nice house I'm renting in a Welsh suburb with my girlfriend who isn't even working and just cleans and cooks. Paying for all that plus bills and necessities for me and her with only a couple of years experience in my field and a degree I haven't payed for yet.

If this is a system is exploiting me then I say so be it.

>without regulation, capitalism is hell
i agree.

>With regulation capitalism is hell
hell no.
some bare minimum regulation is necessary for capitalists to not run amok and turn their personal companies into commie arenas for who kills how many in how less a time.

a perfect balance between capitalism and socialism is necessary, all the while making sure the entire nation benefits from it.

>Democratic Nationalist Socialism in a republic of the people, for the people, by the people.
>far fetched dreams
who am i kidding, people are selfish and they literally have been killing each other for a loaf of bread.

>We can't tax the wealthy! I-if I just keep working 80 hours a week and play by the rules I'll be a job creator too someday!
>Socialism never works! Trickle down economics, now that's a strategy for proven success!
>Why raise the minimum wage or cut taxes for the poor and the middle class? Giving more money to people who go out and spend their money makes no sense! That money is much better off in mr. Schlomoberg's off-shore bank account!

>NEETs defending marxism
top lel. The dregs of society tend to associate themselves with failed ideologies

>I predict at some point there will be a recession.
Woooooow, he is so smart.

>tax the rich to pay for higher minimum wage and low income tax breaks
>rich leave
>no tax
>debt

Now China owns your nation, gg

Who are you kidding?
You're a fucking idiot
Name one action that is selfless
Even when you let Jerome pound your girl in the ass your being selfish

>captialism is natural
Lel
Relax comrade, I'm just shitposting.

>lel
>argument

>temporarily embarrassed millionaires
>hi, i'm cuck and i'm embarrassed that i workd hard and smart to earn so much money i don't what to do with it.

>exploited proletariat
>they asked me to work 8 hours a day for a standard industry-average wage
>how the fucking dare they?
>gibsmedat

>Who are you kidding?
>Name one action that is selfless
read again, i literally accept in the last line that no one is selfless, never has been, and never will be.
people are selfish, that is why we see the invisible hand of capitalism taking us to the moon and mars.

of course, it doesn't mean we can't have our democratically elected [as it may seem to the normie masses] to regulate the industries up to some extent.
>the national industrial code of conduct demands you pay your workers 15$ an hour, Mr. Capitalist, or we cancel your license to operate. what'll it be, then?

>i dont have a job and im also a marxist
Classic

That blind bulgarian woman predicted 9/11, should we make her president of earth?

Lol what a load of bs. As if the bourgeois will start handing out shares of their company.

>Mfw despite all the 106 Million people that have been killed as a result of Communism neo-edgelords and lefty cucks will STILL try and defend literally the shittiest idea of an economic system ever created in the history of mankind.

Dude stay save the storys coming out are pretty intense. People hunting dogs and birds because of food shortage literally germany ww1 style O_O If you need money or food is there actually a way to send it so that the average person gets it?

How about you buy those shares with the money you earned with your hard work, instead of being a lazy fuck and just complaining about being poor?

>Natural rights

There's a meme that needs to die.

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It's not about being a millionaire. It's about being free.

Thank god I'm not some interchangeable cog that "enlightened planners" can choose to use as they wish. I'm entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and there's nothing you can do about it you marxist piece of nigger shit.

Actually, of between capitalism and communism, only one belief requires that people be inherently altruistic,. Capitalism has no such requirement.

>trying to make economic/business arguments when all you've done is an ECOP subject and have no real world experience or success.

Pic related.

So the alternative to being a 'wage slave' is what? Living completely off the grid in the middle of nowhere and having no amendaties.

Kek

Marx didn't realize that a worker can start his own business and compete like a bourger at any time.

The real problem with Marxism is that most people are passive, easily contented drooling imbeciles that no amount of money or ideology will cure.

>see themselves as temporarily embarrassed millionaires rather than an exploited proletariat

someone who believes he can be something and works hard for it

vs

someone who constantly feels cheated and entitled to success he didn't earn

That is why we cut them down.
Such parasitic individuals should not be allowed to enjoy the breeze.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine

behold the great utopia that Marx imagined when casting down the bourgeoisie who just manage and exploit all your food supplies, why couldn't they see the simplicity and mass booming efficiency of incentiveless production

Natural rights are "nonsense on stilts".

