Though I have heard Stravinsky, Schoenberg, Brahms and others before, it is only now that I have become curious about why their music is so different.
What I understand now is that while classical musicians such as Bach made music that was pleasant to the ears, Stravinsky and others made music to invoke specific feelings and even memories, focusing more on them than pleasantness or patterns.
But I want to learn more. Could someone point me somewhere to start?
Logan Gray
I prefet viderunt omnes
Bentley Russell
I don't even see what those three should have in common
Ryan Murphy
I prefer sederunt principes
Andrew Russell
That's a good one. Was just listening to that one (performed by the Hilliard Ensemble) too actually.
Ryan Richardson
Why do so many tracks in old white people music have titles like "Sonata Part IV in C# major, Geschemt Symphony 59" or whatever. Easier to remember normal titles Rites of Spring or Ride of the Vaklyries desu.
Ryder Brooks
>Stravinsky and others made music to invoke specific feelings and even memories, focusing more on them than pleasantness or patterns. that's because they they lived in a post-romantic era you should learn more about romanticism, wagnerianism, and pre-romantic musical world to understand how perception of classical music changed over the centuries
Levi Morris
Dodecaphony, Atonality, and the fact that they are all different from classical composers like Bach, Mozart and Vivaldi
Jaxson Gomez
>Though I have heard Stravinsky, Schoenberg, Brahms and others before, it is only now that I have become curious about why their music is so different. They were completely different eras and styles. You shouldn't expect them to have anything in common.
Cameron Phillips
Because those names come from ballets and operas (which focus on the action on stage) and sonata forms are named differently.
Carter Thompson
Brahms is often not even modal, nevermind "atonal". If anything he was the champion of diatonicism in a world of Mahlers, Bruckners and Debussys
Tyler Jackson
>There are currently approximately twenty intact tangent pianos in existence.
n-nani?!
Aiden Reyes
because it's absolute music, that means the music is supposed to speak for itself without any non-musical references
Daily reminder that Mozart is permanently underrated.
David Jones
daily reminder that he is also 200+ years old. Contemporary composers are underrated and we shouldn't constantly dig in the past, but listen to the stuff that concerns us
Angel Rivera
fuck off poly
Andrew Gutierrez
go to bed mozart
Lincoln Scott
Anybody wants to hear a faggot who composes songs about lick asses
Juan Turner
Stop enjoying atonality.
David Campbell
Fuck off you mediocre bitch.
William Powell
>Contemporary composers Are meaningless because of a dead end which was reached by the Western culture almost a century ago: without the aristocracy in the broadest sense, the culture is irrelevant.
Joshua Miller
that happened because with religiosity the actual purpose for music died. Music that has no medium becomes pointless. Maybe we have a new chance in movies and especially in video games. It's no wonder that movie composers are the only contemporary composers that have mainstream success
>Maybe we have a new chance in movies and especially in video game No you do not. You've killed a god, you think you'll have a chance in some games, or moving pictures? You think these tiny pleasurable things will hide the monstrous bleeding wound?
Lucas Gray
>Maybe we have a new chance in movies and especially in video games. Except they're all shit composers.
it's not about religion, it's about the fact that music needs a vessel. In pop music it's 'muh love'. In past centuries it was God. Now it's something else
sometimes there will be better composers. Look at the hype the music of Zelda elicited, music in video games has a lot of attention, so it will be only a matter of time until talented composers will work in that field. Besides, in movies there have been a lot of good composers like Shore, Williams (underrated), Hermann, Rota
Jaxon Cruz
There's nothing more laughable than le wrong generationists but when it comes to classical they are even more ridiculous. They construct the most demented pet theories to justify their youtube-tier opinions.
Jason Stewart
who's a 'le wrong generationist' here?
Owen Collins
ok, then got more jpop-influenced "classical" music? I despise jpop and pop in general but the jpop-influenced version is somewhat more lively. I'll listen to this one tomorrow cause I'm felling sleepy and I know I won't stand 30 minutes. I'm 7 minutes into and already liking it. Based on my short Youtube trips so far I know that I like Prokofiev, Rautavaara, Henry Cowell and toccatas.
The thing is though that movie and video game soundtracks don't truly strive for great music because it's secondary to the movie. The composers aren't composing for themselves or for an audience that will be intently listening.
I think most of the early cinema composers (Churchill etc., Disney composers) were heavily influenced by this harmonic style
Hudson Phillips
I didn't say I was in a wrong generation, quite the contrary. You missed the point completely and yet wrote your bitter nonsense.
Jason Miller
Fuck off, Poly. Go circlejerk to Schnittke.