Most capitalists aren't anarchists. They understand that government is a necessary evil to ensure that monopolies don't emerge and to ensure that people are treated equally under the law, as well as to protect against would-be invaders with a military self-defense force specifically trained in areas that civilians would have trouble training with (sea combat and air combat, for example).

In order to make an argument for socialism or communism, you need to ask yourself what the legitimate role of government is.

Being from the US, I have wonderful blueprints. The Declaration of Independence is why, and the Constitution is how. So, if you subscribe to Constitutionalism, you would say that you believe that individuals, when left alone and given the freedom to make their own decisions, tend to do so more effectively than government bureaucrats in Washington, and therefore, it is morally imperative for the government to protect and guarantee people's said freedom and liberty as laid out in the United States Constitution.

Notice how I didn't promise you any free shit.

>poor people shouldn't have a say about what I spend their money on

what a "great leap forward" :X

>Marx didn't realize that a worker can start his own business and compete like a bourger at any time.
Depending on what he'd be trying to do, it usually requires capital. Workers often don't have real economic freedom, so they work for subsistance-level wages and can't build up capital. And they cannot compete productivity-wise with those that have capital.

>worker can start his own business and compete like a bourger at any time.
This. People can start worker co-ops right now without any hassle. Where are all the worker-owned factories and shops? Surely those exploited masses would jump on the opportunity to cast off the chains of their capitalist oppressors!

The only people who cry about muh exploitation muh wage slavery are those who don't actually work for a living. The real proletariat are doing just fine, it's just the communist """intellectuals""" who are buttblasted about things

>a worker can start his own business and compete like a bourger at any time.
only in capitalism.

>The real problem with Marxism is that most people are passive, easily contented drooling imbeciles that no amount of money or ideology will cure.
agreed

>requires capital.
>mom-and-pop stores.
>start-ups
>the next big app
people can when they will.

Poor people should be cleansed.

I cannot fucking wait for robots to eliminate the need for 90% of the working class.

While I slave away at my $10/hr job Chad ThunderCaptial is earning $6,000,000/hr from dividends, interest and captial gains. And what's this? Chad is using his money to buy all the stocks, raising their prices to their book value! I can either gain minimal returns on high risk or continue slaving for Chad.

What about the poor robots? Will you cleanse them too, comrade.

No you can't.
You need captial to start a business. Unless you're starting in a business with extremely low captial requirements.

>government is a necessary evil to ensure that monopolies don't emerge
Many people think this, and those people would be wrong. Monopolies in any meaningful sense are only possible through government interference in the economy. It is precisely through regulation that they form and are able to remain stable. Same with cartels.

Evil is evil, there is never anything necessary about it.

Or you can get a better job.

But you'd rather whine on a malaysian moving images online support group.

I always love it rich people act like their the victims and the poor are actually evil.
You queers always show your true colors eventually.

Every single day I pray for some technological innovation that brings mankind closer to an Elysium style of living.

If you're not worth at least half a million in the bank by age 30 I don't want to talk to you, I don't want to see you on the streets, I don't want my children hanging around your failure of a family.

There is simply no excuse for being poor in this day and age.

>I cannot fucking wait for robots to eliminate the need for 90% of the working class.
Same. And I say this as a member of the working class. Only through automation will we get to post-scarcity, and thankfully that process is inevitable. The sooner we get there, the better everyone will be.

>the poor are actually evil

poor people are evil

many of them remain poor because they don't appreciate the things they are given

if you are perpetually poor there's either a problem with your own motivation or you are somehow physically or otherwise disabled to a degree that you can't function normally in society

every other excuse comes down to personal choices and weakness

Except for the Oil Monopoly that cropped up in the past, right? One guy selling his gas at a great loss until all the other gas stations went out of business, then jacking them sky high. Government had nothing to do with that monopoly, as they were practicing laissez faire capitalism at the time..

Monopolies can form naturally. As for your, "evil is evil" argument, that's true. The roll of a very small government is to ensure that no great evil gets to harm their citizens without the citizens' explicit permission. Dumping waste into the river and letting it flow downstream is one such example.

This is why minarchy is the logical conclusion, not anarchy.

>le edgy alt right slogan

This is why no one takes you fucking losers seriously. Unless you're in the top 1% of the elite, you're going to be "cleansed" too.
Most of you fucks have nothing. You're either shitposting neets or retarded high schoolers they're going to be a millionaire as soon as they get out of college.

There were famines in China before Mao.

>monopolies only exist from government interference
By providing the captialist framework for such monopolies to form, than using the police to maintain the status quo.

I guess I could save $50,000 over ten years to go take night classes. Then after another five years of working 7am-7pm, then classes from 7pm-11am and working weekends to pay for my classes, I could get a degree and up my salary to $20/hr. But what's this? Chad's net worth has grown exponentially at an average rate of 20% a year! And he is now considered an experienced CEO, earning 60,000,000/hr! He buys even more stocks! My net worth hasn't changed since I spent every penny on night classes, and while Chad was lounging on his yatch the whole time his net worth has grown by 1,500%!

>are
you are confusing evil with stupid.
also, if you do not realize that poor people are a necessity for the rich to remain rich, then you must stop talking right now.

>monarchy
or even fascism [if the dictator is actually smart and loves his people]
someone does come to my mind...

Government and civil society are two sides of the same coin. One cannot exist without the other.

>mfw people post a picture of this exploitative faggot which bad writings I got shoved down my throat in my Soviet childhood
Kill yourself

>Having less than 500,00 in the bank is poor.
I find it hard to believe someone so stupid could actually be rich.

Very true. They also act like the elimination of labor isn't going to be a good thing, not because you're not going to have to work, but because everything will be so cheap that you won't have to work very much.

>the strawman is real

>Oil Monopoly that cropped up in the past, right?
Are you referring to Standard Oil, which had a shitload of competition in its time and never once engaged in the mythical predatory pricing bogeyman statists cry about?

mises.org/library/100-years-myths-about-standard-oil

>practicing laissez faire capitalism at the time
Hahaha.

Stop being afraid of the scary a-word. You think ancaps were born into the philosophy? Almost every one of us was a libertarian minarchist making exactly the same arguments you are now.

>Monopolies in any meaningful sense are only possible through government interference in the economy.

There is only one shortest route between any to points. If you own the shortest route, you have a monopoly on the shortest route.

Monopolies are "naturally" occuring phenomena.

The Fourth International and Basic Income is the way forward for humanity

I don't believe that I argued anything different.

Rub your eyes pajeet. I never said the word Monarchy.

Yeah? How are those countries without governments going?

Spoken like a true plebeian.

$500k in reserve is fuck all.

>I don't believe that I argued anything different.

You didn't.

>meaningful sense
Key word here. I "own" (not really, thanks to eminent domain, but let's imagine for the same of argument) the specific plot of land that I live on. By your reasoning, I am a monopolist. As is everyone who owns anything, since your definition of monopoly applies to any instance of property ownership, be it land or objects. Ask yourself, is this what people commonly refer to when they talk about the "risk" of monopolization in free market capitalism?

I think I like the stormfags better than the lolberterians.

>also, if you do not realize that poor people are a necessity for the rich to remain rich, then you must stop talking right now.

if the bottom rises, so do the rest above them

but there will ALWAYS be poor people relatively, and they aren't a necessity, just a fact of life

>you're going to be "cleansed" too

see above, classes have to exist for there to be an upper/elite class

>Most of you fucks have nothing

it's always a process of ending with more than you started with, you don't need to get rich to defend the rich

being rich is just the ultimate goal that everyone should work toward in order to collectively (fun word, right?) uplift society over time

there will be lower and upper classes, but they will live better than the lower and upper classes that came before them

or, you know, we can just stagnate in an effort to suck the dick of equality until we're an amorphous blob of serfs and peasants waiting for our weekly potato rations

Alright, then cheers, Brit. Hope you get the Brexit. From what I can see on this side of the pond, fear mongering is in full force.