Lincoln Cruz
this is true to some extent, but there are exceptions: Sergio Leone/Morricone are an exampe for movies. Ocarina of Time is an example for video games, were the music is actually an integrative part of the game. I don't want to say anything about the quality, but there is a chance to expand the collaboration between music and film/game artists
John Cooper
or think about Howard Shore's Lord of the Rings score, which uses the Leitmotif technique of Wagner's partituras.
Morricone (even though a bit overrated) already used Opera-like scores in the 60s, so I think film music being just a filler that nobody really notices is a thing of our generation (Hans Zimmer, rot in hell)
Video games definitely have some of the highest potential ceilings for art, but I think it's pretty unrealistic for it to ever be fully achieved considering the corporate environment in which it exists.
James Lee
there's a high probability that you're right. The problem is the time in which video games emerged. It is capitalism ridden and has no space for the important message of one great artist or a few great artists who work together. A video game or a movie are created by thousands of minds, and in the end it doesn't have a message in the humanistic sense. On the other hand, a symphony by Beethoven was written by only one mind
Mason King
>pleb Grosse fuge >patrician The final to the 31st sonata.
Brayden Sullivan
>Classical composers >Names two baroque composers I see what you're getting at, a simplistic version of music history is that the late baroque period established tonality, the classical era perfected it, the romantic era started breaking the rules, Wagner stretched tonality to its limit, then it all went in a weird direction. Brahms is actually quite conservative for his time, if you want to get a good survey of how music stylistically evolved move from Mozart and Haydn (classical) to Beethoven (late classical/early romantic) to Chopin, Schumann, Mendelssohn, Brahms and other contemporaries (romantic) to Wagner, Mahler, Bruckner, Strauss and other contemporaries (late romantic) to Debussy and Berlioz (impressionist), to Stravinsky, Ives, and Schoenberg (primitivist, modernist, expressionist, and just generally crunchy early 20th century music), to Stravinsky, Messiaen, and maybe some Reich, although I guess it depends on how much appetite for postmodernism you have (John Cage playing cacti is fun and all but just because you make pedantic points about what makes music doesn't mean the music is worth listening to).
Grayson Wood
what about the Hammerklavier fugue?
Tyler Cruz
I think Williams deserves the shit he gets for plagiarizing, but don't think you can argue he doesn't have talent.
If I didn't know the music, I'd guess from 4:00 into the video that Karel Husa was the composer, and there are few twentieth century composers whose brass parts I like as much as Husa's.
Regardless, every child that has listened to the star wars sound track has been exposed to neoromanticism. I feel like a large part of why I enjoy post-1850 classical music as an adult is because I enjoyed William's composition so much growing up.
Adrian Cox
>I can't enjoy music without being told how to feel about it first!! The absolute state of /classical/
Henry Peterson
I actually don't really get that. I logically understand why it exists, of course but as an artist I don't. There's so much the arts can gain from being even slightly linked together, you can see this in the poetic lyrics in some cantatas for example. No need to go full Wagner, just a tinge of the visual and imaginative realms will do
Benjamin Rivera
Not me, mate. I tend to circlejerk to Bach mostly these days
Julian Long
Interesting how the composers get more jewish while the music becomes less musical.
Work your way through Gradus ad parnassum as carefully and methodically as possible. Study scores of the masters, practice for 20 years.
Jackson Butler
At least 10 hours a day, deeply involved in the scene. Done.
Angel Howard
Where do I start if I want to get into composition? I've been training my ear and I think I have my intervals down. I'm just not sure what the next step in my master plan is though.
fuck you, I already have a job. I'm trying to make my life less tedious here, not more
Aiden Evans
go to university / college. Major in composition.
Colton Parker
I already finished school
Brandon Reed
Did you major in composition though?
Thomas Richardson
no, of course not. I don't squander money like that
Noah Martin
impressive intellect
Jeremiah Jackson
So you intend to become a composer yet you went to school to get a major that has nothing to do with the job you want? You call that not squandering money?
Henry Ramirez
I intended to become a hobbyist boyo
Jacob Russell
Read the complete idiot's guide to music theory Download lilypond and start writing
Gavin Davis
Anyone listen to new (2010s) classical music here?
Daniel Robinson
Being a composer isn't a hobby. It's not something you do on the side. You devote all of yourself to it or none of yourself.
Cooper Morris
I know theory and I have Ableton. I just want some exercises. Should I just grind first species counterpoint?
Kevin Phillips
>Poly butthurt about wasting his education
also, pic related
Brandon Hughes
he never said he wanted to be a composer
Logan Sullivan
You don't know much about classical music
Jeremiah Ramirez
Yeah, it's not like most composers take teaching jobs because composing alone is only a financially viable option if you're working in Hollywood with good connections or anything.
Colton Russell
ur mom lol
Camden Jenkins
See
Gavin Reyes
I'll take who is Alexander Borodin for $600, Alex.