>I guess I could save $50,000 over ten years to go take night classes. Then after another five years of working 7am-7pm, then classes from 7pm-11am and working weekends to pay for my classes, I could get a degree and up my salary to $20/hr. But what's this? Chad's net worth has grown exponentially at an average rate of 20% a year! And he is now considered an experienced CEO, earning 60,000,000/hr! He buys even more stocks! My net worth hasn't changed since I spent every penny on night classes, and while Chad was lounging on his yatch the whole time his net worth has grown by 1,500%!
Indeed, life is unfair, boo fucking hoo.

Better complain than change yourself, right? It's not that I'm a disgusting fat fuck, it's other people who are (undeservedly) thin!

Also if your concept of happiness is how many gadgets you own, protip : you will never, ever be happy.

>never said the word Monarchy.
sorry, you said
>"minarchy" is the logical conclusion

>poor people shouldn't have a say in what I spend my money on
Fixed that for you.

And how did you come to have that much. Did you earn that entirety yourself?

Minarchy is a real thing pajeet

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minarchism

>I stole this money fair and square it's MINE!

well, color me uneducated.

fucking fags and their fancy new words.

You mean captialism is unfair, but we should totally keep it right? It's totally not capitalism's fault 1% owe 40% of the wealth. Those people worked so hard that what they did was worth a million other people's salaries!

>I earned this money fair and square its mine
Why do I keep having to fix your statements?

Capitalism is in a permanent state of crisis. Market economies are constantly collapsing, I've lost count of the number of markets economies that needed rescuing or rebooting.

Even the "greatest" capitalist economy on the face of the planet has $20 TRILLION+ of debt sloshing around... and this economy is considered a "success"...

HAhahahaha

There are constant shortages in Capitalist economies too. Same as old school command economies of the Soviet Empire. The difference is: the shortages are reflected in prices, not the absence of goods and products.

Most Capitalistfags are too stupid to understand this.

>countries
>without governments
M8, a "country" is defined by a piece of land with a government. A land without a government on it is not a country by definition. Is Antarctica a country?

See if you can track down a copy of pic related. It's widely held to be the best intro to anarchism for regular, non-academic folks, and it's written in a way that doesn't make you want to shoot yourself (as opposed to many philosophical works). Read it, and point out the flaws to yourself. It shouldn't be difficult, if the case for minarchism is so clear.

>You mean captialism is unfair, but we should totally keep it right?
Yes, we should keep it because it's the only system compatible with freedom.

I would much rather be poor in a free country than rich in an unfree country. This sentiment is shared by many : look at the thousands of engineers who fled the USSR to become taxi drivers.

>Those people worked so hard that what they did was worth a million other people's salaries!
Somewhere down the line someone worked hard for the money. It might not have been Chad, but it could've been Chad's dad or granddad.

as a blood-red commie, everything he doesn't have was simply stolen from him by demons and criminals

Couldn't agree more. Hell, in the states, 2 people working minimum wage can live VERY comfortable lives in the midwest. Not luxurious, but comfortable nonetheless.

When the left-leaning Brookings Institute says that following 3 rules gives you a 98% shot of getting out of poverty, and a 75% shot of getting into the middle class, and the libertarian-leaning CATO Institute agrees, you had best listen.

brookings.edu/research/opinions/2013/03/13-join-middle-class-haskins
>Let politicians, schoolteachers and administrators, community leaders, ministers and parents drill into children the message that in a free society, they enter adulthood with three major responsibilities: at least finish high school, get a full-time job and wait until age 21 to get married and have children.

cato.org/publications/commentary/more-welfare-more-poverty
>Observers have known for a long time that the surest ways to stay out of poverty are to finish school; not get pregnant outside marriage; and get a job, any job, and stick with it.

First employee and CTO in company that got purchased by one of the big miners around the time of the boom.

Put most of that money into residential and commercial property, the rest went into equity but property has been the real boon.

27 no kids, no wife.

> I own the specific plot of land that I live on. By your reasoning, I am a monopolist.

Nope.

It's only a monopoly on a resource if your "plot of land" is a unique resource. The shortest route between two points is, by definition, unique.

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